How about something non-controversial.......45 vs. 9mm


April 15, 2003, 02:14 PM
So after all the ruckous we seem to have caused I thought I would start a nice non-controversial thread that won't get anybody excited......

So .45 or 9mm which is better and why.

How about AK vs. AR post your thoughts.

Maybe we should just stick to the weather. How is the shooting weather in your part of the Country/World?


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April 15, 2003, 02:17 PM
hmmm...give me one of each, an AR, an AK, a USP45 and a 9mm USP along with about 5000rnds of ammo each and I'd be happy to test them out :D For that I'd even write up a report for you...

and as for the weather, it is great, just make sure to keep those black rifles in the shade so they don't get too terribly hot.

Oleg Volk
April 15, 2003, 02:22 PM
Is AR with 45ACP upper better than an AK re-chambered in 9x19 for repelling grizzly bears?

April 15, 2003, 02:25 PM
Is AR with 45ACP upper better than an AK re-chambered in 9x19 for repelling grizzly bears?

Actually either is going to hurt when the bear rams the gun down your throat.

Mike Irwin
April 15, 2003, 02:26 PM
How about shaken vs. stirred?

Oral vs rectal?

Less filling or tastes great?

April 15, 2003, 02:33 PM
boxers or briefs?

me, i like boxerbriefs... :D

Andrew Wyatt
April 15, 2003, 02:55 PM
Chest webbing and separate pistol belt, tactical vest, or ALICE harness, which is better? why?

do enfields really have accuracy that is a "cruel joke"?

do mini-14's have group sizes that cover multiple time zones?

how many licks does it take to make a sig rust over?

Nathaniel Firethorn
April 15, 2003, 03:37 PM
And was there a second shooter on the grassy knoll?

- pdmoderator

April 15, 2003, 03:40 PM
Are zebras black with white stripes, or white with black stripes?

Carlos Cabeza
April 15, 2003, 03:56 PM
Uhhh, .45 ACP, mostly hot and HUMID (rusty) and,
What's an AK 47?:D

Steve Smith
April 15, 2003, 04:03 PM
The 10mm is dead.

April 15, 2003, 04:44 PM
Glocks are ugly!:D

April 15, 2003, 05:17 PM
In a world of compromise, hyperbole doesn't!

April 15, 2003, 05:35 PM

I've been waitin' for a chance to use that!

April 15, 2003, 06:00 PM
In a world of compromise, hyperbole doesn't!

If you're going to hold a company's marketing schlock against them, you've got a much richer target environment than just HK.. broaden your horizons! ;)

April 15, 2003, 06:00 PM
Howzabout 57mm?

That's the size of the brass that I bought at Knob Creek (along with a dummy 40mm Bofors shell) to make into a pair of table lamps.

(BTW, I respectfully submit that Bogie's Bunker _is_ on topic, since if I ever have a cop show up at my door asking directions, I'll likely have the whole darn SWAT team camped on my stoop shortly thereafter...)

Those are some big ol' cases - I've cleaned one of 'em, and will take a pic next to the still grungy #2...

If anyone ever sees a pair of camoflage-cover lampshades that'll look good on pair of 18-24" high lamps (with bulb, okay?) let me know about it.

Will Fennell
April 15, 2003, 06:05 PM
Blued Steel or of my all time favorites:rolleyes:

April 15, 2003, 06:13 PM
Double-tap versus controlled pair... :rolleyes:

April 15, 2003, 06:14 PM
Beretta locking blocks
Sig frames
HK firing pins
Glock slide rails
Kimber series II
S&W agreement
death penalty

April 15, 2003, 06:36 PM
Synthetic or real wood?

April 15, 2003, 07:00 PM
If I modify my 1911, and have to use it in a shooting, and I get tried for manslaughter or murder, will it affect the outcome?

April 15, 2003, 07:07 PM
I'll take my old M60A1 with the 105 main, 7.62 coax and the .50cal in the cupola. Oh, and about 450 gallons of diesel, please. :neener:


April 15, 2003, 07:14 PM
MIM parts
Big & slow vs small & fast
Ginger or MaryAnn
Handloads for self-defense
and I can't believe no one's brought this one up yet...
1911 or Glock!

