So I'm thinking of getting a pistol grip shottie


February 26, 2006, 04:23 PM
I know, I know, you can't hit the broad side of Tarnation with a pistol grip shottie. Right now I have an 18 inch barrel Remi 870 that I LOVE, but I live in a town-home in the city, and my house is very narrow and long, only about 1000SF. If trying to get from my bedroom to the 1st floor of my house, I have to make a couple of REALLY tight corners and a shotgun is just plain in the way. I would use a handgun, but my house is connected to other peoples and those rounds will just zip right through dry wall. So I use #4 buck. If I make it to the first floor, using my stairs as cover, it's about 35 feet give or take to the front door in an area about 15 feet wide.

Any suggestions? And don't say frangible handgun ammo because I know of at least 1 shooting involving Magsafe ammo that the guy was hit 3 times in vital areas but it didn't penetrate enough to kill him or stop him.

Perhaps a carbine? But wouldn't that over penetrate?

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February 26, 2006, 04:35 PM
So what's wrong with the short 870? I can't picture the hallway corners being so tight that you couldn't get around them with a typical 18-20" bbl held at a very low ready position. At any rate, I don't think the PG will help much, unless you practice with it enough to make it not seem awkward.

The #4 buck will probably penetrate a bit too. Is birdshot an option? No practical experience on this, but I'd think it should be relatively effective as such close range, and at least help somewhat with overpentration problems. If someone can absorb full loads of birdshot at 5-10 yards, you've probably got a problem that would only be solved by significantly higher penetration rounds anyway.

Fred Fuller
February 26, 2006, 04:53 PM
Can't see where a PGO will really help you that much more than learning to use a standard stocked gun from the "indoor ready" position would. See the tutorial at for basic stuff.

Going about searching your own place singlehanded if you are sure goblins have made entry is nigh onto suicidal- better bet is to find a place that allows all the Cs (cover, concealment, communications, control) and hunker down while covering the door and waiting for the gendermerie to arrive.

If Tier I operators don't want to do room clearing alone, why should you?


February 26, 2006, 05:00 PM
Lee, I remember a lot of that stuff from training, great site for reminders.

As for hunkering down and waiting...I've got no problem with that except when needing to get to the kiddos room.

I think of it as the lesser of two evils.

Fred Fuller
February 26, 2006, 05:21 PM
I see. That do complicate things.

Dunno your bump-in-the-night plan, and don't necessarily suggest airing it in public here, but I'd sure make it a one-way trip were I you. And have a dog to do the scouting too.

If you want to experiment with the PGO approach, I strongly suggest the SpeedFeed version- it matches the contour of the standard stock's pistol grip and is MUCH more useable IMHO than any of the others I have tried (which doesn't include some of the newer offerings, BTW). I'd also suggest employing a laser on the gun.

I'd offer to let you borrow one but the only one that's here fits a Win 1300...

Stay safe,


February 26, 2006, 06:00 PM
Incidentally that's exactly the grip I was looking at because I figured I could sight align as if there were a stock for shots out to 50 feet.

February 26, 2006, 06:50 PM
Alduro, consider a collapsible stock instead of a PGO approach. I recently installed a Knoxx SpecOps stock (review to be posted shortly), and not only is the stock very compact when in the shortest position, the recoil-absorbing spring is very comforting to my now permanently handicapped back! It makes full-house stomper loads feel like 20ga. low-base target loads.

See here ( for more info on the stock. They also make one with a folding wire stock and pistol grip - see here ( for that one. Either would give you the option of a stock when you need it!

February 26, 2006, 07:15 PM
"They also make one with a folding wire stock and pistol grip "

This is the Knoxx CopStock. I put one of these on a Mossberg 500. The recoil is reduced substantially. The folder does allow one to aim but that wire stock doesn't distribute the recoil as well as a regular stock would...but it is quite manageble.
Knoxx claims recoil reduction of >50%...I cannot quantify that. The best way I can describe the recoil is it feels about like an SKS rifle recoil.

I installed this stock because I had limited space to stash the gun. It does work...I use birdshot or reduced recoil 00 buckshot in my Mossberg.

February 27, 2006, 12:51 AM
Ooh....I adjustable stock. When are you posting a review?

February 27, 2006, 01:17 AM
Alduro, see here (

February 27, 2006, 01:31 AM
See the tutorial at for basic stuff.Lee, that's an excellent page.

Clear & succinct. Photos are worth a thousand words each.



February 27, 2006, 01:45 AM
Thanks Preach...

February 27, 2006, 06:27 AM
I thought I'd add a point about cost. If it's a factor, keep in mind that Cheaper Than Dirt has Advanced Technologies pistol grips for about $12 (last I checked). I've tried all sorts of loads with it installed on my 870, and with standard 00 Buck it's perfectly reasonable. If you're an average male with no physical handicaps then the recoil shouldn't be a problem. Slugs, 3" Buck loads and "magnum" Buck loads are definitely out, though.

That being said, my buddy has a SpecOps stock on his 870 and it is very, very nice.

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