How are the KAHRs


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Bravo11
April 15, 2003, 05:03 PM
Looking at a KAHR PM9094. Has anyone had experience with this brand?

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Onslaught
April 15, 2003, 05:12 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18406

;)

10-Ring
April 15, 2003, 05:13 PM
I have been contemplating one as well. From what I've found out, the steel guns are nice, but the poly guns have had spotty reliability. Try a search on the topic ;)

QuarterBoreGunner
April 15, 2003, 08:38 PM
I have an early K40 in blue- several thousand rounds downrange and no problems. I changed the recoil spring as per recommendation at about 1500 rounds and it’s still ticking along.

I understand they discontinued the blue guns because they were having trouble with the finish and that would be my only complaint- the blue/black does not wear well.

Other than being a little bit of a pain in the butt to disassemble (thing is machined to REALLY close tolerances) no other quirks.

Erik
April 15, 2003, 08:59 PM
"How are the KAHRs?"

Sub-compact, reliable, and well constructed.

Traithe
April 15, 2003, 09:25 PM
I've have nothing but good things to say about my P9 and PM9. I had the P9 for over a year now and never had any kind of failures. It has always been a perfect shooter. I bought it after I rented one from my local range and proceeded to put 5 rounds into one hole at approx. 7 yards. I know this my not be a major feat for some of you, but I had never done that with any of my Glocks except a 24C that I recently sold. The one I bought is just as accurate. I just picked up the PM9 a month ago and have put almost 100 rounds through it with no hiccups, and at 7 yards is just as accurate as my P9. Looks like I got a good pair of Kahrs.

Erik Jensen
April 15, 2003, 10:34 PM
I've got an MK40, and I love it! It had a few teething problems when brand new (few times the slide locked back prematurely), but now that it's broken in, it's flawless. took me a few hundred rounds to get used to the short sight radius, too, but now I'm nearly as accurate with it as I am with my 92!


http://www.armyofjuan.us/photos/KahrLeft.jpg

concerned citizen
April 15, 2003, 10:42 PM
I have shot a few kahrs fairly extensivley, a steel k40, 2 mk9's a p40 and a pm9.

All have superb crafstmanship and have funtioned flawlessly.

I do continue to read some negatives on this site though but that has not been the case with the one's I have shot/looked at.

The pm9 to me is the perfect pocket gun.


:)

Greybeard
April 15, 2003, 11:50 PM
Have had no problems with K-9 during several thousand rounds in last 6 years. Just got PM9 a month or so back. 200+ misc. rounds gone in "break-in" period and so far, so good. Like the K-9, PM-9 very accurate for what it is. Loaded, my K-9 went on hip at exactly 32 ounces (same as Glock 17 with 17+1).

PM-9 with 6+1 goes at 19.4 ounces. New ones also come with a 7-round mag, which does allow room for my pinky. There seems to be more demand than supply just now for PM9s. Had to wait a couple of weeks for mine (with night sights). Only saw one PM9 (no night sights) at big gun show in Dallas last weekend. Around $560 as I recall.

I understand that Kahr did have some probs with the addition of the polymer frame guns, but my experience with K-9 was positive enough to sink around $700 (with night sights and sales tax) on the new PM9. ' Still in transition phase to see if/when PM9 may be comfortable replacement for S&W 340 as "always" gun ... Flatter, but heavier ... YMMV.

gbelleh
April 16, 2003, 12:12 AM
I had a Kahr MK40 that I sold last year. It was totally reliable and very accurate. I only sold it because I decided I wanted the 9mm MK9. I actually ended up getting the PM9 instead of the MK9.

My PM9 has been a good little gun too. It had 2 failures to go into battery in the first 200 rounds, but a quick tap on the back of the slide fixed it each time, and I've had no more problems at all after that with over 500 total rounds fired.