April 15, 2003, 07:22 PM
Well, the Group Industries - Vector Uzi is licensed for both 9mm and 45. The conversion kit for about $200 is a whole lot cheaper than buying a new gun for $3200 + $200 tax stamp. 9mm 32 round mags are relatively easy to find compared to 45 16 round mags so the 45 shooter is usually left using 10 round mags. Big whoop.:(

April 15, 2003, 07:22 PM
and I can't believe no one's brought this one up yet...
1911 or Glock!

Get a Glock. :D

April 15, 2003, 07:24 PM
OK Skunk, now you've done it.

April 15, 2003, 07:51 PM
steyr is a safe autoloader to carry chambered, even though it doesnt have all the fancy schmancy doohickeys the glock has to prevent the firing pin 100%, and should your slide be seperated from the frame by your two yr old sons he-man grip it will discharge. and if the machines parts should somehow fail, it will go full auto on you more often than not.

April 15, 2003, 07:56 PM
which is better? tough choice. why not have both?

Ruger KP95 for my 9mm, HK USP 45 for my 45 :)

April 15, 2003, 07:56 PM
Wow I had forgotten many of them there were.

April 15, 2003, 08:02 PM
Get a Glock and a 1911... then shoot both with an HK. :neener: :evil:

April 15, 2003, 08:06 PM
I've been waitin' for a chance to use that!

I'd call you a sadistic equestrian necrophile but that'd just be beating a dead horse.

April 15, 2003, 08:12 PM
Painting tarantulas is fun!

April 15, 2003, 08:18 PM
^^^ above is irrefutable proof of just how insane runt truly is. she picked up an usambra baboon T with her bare hands.

i like T's, but i would never pick one up like that, knowing it didnt want to be held.

i even tried to give runt some tips, like how to 'gas' the spider to knock it out, or to put it on ice briefly to slow its movements down, but nooooo, shes gotta get all up close and personal with a spider the devil took careful planning to conjure up.

:evil: :what:

edit - dont let none tell you home schooling doesnt work. only tuk me too trys to spill "insane".

April 15, 2003, 08:19 PM
I'm outa' here.


April 15, 2003, 08:23 PM
I love to watch grown men scream like little girls.


Oh, and for the "topic" of this thread...


The story about this giant chunk o' brass is in the old TFL thread found here (

April 15, 2003, 08:29 PM
Runt, what the hell is that, an outdoor ashtray +p+?

Don Gwinn
April 15, 2003, 09:32 PM
Well, it's like this. I went to the gun store a bunch of times, and I found a SIG 220 for cheap. I bought it, and I really liked it. I still really like it. Then I found a USP for cheap, so I bought that too. I liked it, too, but my SIG was my favorite and the USP was just too huge. I'd have kept it, but I wanted something to carry, and somebody had a Glock 30 for trade, so I traded it. And now I really like my Glock 30 and my SIG 220.

Therefore, I like .45 and don't understand the weird fascination with 9mm. After all, surely everyone else has the same needs as me?

April 15, 2003, 10:31 PM
What happened was this. When I got my CPL, I needed a carry weapon, and the USPc .45 was it. Beautiful gun. I had everything I needed. I was happy and all was right with the world. Wrong. While still shooting the .45, I decided I needed a caliber I swore I'd never need. I needed a nine, and I needed a small one. Bought a Taurus PT-111. Nice gun, but not great like the H&K .45. Still not happy. Picked up and handled a Glock 26 and never looked back. Carried my 26 everywhere. Shot so much better than the Millenium, I never shot the Millenium again. So I was happy with my new carry nine and all was right with the world. Wrong. I missed my .45. Decided I needed to go back to the roots of my love affair with .45 ACP, the 1911. My Mark IV was definitely too big to carry (bigger even than the HK) so I had to get a new Kimber Ultra CDP. Sold the Millenium. So now I'm happy again with my .45 and all is right with the world.

