A warning regarding Austin TX


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Drizzt
March 1, 2006, 12:42 AM
I'm doing some contract work over at Dell, and I was looking through their safety webpage today (they still haven't figured out what I'm supposed to do), and I noticed a list of the advisories for Dell employees travelling to the different sites. Here is the advisory for Austin Texas.

# Visitors should avoid the east side of Austin, located across Interstate 35, due to the threat of crime, including violent crime associated with gang violence.

# Numerous bars and clubs are located in the downtown area along 6th Street, which is closed to vehicle traffic on weekend nights. This is a very popular area on weekends, especially among local college students. Intoxicated individuals are prevalent on weekends, and small fights and skirmishes are not uncommon. More serious violent acts occur occasionally. Visitors should be aware that criminals frequent side streets in this area. There have been several carjackings and robberies in and around pay-for-parking lots in the area, and in a number of cases, criminals have approached their victims while they are returning to their vehicles. Visitors should refrain from parking in lots beneath Interstate 35 in the downtown area. Parking lots located slightly south of the downtown area are somewhat safer, but visitors should always park in well-lighted areas.

# Women should exercise additional caution in public parks at night.

# Guns are prevalent in the the state of Texas. As such, visitors are advised to avoid antagonizing others, especially when driving in vehicles.

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asknight
March 1, 2006, 12:59 AM
Haha, good advice. All citizens should always be respectful and proper, when possible. :)

Kim
March 1, 2006, 01:09 AM
I think it is funny. Dell tells employees about crime, gangs. But did you know Dell is anti-gun and supports gun control.

Taurus 66
March 1, 2006, 01:46 AM
LOL, I just completed the following city searches for Walmart, KMart, gun shops, and Dell too. All of the pins on every map were west of I-290.

Ala Dan
March 1, 2006, 03:38 AM
I don't plan on any trips to Austin, TX anytime soon thank you very much~!;)

71Commander
March 1, 2006, 06:23 AM
My next move is to northeaster Tennessee. Texas isn't in my future.

Maybe they will be a warning in some company advisory about some cranky old man who lived in the north, now residing in Johnson City area. Been know to carry a gun or two on occasion. Don't play well with others.:p

auschip
March 1, 2006, 07:52 AM
I think it is funny. Dell tells employees about crime, gangs. But did you know Dell is anti-gun and supports gun control.

Citation? This isn't the old story about Jack Weigand, is it?

El Tejon
March 1, 2006, 08:33 AM
*kicks rocks*

But the east side of Austin has all the best Mexican restaurants!:( Anytime I see chickens in the middle of the road, I know there have to be great restaurants there.:D

Guns are prevelant? Well, if I see a wild gun running down the sidewalks of Austin, I'll be sure to notify John (or is that Bubba) Law.

The only concern I had in Austin were the Attack Grackles and that drunk red head chic at the Iron Cactus that wanted to tell me her life story.

beaucoup ammo
March 1, 2006, 08:43 AM
..which is Dell's home base, has more gun packin' yups per square foot than SugarLand! As for downtown, I just park my butt at the Four Seasons out on the balcony and watch the bats fly out at sun set while I down Shiner Bocks.

Come to think of it, I've seen some of the bats packin' as well!:O)

Take Care

Onmilo
March 1, 2006, 08:53 AM
I lived for three years in Austin.
Everybody knows the East side isn't the place to be, if you don't, you learn quickly.
6th street has some great nightlife and it isn't any more dangerous than a hundred military towns I have passed through.
Keep your wits and practice good commen sense and you won't have any issues.
Why ANY woman would be cruising a public park in the middle of the night is beyond comprehension to me,,,,,,

I think somebody got the possible road rage gunfight issue mixed up with another little Texas town called Houston.

Brian Williams
March 1, 2006, 09:00 AM
My BIL works for Dell and he goes Hunting and Fishing a lot. I do not know about the other big-wigs of Dell but he has some nice guns and a nice deer lease.

Double Naught Spy
March 1, 2006, 09:22 AM
The Dell stink seems to be continued rehashing of the issue with the gunsmith. On top of that, Dell doesn't allow employees to carry at work, at least not those who aren't in security.

While checking for information, I found several links noting that Dell is anti-gun because they won't allow legally carried guns (people with CHLs) in the workplace. I found this interesting as Dell is a company on private land like most other companies in Texas. As such, companies like Dell have the ability to allow concealed or open carry by employees in the work place without the need for having CHLs for those individuals who are not restricted from possessing guns.