It seems Kahr's polymers are more likely to be problematic. The all steel Kahrs are great. If you get a good polymer Kahr, they are excellent little guns. Light weight, compact, reliable. Great little carry guns.

cratz2
April 16, 2003, 12:49 AM
Kahr 9093a (P9 Covert) with Trijicons bought second hand for a very good price. Been 100%. So far, I've put 100 rounds of S&B and 150 rounds of the declassified 124 Gr +P Gold Dots through it. Plus a few odds & ends like Golden Sabers and CorBons. 100% reliable. The Gold Dots will shoot into 2" at 15 yards if I take my time and shoot off the railing of my deck. Couldn't be happier.

http://photos.imageevent.com/cratz2/guns//DCP_2119a.jpg

9x19
April 16, 2003, 01:55 AM
Just won an Auction for a K9 with three mags, holster and the box for $325 delivered.... I'll let you know in a couple of weeks! :D

Tacblack
April 16, 2003, 03:10 AM
I had a K40 and 2 of my friends had the K9's. Great gun but didn't work for any of us. All of us found the trigger relation to the handle to close for our hand size. But no problem with the guns great size wish I didn't milk the trigger when I shot it. Great DAO trigger pull on my K40.

wryan
April 16, 2003, 03:40 AM
I bought a P9 back in December of last year and while it is very accurate and feeds FMJ really well it refuses to feed hollow points. This is after firing 500 rounds through the pistol. It also occasionally fails to pre-cock after firing a shot while there are still rounds in the magazine. I have to rerack the slide to get things going again. If I look down the length of the frame rails I can see that the left hand side frame rail is severely bowed inward. The right hand frame rail is reasonably straight. I called Kahr and told them about the frame rail and they stated that it was within specs. I also told them about the other problems that I was having with hollow points and the failing to pre-cock issue. Anyways they sent Fed Ex to pick up the pistol two weeks ago and I am having a hard time accepting the fact that they think the bowed frame rail is within spec.

mini14jac
April 16, 2003, 08:48 AM
I've got a PM9 that I am getting close to putting 300rds through.
It has a light, smooth trigger.
From 6 yards, I can get all my shots in the "x" ring on a good day.
I have had to tap on the slide to get two Winchester hollow point rounds to feed, but the rest have gone like clockwork.
For the size, power, accuracy, and reliability, it is hard to beat.

As others have suggested, do a search.
You will find a wealth of info.

PCRCCW
April 16, 2003, 10:47 AM
Out of a dozen people I know, shoot with and are just generally friends of the family....Including actual family, who have Kahr guns NONE have had problems and are very very happy with them. Id put Kahr up with the best gun makers regardless of intended purpose or price.
My little K40 Custom would group with my PCR's...which groups with my CZ SA/Kimber.......
Shoot well

12 Volt Man
April 16, 2003, 11:06 AM
Wow 9x19, you stole that! Congratulations on a great deal. You will enjoy your Kahr. My K9 is my primary carry weapon. Great pistols! I remember a while back a big 1911 fan bashing the Kahr company for being associated with the Moonies. Justin Moon is the son of the guy who started that group. This guy said he would never buy a gun from a company that supports the moonies. To tell you the truth I don't know what the moonies do or what they teach. I told this guy that his 1911 was designed by John Moses Browning who was a mormon. He could not believe it. Shut him right down. Pretty funny. I have nothing against the moonies or mormons. Just a funny story.

M1911
April 16, 2003, 12:14 PM
do a search -- there have been many threads on this.

WhoKnowsWho
April 16, 2003, 05:18 PM
9x19: $325? Sick... congrats!

I really like my K40 Covert. Would have liked a Polymer and/or Micro, but the K40 works well with me. Longer sight radius, easier to aim quickly for me. It's easy to hide the longer barrel anyways, it's the butt/grip that sticks out.

ajacobs
April 16, 2003, 08:07 PM
I have 5 with no problems after break in. I have called their customer service to get some parts and they were a pain to get ahold of, which was disapointing. Although I have heard other people have had good experiences with them.

I have a p9
pm9
2 k9 elites
1 mk9 elite

I enjoy them. I have carried the mk9 on occasion and my significant other now carries one of their own.

K40
April 16, 2003, 11:08 PM
Can't go wrong with one of the all steel products.,:D

Sproles
April 17, 2003, 01:00 AM
I have a Kahr K9Elite98 that has been an INCREDIBLE littel gun. I am selling it ONLY because of the fact that I have fallen in love with a great Colt Commander for a price that I cannot refuse.

It all depends on your REAL usage. My fullsize K9 was my ONLY weapon and it could serve more than a "back up" gun or ankle/pocket gun. With 7+1 of 9mm it was a GREAT CCW gun and I felt very comfortable with it protecting me and my family out or at home. AT 1200 rounds I have had ZERO - READ AGAIN - ZERO failures no matter how often or not I cleaned it and no matter what I fed it. She is a worker.

