[Red Tornado]

I found a Swede locally, it's a CARL GUSTAFS GEVARSFAKTORI 1900 and the wood is gorgeous. The rest looks good, but it's still covered in cosmoline. They don't even have it priced yet, but I'm calling this afternoon and I have dibs.

My dilemma:

How do you read the bore condition plate on the stock? Shouldn't that tell me what condition the bore is in under the layers of cosmo? How does this affect pricing?

Please help.
Thanks,
RT

[GTSteve03]

Bore condition is found in the largest wedge of the brass stock plate, with the bore being rated from zero on up. Zero to 1 is ideal, more than that means the bore is starting to wear.

Not sure how accurate that is but that's off the top of my head anyways.

[atblis]

If the gun looks nice, go for it.

[Trebor]

Don't worry about the stock disc. I've read that the disc markings were not always updated before the rifels were surplused out anyway, so the marking might not reflect the true condition of the bore in any event.

The Swede's took care of the rifles, never used corrosive ammo, and sent rifles in for depot level maintainence on a a regular basis. I've yet to see a bad Swedish Mauser.

If the rifle looks good, even if you can't check the bore, and the price is decent, grab it. Swede Mausers have pretty much dried up.

[hillbilly]

I am a Swede fan.

I have owned two (one of which was stolen from me, those bastards).

In all my years of shopping for Swedes, I have never, ever, ever, seen a bad bore on a Swede.

I've seen slightly-less-than-pristine, but I have never seen a "bad" bore on a Swede.

Get it....now........before I find it and buy it out from under you.

hillbilly

[Red Tornado]

Thanks guys, that's what I was after. If the price is decent, I'll probably grab it.

Hillbilly,
I think you're on the wrong side of the state to make it here by closing time. :D If I decide against it, I'll pass you the info and you can have at it.
RT

[Red Tornado]

BTW,
The prices I found online looked to be $200 - $250ish. Does that sound about right? :confused:
RT

[hillbilly]

Hey, do zap me that price.....if it fall through, that is.

But then again, I've already got a very nice one, and I'm about to plunk down a chunk of change on a case of 6.5X55 ammo........

But here's the thread with my Swede.

Bubba did "refinish it" but the refinishing was done with great love and respect.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=132212&highlight=Swede

[Red Tornado]

A Hundred bucks!!! :D :D :D There may be something very wrong with it, but I'm getting it anyway. I'll be checking around for ammo sources tomorrow.
RT

[jagdpanzer347]

You sir, are a thief !!!!!!!
-jagdpanzer

[hillbilly]

$100?????

Is that out-the-door, tax and everything?

You will burn!

Enjoy the heat.

hillbilly

[Red Tornado]

No, $100 was the sticker price. OTD with a box of Federal SP ammo was $128.49. They didn't have any FMJ, so I'll be internet shopping tomorrow. I'm feeling quite happy I finally got one of those deals that I always hear about.:evil: <--(that's me burning....and....loving it!)

The "something very wrong with it" is apparently the bore. It's full of cosmoline, (unless that's 1/8 inch of rust :eek: ) but the rifling looked strong. However, the stock plate had triangles above the 1, 2, and 3 on the small wedge, and over the 9 in the large wedge. So I'm thinking it may be kind of shot out. (I'm sure it'll still outshoot my Mosin) Anyway, I figure the wood, the action, and the bayonet (yes, it came with bayo) are worth the $100, even if it's minute of barn. (I'll make you a great deal, Hillbilly. :evil: )

BTW, Hillbilly. That's a beautiful rifle you've got there. I would have mentioned it in my last thread, but I was running out the door. I'm sure you understand.;)

Thanks for all the help and suggestions.

Now, any ammo recommendations?
RT

[cracked butt]

If you don't buy it, PM me with the shop's phone number and address and I'll buy it. ;) Seriously. Edit: nevermind, it looks like you bought it, congrats :)

I wouldn't worry too much about the stock disc. If the bore was worn out while in the hands of the swedish, the stock disc would have been removed and the hole filled with wax indicating that it needed a rebuild.

in the disc, there will be a wedge that looks kind of like this:

2 3 4 5
9 0 1

There will be a punch mark above one of the numbers which indicates the groove dimension in mms. Most of them are goind to be marked in the bottom row indicating 6.49, 6.50, or 6.51 MM all of which would be ideal. I'm heard of rifles marked on the '2' but I've never seen one or a rifle marked with a bigger groove diameter for that matter.

