Glock 17...


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psychophipps
February 27, 2006, 02:54 AM
My friend has a Glock 17 that has seen some serious lovin'. It's barrel has been reamed out from having so much ammo through it and the magazine release doesn't always, y'know...release when you press it. Of course, he also just offered to sell it to me for $100.
Now, a new barrel will run me about $95 and a new magazine release about $16 + s&h for each part. Not too shabby for an otherwise prefectly reliable weapon with a 10-round and pre-ban magazine. My main issue is that with a reamed out barrel, it shoots about two feet off-target at seven yards, and a bad magazine release; what "hidden issues" might I have to worry about if I were to pick this pistol up?

Any long-term Glockers out there with advice?
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

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LeonCarr
February 27, 2006, 03:21 AM
Please define "reamed out barrel". In my experience to wear out the rifling in a Glock 17 would take SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND rounds fired through it. If it is shooting two feet off target at seven yards...wow. has a certified Glock armorer seen this gun? Sounds more like abuse than actual shooting to me.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

Desertscout
February 27, 2006, 03:33 AM
Unless there is a defect in that barrel, there is no way that it "reamed out". There must be other issues.
What kind of mag release are you getting for $16. We charge $5 for them installed, stock or extended. We also do the oval extended for $25 installed. Are you getting some kind of aftermarket release?

psychophipps
February 27, 2006, 03:39 AM
I was kind of worrying about that, myself. The "barrel", and I use the term very loosely here, has three thin spirals that are actually set into the barrel as it's "rifling". It is otherwise smooth as a baby's bottom. It seems to be an older model that Curtis purchased used himself. I'm basing this unfounded opinion on the low-powered magazine spring that was common back when Glocks first came out.
Of course, it works flawlessly otherwise which is what makes it very tempting to an untrained idiot like myself. Feeds every time there is a round in the magazine. Locks open and closes with the slide release. Smooth shooting besides not being able to hit the green side of a red barn.

Very frustrating...
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

gudel
February 27, 2006, 04:39 AM
It's barrel has been reamed out from having so much ammo through it

It sounds more like too much hillbillied-dremel through it. I doubt the barrel is worn out.

Rockstar
February 27, 2006, 09:56 AM
Like the others, I seriously doubt that the barrel is "reamed out." What I suspect is lots of fouling from years of use with no proper barrel cleaning. I'd get some Sweet's and other bore cleaners and use a little elbow grease and see what happens.

If the barrel cleaning doesn't work, then ship the pistol back to Glock. Your only expense will be the ship-to charges. They'll go through the pistol, including the magazines, replacing any parts that are out-of-spec. If the barrel's "shot out", which I doubt, they'll replace it free.

glocker1911
February 27, 2006, 10:12 AM
When you say the magazine release doesn't when you push it, are you sure it needs a new release or is the mag sticking, binding in the gun. If the release actuall "pushs", it may not be your problem. I also agree with whats been said about the barrel. My worry would be what else has been "messed" with on this gun that you can't see.

psychophipps
February 27, 2006, 10:23 AM
If the barrel cleaning doesn't work, then ship the pistol back to Glock. Your only expense will be the ship-to charges. They'll go through the pistol, including the magazines, replacing any parts that are out-of-spec. If the barrel's "shot out", which I doubt, they'll replace it free.

I really don't need a new pistol, however. I'm a college student with limited disposable income (I need to keep myself in .45 ammo for my P97DC, after all... ;) ) and I simply can't afford to send a pistol back to Glock and get a potential $300+ refurbishing bill. I was hoping that I could grab the pistol for next to nothing, get a new mag release and barrel and call it done.
I'm not certain about the original owner but the current owner is a former Marine and friend of mine. He's a very meticulous person when it comes to his weapons (drill instructors are very good at instilling that) and has taken good care of it since he picked it up a few years ago. I'm pretty sure he ran the barrel through the wringer when it shot for fecal matter the first time.
He actually just wants to get some money out of a pistol he doesn't really like, the action and trigger bother him, so he can pay for his H&K USP .40 Compact (as they have yet to make a decocker-only sub-compact). He'll just trade it in if he has to. Of course, how much can he get for a Glock 17 with a fubared barrel and a crap magazine release?

Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

TheEgg
February 27, 2006, 01:34 PM
Your description of the bbl. isn't clear to me.

Are you sure you are not just seeing the normal polygonal rifling? This differs visually from normal rifling. There are no 'lands and grooves', as it were.

Rockstar
February 27, 2006, 03:14 PM
psychophipps: How'd you get into college? :cool: Did you notice anything in my post about Glock's charging for the refurbishing? Let me put it in plain, easy-to-understand verbage. Glock will repair/refurbish your G17 forever, free, with your only expense being your shipping charges to Glock. Is that clear enough? They'll rebuild any mags that are worn out and replace those that can't be rebuilt. They don't care if you're the first or fiftieth owner.

If you still don't understand, just say so, and I'll try to to do better.

psychophipps
February 27, 2006, 05:57 PM
Glock will repair/refurbish your G17 forever, free, with your only expense being your shipping charges to Glock. Is that clear enough? They'll rebuild any mags that are worn out and replace those that can't be rebuilt. They don't care if you're the first or fiftieth owner.

:eek: No way! That's freaking amazing!!!

Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

PATH
February 27, 2006, 08:11 PM
It certainly is Ollie! But the Glock folks have had very good service for their firearms.

psychophipps
February 27, 2006, 08:17 PM
So would I call them for a gunsmith to send it to or do I just mail/fed ex/ups it to them direct-like once I have the firearm?

Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

Remington788
February 27, 2006, 08:44 PM
I have a 1st generation G17 that the frame cracked on it, sent it back to Glock and they replaced the frame, upgraded the slide internals, put new sights on and touched up the slides finish. All for the grand total of $16.82, the cost of shipping and insurance to them. Just call them and let them know what is wrong with the gun and they will tell you what to do.

Rockstar
February 27, 2006, 09:07 PM
You can go to either FedEx or UPS and ship the pistol with mags to Glock. Just include a note, explaining the problem with the mag release and your observations about the barrel, also asking them to rebuild the mags and replace any parts that need replacing. They'll ship that G17 back to you, with shipping on them.

Ala Dan
February 27, 2006, 09:51 PM
I kind'a doubt very seriously that you (or anyone else for that matter)
has ever worn out a G-17. Those things are like the engerzier bunny,
they just seem too last, and last, and last~!

psychophipps
February 27, 2006, 10:25 PM
Well, I'm picking it up on Saturday for a big, bad Benjamin. :) Since it's a private sale, I don't even have to register it with the state...

US Bank, here I come! Woohoo! :evil: err...uhh... :uhoh:
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

Tecolote
February 27, 2006, 11:03 PM
Send it to Glock and they'll refurbish it for free. The barrel looks smooth probably because of lead build up. You can remove it with JB bore compound. In the unlikely event that the barrel is worn Glock will probably replace it for free.

Kestrel
February 27, 2006, 11:11 PM
Maybe it's Chuck Taylor's Glock 17...

Onmilo
February 28, 2006, 10:09 AM
$100.00,,,, BUY IT!
Even with issues the gun is worth that and once it is repaired i'm betting you will still have less in it than a used Glock from a gunshop sale.