The craftmanship is impecable and she is a real beauty to look at. Night sites and the Elite trigger is what makes it so sweet. the newer Kahrs are all receiving the nicer triggers, but the Elite set up is by far the sweetest. Alittle shorter and smoother.

Good choice in weapon - feel good about buying it and shoot well.

David

XavierBreath
April 17, 2003, 01:08 AM
Kahrs are great guns. Unfortunately, my K40 is now my wife's CCW. I wouldn't hesitate to use a steel framed Kahr as a primary weapon, or as a BUG.

PCRCCW
April 18, 2003, 12:45 AM
Does your wife have a sister? :D
Shoot well

HankB
April 19, 2003, 01:33 PM
The steel-frame Kahrs have a good rep. Not so the polymer-framed pistols.

I had a P9 . . . terrible gun - many things wrong with it. (Trigger wouldn't reliably actuate the striker. Slide locked back prematurely. Trigger pin walked out. Slide wouldn't always go into battery. Etc.)

Kahr tried to fix it repeatedly, couldn't, and ultimately replaced the pistol with another P9, which I immediately traded for a G26. ("Once burned, twice shy.")

The Glock is a tad bulkier, but has yet to jam.

TheeBadOne
April 19, 2003, 03:05 PM
I love my Kahr MK9 and it is the envy of many of my friends. It shares a place in my heart along with my Glock 27 and Coonan .357. Good company.

gau5
April 20, 2003, 05:52 PM
Badone
I owned a Coonan 17 years ago, and regretted selling it. The Coonan set a very high standard of workmanship, fit and finish that I have yet to see since.
Kahr is honoring their warranty and sending a new gun to the dealer to replace the PM9 lemon shooter.
I will deal no longer with Kahr and am staying with the Glock 26.

concerned citizen
April 20, 2003, 08:16 PM
The 26 is a nice piece, although its almost twice the size of the pm-9.

Hopefully you got a good frame...:neener:


only kidding, but they certanly have had there share of issues also.... ;)

denfoote
April 20, 2003, 10:07 PM
I can endorse the MK9 Elite highly!! This is my "mousegun"!!!! :D

gau5
April 21, 2003, 09:52 AM
Concerned citizen
Thanks , I checked the SN range before buying it. It is one of the few e series not on the list.
"EVL"
gotta love that one.
I am getting 3" groups @ 25 yds with all ammo, 5x better than the PM9.

Gordon Fink
April 21, 2003, 01:14 PM
I have experience with two Kahr Arms pistols.

I bought a new K9 Elite 98 that came out of the box with a cracked frame (under the grip panels). I returned it to Kahr for a replacement, which has functioned flawlessly.

My wife bought a used but upgraded MK9. It has functioned flawlessly.

~G. Fink

concerned citizen
April 21, 2003, 02:39 PM
gau5gunner...cool.

I was really just joking :evil:

The 26 is a nice piece, I only wish it was the size of the kahr pm/mk series.

Its a shame about your pm9, mine has been perfect and i love it.

Good luck with your 26 it should serve you well.

Sam C
April 21, 2003, 08:52 PM
I own a Kahr, k9 Elite. I really like this little gun. It is easy to tuck away in my IWH, loves +P's and always goes bang when I squeeze the trigger. It may not be as potent as my 45's, but due to it's small size, it is with me almost always. Rember, the best gun is the one you have with you when you really need it. Sam:)

Sven
June 28, 2003, 02:58 AM
Sounds to me mostly like folks like their Kahrs. Might be joining the club, to find out for myself. PM9, baby.

fastbolt
June 28, 2003, 03:51 AM
Well, Kahr has certainly had its fair share of growing pains, but the steel framed models seem to be favorably mentioned more often than not ...

Of the Kahrs I've shot ... but not owned ... I liked the K40 which belongs to one of the other guys. It balances well, shoots acceptably accurately for its purpose, and has a decent trigger for a DAO pistol. A bit heavy, though ...

I shot one of the new PM9's when one of the other staff brought his new one to the qualification range. Very slim & compact little pistol. Neither the owner or I were unduly impressed with its accuracy, or its recoil recovery and controllability in rapid fire defensive shooting. I could easily shoot a 2" group off hand at 12 yards with the K40 the first time I picked it up, but not so with the PM9 ...