When viewed in this light, it becomes apparent that ANY business located on private property that does not allow open or concealed carry by individuals no restricted from possessing guns would have to be considered anti-gun. Similarly, if said businesses require employees to have a CHL before allowing them to carry, then those businesses are also anti-gun because of mandating the CHL restriction.

So, how many companies do you know about that allow concealed carry or open carry at work for those individuals who are not legally retricted by law from possessing guns?

The closest I can come to this is knowing of two in Texas, both being gun businesses (one is a gun range and the other is a gun shop), and they don't just allow employees to carry, but require it as a condition of employment. In Oklahoma, I know of one employer who requires his employees pass the OK CHL requirements (for which he reimburses the employees for the class after successful completion) that he basically uses as the confirmation of lack of restrictions for possessing firearms and then requires his employees to carry while at work as well.

TheEgg
March 1, 2006, 11:58 AM
On a clear day, you can actually see Texas from Austin.

Sam Adams
March 1, 2006, 12:28 PM
Guns are prevalent in the the state of Texas.

I'd be very disappointed if they weren't. Oh, and they're "prevalent" in most other states, too. BFD - the guns don't load, aim and shoot themselves.

As such, visitors are advised to avoid antagonizing others, especially when driving in vehicles.

An armed society is a polite society.

Robert Heinlein

DarthBubba
March 1, 2006, 12:49 PM
Hey the rest of the towns around Austin Don't refer to Austin as the Blue Pimple on the red A$$ of Texas for nothing.:evil: :evil:
As to the Dell issue I can tell you that they have a lot of cranialrectalitus at that company and if you want to complete your contract period just do your job and keep your mouth shut unless you want some less than choice assignments. I found in my time there that they are not interested in anything but implementation of the latest management fad from socialist Europe. Meaning yet another useless layer of paperwork in order to get the simplest of repairs to the facility done. I worked for them on contract for two of the longest years of my life and I felt like a wrongly damned soul released from Hell when it was over.

Enjoy,
DarthBubba:evil:

dawgtraxx
March 1, 2006, 12:58 PM
the only Dell i have out here in podunk (Bergheim,Texas) is the one that i shot out in the back ,sittin' on top of the washer and dryer that made me mad:cuss:
(washer flooded my house)...the only trips to Austin I take is to the Saxet fun show,anyone going to the San Antonio show this weekend?...also Texas thunder indoor range is having thier preopening event Saturday..sounds like a firearm type o weekend!!!

db_tanker
March 1, 2006, 01:04 PM
'bout the only time I see Austin is when I am heading up into the hill country...Fredericksburg or Inks Lake or such...I have always felt that Austin has a very good live music venue...


Dell makes it sound like there are running gun battles, bar brawls and such all the time...everyone knows thats HOUSTON! :D


D

Erich
March 1, 2006, 03:05 PM
I'll be in Austin for a wedding the weekend after this one. Looking forward to it. My visits to Texas are always very nice - although I understand that Austin is sort of on the frou-frou side for Tejas.

PlayboyPenguin
March 1, 2006, 03:08 PM
I do not know if Dell is actually anti-gun or not. They have denied it and it all seems based on one mans accusations. But this is just one more reason to be an "APPLE PERSON". :D

Rouguerunner
March 1, 2006, 05:20 PM
# Visitors should avoid the east side of Austin, located across Interstate 35, due to the threat of crime, including violent crime associated with gang violence.

Why is it the east side of most cities have always had this characteristic?
i.e , East St. Louis,New York's Lower East Side, London's East End, East L.A., Montreal's East End

Erich
March 1, 2006, 05:58 PM
Not the east side of 'Burque! Or Tucson, for that matter. :)

GEM
March 1, 2006, 06:22 PM
Hey, I'm going there in two weeks. People have guns! Horrors!

:eek:

torpid
March 1, 2006, 06:28 PM
Hey, I'm going there in two weeks. People have guns! Horrors!
Not "people"... Texans!
And don't you forget it!

(don't mess with Texas)

:)

Standing Wolf
March 1, 2006, 06:36 PM
Guns are prevalent in the the state of Texas.

If I didn't live in Colorado, I'd live in Texas.

Infidel
March 1, 2006, 06:49 PM
If I didn't live in Colorado, I'd live in Texas.
Ever look around in South Fork, CO? All the license plates are from Texas.

SomeKid
March 1, 2006, 08:20 PM
Is Texas still one the most restrictive states for carrying in the country? Sure it is shall issue, but dang, huge load of restrictions.