Rockstar
February 28, 2006, 11:37 AM
Psycho: You got a great deal! You'd have a great deal @ over twice that price. Definitely try some elbow grease and some of the solvents/techniques recommended in this thread on the barrel. When you send the pistol to Glock, they like for you to use "G.I." (for Glock Incorporated) on the package, so as not to attract undue attention.

psychophipps
March 5, 2006, 02:26 AM
Just got the Glock 17 from my friend. Never met a man so recalcitrant about a man trying to give him $100. Not his fault due to schedules but I had a feeling that I had a limited time before he realised how much I was taking him for. ;)

The barrel looks fine to me now that it's nice and clean except that the rifling is a lot less pronounced than that of the new '17' I checked out at the FLGS (Friendly Local Gun Store, in case you're wondering). I know you guys are claiming "impossible" on the idea of the barrel being shot out but it's clean now, the rifling looks pretty worn and there isn't any other reason I can see for it to shoot so poorly unless the barrel is warped somehow that I can't see. Heck, maybe it is warped.
The rest looks good to go. Striker is working fine and it shot fine except for accuracy earlier today. Slide has a few worn spots in the finish but it seems good to go to my inexperienced eye. Serious emphasis on 'inexperienced'.

I'll be calling Glock on Monday for the shipping info,
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

Rockstar
March 5, 2006, 12:01 PM
Mark, I don't supposed that it's occurred to you that the accuracy problems might also be due to your "inexperienced" eye? :D Hint: To the "inexperienced" eye, a Glock barrel will appear to be shiney-clean, when it is, in fact, fouled. There are methods that have already been recommended to you for REALLY cleaning the barrel. Might want to try cleaning, prior to shipping to Glock; however, since you got SUCH a deal on that G17, $40-$50 in shipping costs shouldn't hurt you much. Glock will testfire the G17 for accuracy and closely inspect the barrel.

IF you ship to Glock, be sure and send a detailed note about your observations regarding the barrel having been "shot out." Also include the magazines, as they will rebuild them free.

psychophipps
March 5, 2006, 01:04 PM
Mark, I don't supposed that it's occurred to you that the accuracy problems might also be due to your "inexperienced" eye? Hint: To the "inexperienced" eye, a Glock barrel will appear to be shiney-clean, when it is, in fact, fouled.

Excellent observation, actually. I'm not the most experienced person but the people who have also handled and cleaned the weapon prior to it throwing the rounds big-time are 1) the previous owner Curtis, a former Marine, 2) my friend Brude, a former Ranger (who dissed my crap shooting until he tried the weapon himself and it did the same for him) and 3) my friend DJ who has some serious gun barrel OCD. Curtis tried the same steps I did last night (multiple times) and told me, again, upon receipt, "It needs a new barrel."

I ran some Barnes CR-10 through the barrel last night just before I posted. I followed the directions fully and even gave it a good extra dose or two with the soaked patch before I got to scrubbing with the nylon brush. Patches came out clean as a whistle after the second pass; before I even had a chance to use the brush. Brushed it with a soaked brush in three sets of ten times when the instructions said to do one set of ten times. Nothing else came out. Oiled it up, of course, and it's back in the pistol with some Golden Saber 147-grainers.

I have no problem with my own lack of exerience but when three, much more exerienced, people have scrubbed the hell out of it before me... :scrutiny:
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

Rockstar
March 5, 2006, 02:41 PM
Understood! The good news is that Glock will replace the barrel, free, if they concur with your friends' opinions. You'll have mismatched serial numbers, but I wouldn't be too concerned about that!

progunner1957
March 5, 2006, 03:24 PM
For $100, I would buy it and send it to Glock with instructions to "Return to Factory New specs" to correct the dreaded "Hillbilly Gunsmithing." I would guess that might cost around $200, with a new barrel.

Just make sure to tell them, "Call with repair estimate before proceeding" so you do not end up with too high a repair bill. Unless the gun is completely butchered, you could end up with a like-new Glock for $200-300 or so - not a bad deal.

Rockstar
March 5, 2006, 03:42 PM
Glock will repair the pistol free.

psychophipps
March 6, 2006, 01:17 AM
Interesting side note. My 17-round magazine won't drop clear from the weapon when it's loaded with more than 5 rounds. This is probably the "mag release" issue I mentioned earlier that my friend told me about before I purchased the pistol. The release works fine with the 10-round magazine at all times but the old 17-rounder seems to minutely flex under the tension of the spring inside which wedges it into the weapon. Is this still an issue with the newer 17-round magazines?