Since the role of this little pistol appears primarily intended for pocket carry-type defensive use, I can only compare it to my 642-1 which fills that role for me. The PM9 weighs a couple or so ounces more, but holds 3 more rounds ... It's slimmer through the slide than the 642's dimension through the cylinder, but I can shoot the 642 more quickly & accurately. So, as a matter of fact, can the fellow who bought the PM9. I've watched him shoot his little J-frame very quickly & accurately over the years, unlike his first experience with his PM9 ...

I'd consider adding a newer production K40 to my safe sometime, if I came across an attractive deal, as it's a nice example of the recent developments in compact DAO pistols chambered for the .40 S&W, and it's a fun compact pistol to shoot. As long as the recoil springs are replaced on some reasonable basis, the one my friend owns has seemed to withstand frequent use without noticeable wear or problems. Then again, he's an avid shooter who shoots a LOT, so I'll probably get a chance to continue monitoring the performance and durability of his K40 ... and borrow it, from time to time.

The other instructor with the new PM9 wasn't as satisfied with the performance of the little 9mm, so I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually switches back to either his J-frame or HK 9mm USP Compact, both of which he's very skilled and comfortable with when shooting ... Sometimes I suspect he forgets he's no longer shooting his sniper rifle when he's shooting on the pistol courses.;)

Detritus
June 28, 2003, 05:15 AM
WOW, first time i've read a thread asking about Kahr that went on for more than a page without someone saying "i refuse to buy fromt eh moonies!!"

of course that's mitgated by the fact that i don't read many threads on Kahr after getting tired of seeing the above phrase on other boards.


still cool :D

Zundfolge
June 28, 2003, 05:53 PM
I love my little MK40. However I've got an itch for an AR15 I can't scratch so I'm selling mine.

This thread almost has me second guessing my decision to sell.



[pimp mode]here's mine --> http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28175 [/pimp mode]

NJ3
June 28, 2003, 09:24 PM
I've noticed something else on my PM9 that has me concerned. I'll post a picture, even though the photo didn't come out too good. Look at the areas the blue arrows are pointing to. Should I call Kahr?



http://members.cox.net/jacksoniii/PM9Crack.jpg

arinvolvo
June 29, 2003, 04:15 AM
:eek: :what: are those cracks? I am not familiar with the inside of a kahr, but from the picture, they look like the beginning of cracks.

Midnight
June 29, 2003, 06:21 PM
Very happy with my P40.

NJ3
June 29, 2003, 08:04 PM
are those cracks? I am not familiar with the inside of a kahr, but from the picture, they look like the beginning of cracks.


They look like cracks, but I'm not sure even when looking at them under a magnifying glass. I wonder if other PM9's have similar marks.

jadesa227
July 1, 2003, 04:05 AM
Hi All,

Would there be any benefit in PM9 owners volunteering the above info so that interested parties in this forum can track problems (or lack of them) with PM9s? It's possible that a discernible "pattern" with the PM9's problems could emerge and we may be able to see if there's a certain S/N range to avoid or to look for.
Furthermore, with a large enough sample, it's possible it may yield some interesting observations over time regarding Kahr's correction of certain documented and specific problems. There could be a production "learning curve" of sorts which Kahr needs to go through with its polymer line. Just a thought


Regards,

John

mini14jac
July 1, 2003, 09:35 AM
I've got just over 600 rounds through my PM9, and I love it.

(Fastbolt,
Don't give up on the PM9.
I've never found a light 2" snub that I could shoot accurately, but then I have never spent much time shooting them either. Since many people say they can be accurate with these guns, I'm assuming the problem is with me, and that increased practice would improve my accuracy.
I suspect that time spent shooting the PM9 will show increased accuracy.
Besides, since you are LE, I'm guessing you have a lot of experience with snub guns. I've always liked them myself. I grew up on old moves, watching awesome shots being made by coppers, shooting from the hip. :eek: )

I don't know the serial number range of my gun, I'll have to check, and I'll look for similar marks.
I don't think they are cracks. I think they are a "raised" area, caused by the steel inserts underneath the polymer.
I expect a gun in this price range to be relatively free of defects, and my gun is. I don't get excited about a small mark in the polymer, as long as it doesn't get worse, or affect the reliability of the gun.
I've had several Glocks, and if I had tried, I could have found a small imperfection in each one.

The more I shoot and carry my PM9, the more I like it. :D

Coot
July 1, 2003, 09:38 PM
I got one of the first PM9s and love it...over a 1000 rounds of various brands and types through it and never a failure. Carries great and fills the niche between the P32 and Kimber Ultra CDP.

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