TheDutchman
March 1, 2006, 09:12 PM
Dell is not anti gun. They have some very well known Gun customers. Dell is a very stressful work environment and there is not need to carry in the work place thatís all. BTW Mike Dell is a very conservative Republican

cambeul41
March 1, 2006, 09:53 PM
Bad things happen to good people even in nice places.

Sometimes I am protected by my gun (Okay , I protect myself with my gun) sometimes I protect my gun by having it with me rather than leaving it in my car.

I don't go dangeous places except gas stations, convenience store, and the like.

Some places you obviously don't need to carry defensive weaponry, right? Like in churches, right? A woman was killed in a church in Detroit this past Sunday. She certainly didn't need to carry, did she? A student said the that any clergyman who permited guns in his church was crazy. He was corrrect right? If it was the womans time to go , it was her time to go, right?

What say you now?

Kim
March 1, 2006, 10:31 PM
Well I am glad I was mistaken. Espically since I bought a new Dell computer a few months ago. All that mental anguish I went through when I gave them my hard earned money was all a waste. I feel better now though.:)

chas_martel
March 1, 2006, 10:33 PM
Two things.

One, I know of many, many, many businesses that allow CHL by
employees. I've not been prohibited from carry at work by
any employer since the enactment of CHL in Texas.

Two, why is there the perception there are many restricted places
in Texas? The list where you can't carry are: bars, INSIDE schools,
jails, courts, while voting. That seems like a fairly short list to me. We can
carry in post offices, any govt owned or leased building (that is not a court)
and church.

As to the places that post the prohibited sign, I can name only two
in North Texas: Baylor hospitals and Grapevine Mills mall.

jaysouth
March 1, 2006, 10:39 PM
Can't say anything about Dell in Texas, but Dell in Nashville shuts down five time a day so their muzzlemz can prey to the right direction.

If you are non muzzlem, you are prohibited from displaying anything of a religious nature in your workspace. Nothing like diversity in the workplace.

Cowbox always worked for me.

mordechaianiliewicz
March 1, 2006, 10:41 PM
I remember a while back reading some company that set up in Utah was banning employees from being armed in their cars while on company property. Of course a big stink was made.

I think the problem is not enough tech companies that are pro-gun. :) So, here's my call. Someone, make a computer/software/e-services/it company which is pro-gun, and advertise for help to get pro-gun employees.

When the best pro-gun specialists move on to this new company, policies will change. :cool:

Waffen
March 1, 2006, 10:50 PM
The Dell campus in Round Rock has a sign on the door you badge into "No firearms on the premesis" I find this amusing considering it's also in braile. It's not a 30.06 sign however.

Farnham
March 2, 2006, 12:56 AM
Two, why is there the perception there are many restricted places
in Texas? The list where you can't carry are: bars, INSIDE schools,
jails, courts, while voting.

The place I work at in Texas is also restricted. Lackland AFB. Anyone figger out why the Second Amendment doesn't apply to Federal land?

Y'all think if I pointed out that the sign at the gate isn't a "real" 30.06 sign that I could get away with it?

Yeah, me neither.

S/F

Farnham

jason10mm
March 2, 2006, 08:43 AM
You also can NOT carry inside a post office. That's Federal territory! You can carry in the 24 hour lobby of some POs, but the place where the employees work is "protected" :rolleyes:

FWIW, Dell offers their EPP (employer preferred program) to all military with almost no paperwork or verification. Scored me an additional 12% off my laptop. Ain't much, but it is nice.

News Shooter
March 2, 2006, 08:51 AM
Sure, it's got its problems like every city. Too much crime, too many left-over hippies and terrible traffic. But it is still Texas and easily the most beautiful part of Texas. The music scene is incomparable, the climate is perfect, it has one of the best gun stores in the country, McBrides. There's hunting, fishing, shooting, Austin City Limits.....anything you want.

I don't understand why people who don't live there enjoy bashing something they don't understand.

HankB
March 2, 2006, 08:59 AM
Why ANY woman would be cruising a public park in the middle of the night is beyond comprehension to me,,,,,,Perhaps she's a member of the oldest profession? . . . visitors are advised to avoid antagonizing others, especially when driving in vehicles.People who try to start trouble with strangers who may be armed are fools, so road ragers are fools by definition . . . and I don't care what a fool thinks of me. So on those rare occasions a would-be road rager tries to start something with me, I smile, shrug, and wave, letting him think I'm apologizing for whatever it is he thinks I did. If I have to use lethal force to protect myself I will, but I'm going to be DARNED sure that I don't do anything to escalate the situation to that point.