But I still like to carry that 9 also.:banghead:

April 16, 2003, 12:24 AM
Treinte Ocho Super!!! Dang it!!!
(Oh, and MaryAnn, of course!) :D

April 16, 2003, 01:15 AM
Runt, how long did it really take to polish that brass?

Oh --45 ACPvs.9mm, umm ,I use both. See my first gun to shoot was a 45 gummit, been kinda hooked since. I'd shoot with others whom had 9mm ammo, whom needed help using it up...good enough reason to me, just being neighborly.;)

Please mister please, wag tail, the look in their eyes, I need a good home whine, bark and I'll be your best friend ...

Before you know it another has followed you home.

April 16, 2003, 02:08 AM
I think spiders are neato too, I have quite a few pet Brown Recluses around the house. Is that case from your ccw?

April 16, 2003, 02:59 AM
45ACP over the 9mm anyday.

I'll keep the AR, thank you very much.

And I don't see why some folks can't go in together and get a guy a gun.

There you go... There's my feelings in a nutshell.

April 16, 2003, 11:08 AM
Who'd win in a gunfight...Yosemite Sam or Quickdraw McGraw?

April 16, 2003, 12:23 PM
Beer vs. Liquor?

George Hill
April 16, 2003, 12:44 PM
Ginger or MaryAnn?



April 16, 2003, 12:57 PM
Pistols- Well I have Glocks, 1911's, and some of them new fangled revolvers. All in .357, 40, and .45. No 9mm, but I do have lotsa brass I have picked up at the range.

Blondes-Brunette's or Redheads?

April 16, 2003, 01:07 PM
FORD OR CHEVY :neener:

Andrew Wyatt
April 16, 2003, 01:38 PM
Ginger or MaryAnn?

MaryAnn is much more desireable, as she 1. still looks cute and 2. apparently knows how to run an M9. (she's a medico on stargate now)

April 16, 2003, 02:38 PM
I can't believe how ya'll are slackin... Two pages and not one person brings up the first thing that came to my mind....

semi-auto vs. wheelgun... :D

April 16, 2003, 02:48 PM
Blondes-Brunette's or Redheads?

redheads, brunettes, blondes, in that specific order. :evil:

tactical? or practical?

April 16, 2003, 09:33 PM
1.Silicone or natural?:confused:
2.Big bullets make big holes, therefore .45 ACP is the way to go! Get yourself a 1911:D

Elmer Snerd
April 17, 2003, 01:10 AM
Paper or plastic?
Cash or credit?
Check or money order?
Buck or slug?
Mac or Windows?
Internet Explorer or Netscape?
Sword or battleaxe?
Polymer frame or metal frame?
AK or AR?
A few big holes, or many small ones?

Watch "Bowling for Columbine" with Michael Moore(and be unable to leave, stop the movie, shut him up, or do anything else to him), or bludgeon yourself into unconciousness with a brick wrapped in a picture of Dianne Feinstein?

April 17, 2003, 01:25 AM
Benelli M1 Super 90 or Remington 870?

April 17, 2003, 02:47 AM
No it is not good unless it is a Glock! HA HA AH HA!!!

Yes, thats it, a Glock! Nothing like a Glock! You can do anything with a Glock! Yes Glock is best and you must have one!

HA HA AHA HA Heee HEEEEEE!!! Yes it must be Glock!


Stop and get a Glock! Glock is greatest! Glock is best!!!

HA HA HA HA HEE HEE !!! :neener: :neener: :neener:

Now where did I leave my meds?;) :D

April 17, 2003, 03:01 AM
Regular or decaf?

Regular for me, thanks. Oh yeah - .45 and AR (even though I have an AK :uhoh: )

April 17, 2003, 06:58 AM
Top or bottom?:D

April 17, 2003, 08:10 AM
Colt vs Smith???

April 17, 2003, 09:56 AM
runt of the litter VS Bridget Fonda(Point of no return)

I do beleive that I would choose runt!!!!!!:D :D :D :D

April 17, 2003, 12:09 PM

For those of you in CO-

As for 9mm or .45...