The skinniest wedge looks something like:
1
2 3

With a mark over one or more of the numbers. When a rifle was rebuilt, it started without a mark, when it was issued the 1 would have been marked. 1-3 refer to varying degrees of barrel erosion/corrosion. I haven't heard or seen a very good description of what level of erosion represents each number, but even barrels marked as '3' it would be difficult to discern any loss of performance or visually see any damage without a borescope. A shot out swede barrel will still be in better condition than any brand new russian mosin barrel ever made.

The largest wedge on the disc has to do with sight corrections between the round nose and spitzer ball ammo the Swedes used. For the most part, that section of the disc was not used and often range decals or plates were afixed to the stock to give range corrections for he different ammo.

[ReadyontheRight]

WOW! Great pick up. Congrats! Especially with a bayonet!

You will definitely need to post before and after pics and a range report.

And offer some sort of sacrifice to both the accuracy gods and the jealousy titans. I'm betting that's going to be one accurate rifle when cleaned up.:D

[loose cannon]

aak aaak aaaaaakkkkkkk 100bux for a sweede?yep theres gun theivin going on out there. prices run a low of 200 to a high of 350,samcos selling BARRELED ACTIONS for 300 right now.as of my call last week they had 2 m96s
and a few 38s left.

last december i walked away from a m94 carbine in excellent for $450 later while doing some research i found them selling for $900 where they could be found that is.:cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

sweede family for those who dont know,,,,,
m1894 carbine mostly german made 17"barrel stocked to the muzzle
m1896 long rifle german and sweede made(oberndorf mauser,carl gustav and huskqavarna(yep they do chainsaws and lawn mowers too)29"barrel
m1938 short rifle sweede made only 23"barrel(carl gustav and huskqavarna)
m1938/1896 short rifles made out of long rifles by rebarreling and restocking
mostly kept the straight bolthandles of there "former m96 selves"
m1941 sniper rifle specially selected m96 with qd mounted scope and bent bolt handle(beware of fakes as this one breaks a grand in price)
there are other small numbers of variations.

i like sweedes does it show?

[Red Tornado]

Thanks Cracked Butt. So the 9 is actually good, that's great. But apparently it was back in for service a few times since there's a punch above the 1,2, and 3. When I get it cleaned up and out to the range, I'll let you know how it does. Unfortunately, my range won't open for another month or so. I guess I'll have to just clean it over...... and over.......
RT

[IV Troop]

Can anyone show me some pics of their Swedes, and things to look for?

Where do you guys find them?

Thanks.

[rangerruck]

if you are gettin a 6.5 swede for 100 bucks, you are underpaying by about 200 bucks. that is a killer deal.

[cracked butt]

here are two of my favorites:

1899 Oberndorf 96
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/brimic/DSC00073a.jpg

Another 1899 oberndorf 96 converted to a M41B sniper.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/brimic/Picture012.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/brimic/Picture013.jpg

[JNewell]

I've never seen or even heard of a Swede with a bad bore. Bet yours is fine when it's cleaned out. Let us know. At what you paid, you can even afford to have the rifle re-barrelled and be $ ahead.

[roo_ster]

Good for you!

I don't begrudge a man a good deal. Best C&R deal I got was a FR-8 a year ago for $125 in Excellent+ condition.

[Red Tornado]

I'm still kind of giddy, and I just found out the my range is going to be open this weekend if the weather is nice. Fingers crossed.

I'm kind of looking at this deal as karma making up for my $110 Mosin 91/30 that barely holds minute of silhouette. :banghead:
RT

[IV Troop]

Very cool pictures

[bromdenlong]

I paid $100 for my M96 at Big 5, but that was 9 years ago. It has 5 different serial numbers on it, and the stock is definitely a beater, but it shoots just fine and I love it. It's a 1908 Carl Gustav. No bayonet. I had a chance to buy a flash supressor a few years back for 10 bucks, but I dithered. I wish I had gotten it just to protect the barrel threads.

[pete f]

maybe ten years ago, I bought a dozen swedes from century intl for 69.95 ea. hand picked. all short rifles, all matching, all with armory hang tags on them. this was before rem and winchester started to make ammo again and i was buying it from brazil. back then no one wanted them because there was no ammo. Of course this was also when you could buy NIB norinco SKS for 59.99 at Wally world and $49.95 for hand picked at sarco and century.

[loose cannon]

bromdenlong;flashiders and thread protectors are still available from sarco.

flashiders are $11.50 muzzle thread protector caps are $6

samco the outfit who imported the lions share of the swedes has them as well but at slightly higher prices.

[JohnKSa]

The Swedes were VERY picky about the condition of their bores. My guess is that your "3" will look perfect and shoot very well once you get all the cosmoline out of it.