BTW, not everyone in & around Austin - AKA Moscow on the Colorado - is a pinko left wing moonbat. I live just west of the city, and for a time before they shifted the boundary lines, my Congressional rep was Ron Paul.

chas_martel
March 2, 2006, 09:01 AM
You can carry in the Post Office. I challenge any to post the relavent code prohibiting you from doing so?

The Fed laws says you must obey all state laws in the post office.

As for carry on DOD property. Sure, you can't but what does that
have to do with Texas law relative to other state carry laws? No
carry on DOD property is the same in all states. The comments
I keep hearing are about Texas laws relative to other laws. I'd like
to point out one big difference, in my understading at least, is
carry in restaurants. Isn't it true that many state prohibit that?

DJW
March 2, 2006, 09:06 AM
If you think the climate is perfect then you probably don't suffer from allergies. Come and enjoy cedar fever. You will really like the ice storms as well. Come and enjoy sitting in your vehicle from 0700 to 0900 w/out moving 30 ft. Come and enjoy sitting in your vehicle from 1500 to 1900 w/out moving 30 ft. Come and enjoy property taxes that escalate 15% annually. Come and enjoy the recent california transplants who are rapidly bidding up property prices just like they did at home. But, some of the mexican restaurants do have decent food.

PlayboyPenguin
March 2, 2006, 09:27 AM
You can carry in the Post Office. I challenge any to post the relavent code prohibiting you from doing so?
Here in Oregon and Washington we cannot carry into a post office. Post offices are govt. buildings and as such weapons are prohibited. In fact if you go into one of the grocery stores or gas stations that have the postal annex in them you cannot carry unless the postal part has it's own seperate entry. I am not sure if that is a state law or a federal law but it is one they stress very strongly when you take your course and get you permit. :)

thatguy
March 2, 2006, 10:05 AM
The warnings about crime would apply to any city in America. The gun warning is ridiculous. More guns equals less crime. On not antagonizing people, should you do that if guns aren't prevalent? Antagonizing people sounds pretty rude to me.

elliost
March 2, 2006, 11:34 AM
I live and work in the Greater Austin area and my currenty employer does not have a prohibition on carrying. There is however, a draft employee handbook which will preclude weapons on the premises. No one knows if or when that handbook will ever be published.

I have encountered 1 30.06 sign at a Taco Cabana @ Mopac and Parmer (for those of you familiar with the Austin area). The only other signs I have encountered are those which state the property owner or occupant's postion but which cannot be used to prosecute similar to: In order to protect our employees and provide a safe environemt for our customers we do not allow weapons or firearms and will prosecute violators to the fullest extent allowable under the law. I usually ignore these, since the worst that can happen (that is if somehow someone determines I have a weapon that has not hppened yet) is that I'll be asked to either disarm or leave.

Does anyone else carry in the Post Office?

Drizzt
March 3, 2006, 10:41 PM
Well, I live here, so I'll be more than happy to bash it for those who don't. My big complaint about Dell, is that they do not allow you to even have a firearm in your personal vehicle in the parking lot. I don't feel they have the right to say what I can and can't have in my personal vehicle. When I enter their building, yes, but not in my car. In TX, a man's car is his castle, dangit....

GruntII
March 4, 2006, 01:40 AM
You also can NOT carry inside a post office. That's Federal territory! You can carry in the 24 hour lobby of some POs, but the place where the employees work is "protected"


The CFR/Federal Code is rather ambigious on this. IT appears from reading the law/reg those lawfully in possession my carry. There is a good peice on this at The Gun Zone. I carry in my PO and keep it concealled. I mad the decision a long time ago that my life was important to me. I don't go where i can't carry besides court houses. If I didn't work as a VA cop I would never darken their doors because of the no guns policy. I don't go to states that do not honor my Alabama Pistol Packing License as my local Sheriff calls it. I simply refuse to give money to places that refuse to recognize my Creator endowed , constitutionally affirmed rights.

gunsmith
March 4, 2006, 06:49 AM
visitors are advised to avoid antagonizing others, especially when driving in vehicles

So does that mean if your in NYC where the opressed ones may not carry guns it's ok to antagonize drivers?

TheDutchman are you aware this is a pro gun forum?
what is this "need" you speak of? you can assure me that the thousands of people who dell have in their employ would never act in a dangerous manner?
just because you are not allowed to carry a gun somwhere (like NYC for instance) doesn't mean some criminal will obey the law.
Dell does not "need" to disarm it's employees either.

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