Thanks for all your information,
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

JohnKSa
March 6, 2006, 02:00 AM
The older hi-caps were actually designed to stick in the gun if there were more than just a couple of rounds loaded. The idea was to prevent you from dropping a mag that still had a significant amount of ammo in it.

People didn't like it so the newer magazines will drop free even when loaded.

Like the rest of the folks, I'm a bit skeptical about the barrel being shot out, but I'm pretty sure that the mag release is working exactly as it's supposed to.

Ok, a quick test for the barrel. This isn't recommended for normal cleaning, but since you're sure the barrel is toast, try this. Take a small screwdriver and try to scratch the inside of the barrel. (You're going to replace it anyway, right?) If you can easily scratch it, it's badly lead fouled and should shoot fine when you clean it. I mean REALLY clean it. A few strokes with a nylon brush (or even a bronze brush) isn't going to do squat to remove barrel leading. If you can't scratch it, then it's clean but someone's abused it very badly and it needs a trip back to the factory for some TLC.

BTW, on the off chance that it is badly lead fouled, I wouldn't shoot it anymore until you get this figured out.

psychophipps
March 6, 2006, 02:15 AM
Good call on the not shooting it, JohnKSa. I wasn't the one to shoot it last time as I got stuck working over the weekend.

And...crap. It scratches. Those lazy GITS! :fire:

Guess what I'll be scrubbing the living heck out of tomorrow after school? :rolleyes:
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

Rockstar
March 6, 2006, 11:04 AM
Mark, don't know if you have access locally to buying a Lewis Lead Removing kit, but that's probably what you need. John was "right one" with his advice about scratching the barrel...kind of like the guy who told you that simply looking through the barrel probably wouldn't reveal lead build-up. ;)

Just a thought...if you can't find the Lewis kit, you can use pieces of those bronze pot-scrubbing pads, wrapped around your bore brush, and saturated with good solvent. Don't worry about ruining the barrel. There's no pliable material that you could wrap your brush with that would ruin that Tenifer barrel!

Braden
March 6, 2006, 05:39 PM
Friend, you got a GREAT deal. As others have said, if cleaning the barrel doesn't help then send it to Glock and they'll fix anything that needs fixing free of charge. They have GREAT customer service.

I bought a brand new G17 a couple of weeks ago ad I STILL haven't had the chance to go shoot it. :rolleyes:

Rockstar
March 6, 2006, 06:23 PM
Mark, Here's a link to the Lewis kit.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=21587&title=LEWIS+LEAD+REMOVER

psychophipps
March 6, 2006, 07:05 PM
So after scrubbing, CR-10, scrubbing, Hoppe's No. 9 powder solvent, and scrubbing (did I mention scrubbing?) the barrel is looking much better, if probably not perfect yet. I can clearly see the polygonal rifling all the way through and follow each individual groove all the way from one end of the barrel to the other when I look down the bore. Not too shabby for 1 1/2 hours with the Bore Snake.

I'm taking a break now because the CR-10, the solvent and the occasional hit with the bristles of my Bore Snake are making my fingertips numb...
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

JohnKSa
March 6, 2006, 08:47 PM
Those lazy GITS!Don't be too hard on them...them's the good fellows who sold you a perfectly good Glock for $100. :D

Rockstar
March 6, 2006, 08:54 PM
I'm of the opinion that, for just about every purpose I can imagine, a good, stiff rod beats the crap out of a limp snake.

psychophipps
March 6, 2006, 10:45 PM
Yeah, well. Be nice if I had a nice, stiff rod to play with, eh? ;) I believe that my status as a student with minimal cash has been previously discussed here. My friend has all the good, non-post shooting maintenance cleaning kit.

Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

psychophipps
March 10, 2006, 10:43 AM
Just called Glock and they say I have a first-year pistol. Seems some of the boys who work there really like having the older guns so there is a fair-to-middlin' chance that they'll be sending me a new firerarm off the production line as a 'trade'. Anywho, they'll send it back updated to current specs and parts and shooting straight at the very least, so I can't complain.