The answer is a resounding 'Yes!'

April 17, 2003, 12:34 PM
I don't drink, and I just noticed that some booze comes in plastic ?. Sorry , but to me fine Scotch, or any booze in plastic is...well...wrong!

I mean orange juice, I can see-maybe- to keep the kids from breaking glass. I can accept gunpowder in plastic, ...but some things just belong in glass. Plastic primer trays make good coasters....but some things belong in glass. It's to be etched in stained glass somewhere...

6.5 oz Coke [tm]
Good booze IMO

glass or plastic ?

Oh 45 vs. 9mm, Yes I like and use both, prefer the former, but I carry either, or both.

April 17, 2003, 02:51 PM
FMJ -vs- JHP

April 17, 2003, 03:35 PM
Can't lose - 1911A1 vs. S&W M28-2

Can't win - Alan Rock vs. Janet Reno


April 17, 2003, 05:53 PM
Latex or Wörd?

El Tejon
April 17, 2003, 06:11 PM
What controversy??? I carry both.:)

Bruce H
April 17, 2003, 06:31 PM
Rifle ammunition should never be chambered in handguns and vice-versa.

April 17, 2003, 08:22 PM
.45-70 Contender or Marlin Camp Carbine?:D

April 17, 2003, 08:29 PM
.45 acp vs .45 Glock short

April 17, 2003, 10:46 PM

Brunettes. They just seem more....ummm...substantial.

(I am outa range of Idaho redheads and Tennessee blondes, aren't I? )

Ummm...oh yeah guns! 12 gauge or 16 gauge?

yeah, that's the ticket!

Phantom Warrior
April 17, 2003, 11:19 PM
I'd call you a sadistic equestrian necrophile but that'd just be beating a dead horse.

I hate to bring this up, but since his only hitting the horse and not...ummm...I don't think the word necrophile is precisely accurate. You do the math...(or look up the word) :D

*takes a deep breath*

On other posts:
Shaken, oral, tastes great, briefs, tactical vest, white w/ black stripes (I think this is actually true), stainless (matte black is better than either), double-tap, synthetic, neither (beer vs. liquor), the are both probably in their 70s or 80s so you're welcome to them (Ginger vs. Mary Ann), brunettes all the way, Toyota :D (Ford vs. Chevy, I drive a Camry), semi-auto (Get a Glock!), tactical, there are more interesting parts of the body but it would be ungentlemanly of me to elaborate (silicon vs. natural, anyone recognize the movie reference?), paper, cashcashcash (credit=debt), money order, slug, Windows, Internet Explorer, sword (I'm a kumdo guy, so what do you expect?), metal (except for Glocks), AR, bullet placement ;) (a few big holes vs. several small holes), "Bowling for Columbine" (less brain damage, I think...), Remington 870, coffee should only be used to degrease engines (regular vs. decaf), top (of what, I dunno, but better line of sight), Colt, For a date or in a fight? Runt either way.... (runt_of_the_litter vs. Bridget Fonda), plastic, JHP, what the hell are PATRAN, MEDINA (Muslim holy city??), latex and Word?, Marlin Camp Carbine, .45ACP, 12 gauge.

I know it's cheesy, but no one else did it yet.

A few more:

.308 vs. .30-06
Heavy bullets for hunting or light (i.e. 165 vs 180)
Scope or open sights
DA (or DA/SA or DAO) vs. SA

Alright. I'll shut up.

April 18, 2003, 04:03 AM
Ok... I was gonna stay out of this thread but...I'll play.
Mountain vs. Molehill
Gimme a 5" 1911A1 and mags full of .45 "ashtrays".
Of course then my Beretta 92FS would get jealous. Dang!
Then there's....
Nurture vs. Nature
Evolution vs. Creationism
And of course....The BIG ONE....(drum roll please!)
Coke vs. Pepsi
:eek: :p :D
Now, where's the horse I rode in on......

April 19, 2003, 11:30 AM
Battle rifle- .308 or .223?

Handgun- 1911 .45 vs. S&W M-19 .357?

Squad auto- BAR or Bren?

Target pistol- S&W K-38 or 1911?

Lever-action deer rifle- Winchester 94 or Marlin 336?

Big-bore hunting- .375 H&H or .338 Mag?

Hunting deer with a .223- yay or nay?

Assault rifle caliber- .223 or 7.62 x 39?

Close-range pistol use- Sights vs. point-shooting?

Home defense- Handgun or shotgun?

CCW- Small auto pistol or J-frame Smith revolver?

Felons can own guns/vote after serving sentence- yay or nay?

Support-troop sidearm- Handgun or M-1 Carbine?

Sub-machine gun, 2 flavors- M-3 Greasegun vs. Sten, and Uzi vs. MP-5.

Most annoying Kaliforny politician- Dianne Feinstine or Barbara Boxer?

Most annoying anti's- HCI/Brady or MMM?

Worst future president- Al Gore or Hillary Klinton?


Enough! They're starting to get ugly!

I'll have a .45, an AR, The weather's looking nice round here, the .45 AR, shaken, oral, tastes great, briefs, tactical vest, enfields are plenty accurate, so are mini-14's, uhh...3000 if you don't wipe it off, (Sigs can rust?) sure why not a second shooter, white with black stripes, MY 10mm isn't, Glocks are ugly but they shoot beautifully, annamanopoiea (Sp?) beats hyperbole, I like my 40mm lamp, blued steel, double-tap, real wood, gun mods don't much matter, get both, I like spiders too, nice brass Runt!, Quickdraw McGraw, "Liquor then beer, never fear", both, all, AMC, wheelguns, natural please, paper, cash, m.o., slug, Windows, IE5, sword, metal, bigger holes, Rem 870, caffiene is my friend,, I guess., Smiths over Colts, Runt, GOA, Scoth goes in GLASS, JHP's, M-28, can't win?-Chuckie Schumer!, patran and medina? Dunno., Latex or what?, rifle ammo BELONGS in handguns, (Username!) .45-70 Contender, Glock 45, 12 guage, .308, heavy bullets, scopes, DA/SA, mountains, nature, lemonade-soda's overrated.


Zoloft or Prozac?
Barf or rolleyes?


April 19, 2003, 01:02 PM
Which 9mm for Iraqi gazelle?

Andrew Wyatt
April 19, 2003, 02:46 PM
which battle rifle for bathroom clearing?

April 20, 2003, 03:15 AM
45 vs 9mm?!?!

Don't ask me I just spent thirty minutes deciding which handgun to carry while in my Easter Sunday church clothes. 45 vs 9 would probably completely lock up my brain.;)

April 20, 2003, 03:41 AM
Battle rifle- .308

Handgun- 1911 .45

Squad auto- Bren

Target pistol- 1911

Lever-action deer rifle- Winchester 94

Big-bore hunting- .375 H&H

Hunting deer with a .223- yay

Assault rifle caliber- .223

Close-range pistol use- Sights

Home defense- shotgun

CCW- Small auto pistol

Felons can own guns/vote after serving sentence- yay

Support-troop sidearm- Handgun

Sub-machine gun, 2 flavors- M-3 Greasegun, and MP-5

Most annoying Kaliforny politician- Barbara Boxer

Most annoying anti's- HCI/Brady

Worst future president- Hillary Klinton

P.S. .45 sucks. HA HA HA

April 20, 2003, 07:23 AM
Starbucks or Seattle's Best?

9mm or .45? Depends on my mood. I have both.

Usually I just split the difference and take the .40S&W.:neener: :evil:

April 20, 2003, 10:42 AM
If I'm carrying my CCW....9mm.

If I'm trying to knock out an APC...45mm.


Tommythe Kid
April 20, 2003, 07:24 PM
I'm at a tie. I like the feeling of power while holding a .45, but i also like the combination of strength and compactness of a 9mm.:)

April 21, 2003, 12:47 AM
Sword or battleaxe? Isn't that supposed to be; sweetheart or battleaxe? :D

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