Yeah, the guy I talked to at Glock was jealous about the price I paid, too... :evil:
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

middy
March 10, 2006, 01:18 PM
:banghead:

Some people have all the luck.

Enjoy it. :)

psychophipps
March 24, 2006, 02:24 PM
Glock has had my pistol the last week or so. Any info on how long I can expect my wait to be?

Thanks,
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

JohnKSa
March 24, 2006, 08:35 PM
You could call them and ask. I'd figure on another 2-3 weeks at least. That's purely an off-the-top-of-my-head guess, not really based on any hard information.

Smokes
March 25, 2006, 07:45 PM
I agree with most others - its almost impossible to wear out the barrel on a glock (I've tried - on a G17!). I'm not sure what he did - is it the original barrel or a cheap aftermarket one? Clip release is no problem, and if you say everything looks and sounds good, you might have a deal on your hand. That is with a good barrel, new clip release, mabye a recoil rod while your at it if its had that many rounds through it! Needless to say if ever in doubt take it to a gunsmith for a check up, call it cheap insurance. You'll still come out ahead. -SMOKES-

psychophipps
April 10, 2006, 10:17 PM
Just got 'er back today. :)

Looks like my cleaning job degunked the barrel fine but there was apparently a lot of internal work to be done. They replaced the sights, firing pin assembly, EDP assembly (no clue what this is), extractor to the new one, trigger assembly, slide stop, slide lock, mag catch and refurbished my two mags. Up to factory specs and tested 'OK'. Yes, sir. No, sir. Three bags full, sir.

Now, I just know I'm going to have a blast with it next time I go to the range... :cool:
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

JohnKSa
April 10, 2006, 11:34 PM
EDP is the Extractor Depressor Plunger. Since they say "assembly", that probably includes the spring as well.

My guess is that they upgraded any parts that have been improved and then replaced all the springs and any parts that they figured were subject to wear based on the amount of use they estimated the gun has seen.

I doubt anything really NEEDED replacement but they're pretty good about making a gun's trip to the factory worthwhile. ;)

psychophipps
April 11, 2006, 12:29 AM
Well, the new recoil spring setup is really nice when compared to the old skool one. No more shooting the spring acrossed the room just prior to a full-scale quadrant search with loud, four-letter commentary from me. ;)

They didn't lube the gun worth a damn, though. Dry as a bone besides the barrel...
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

Rob1035
April 11, 2006, 12:43 AM
so you got a working glock 17 for $100 and some elbow grease? awesome:neener:

They didn't lube the gun worth a damn, though. Dry as a bone besides the barrel...

I bet it'll still shoot;)

JohnKSa
April 11, 2006, 12:48 AM
They didn't lube the gun worth a damn, though. Dry as a bone besides the barrel...Doesn't need much lube. Just a drop here and there. If you can see the oil on a Glock anywhere besides the barrel and slide rails, there's probably too much oil on it.
http://glockmeister.com/images/lubing.jpg

http://www.glockmeister.com/glubric.shtml
http://www.f-r-i.com/glock/FAQ/FAQ-clean.htm#Lubricating

psychophipps
April 11, 2006, 12:50 AM
$181.90, to be precise. $100 for the pistol, $61.90 for the UPS next-day saver shipping to the factory and I dropped an extra $20 check in the package for a new pistol box.

Got a cool new Glock keychain and the usual load of instruction books/pamphlets for "free",
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

imas
April 11, 2006, 12:54 AM
What part of the barrel do you lube? :confused: When I clean mine I just put a drop down each rail on the slide and put it back together.

imas
April 11, 2006, 12:56 AM
Thats beautiful I'm now on the look out for any junker glock I can find.

JohnKSa
April 11, 2006, 12:58 AM
imas,

Keep your eyes open for Rugers too--they have the same sort of amazing customer service.

imas
April 11, 2006, 07:52 PM
Thanks thats a great idea

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