Can you let friends borrow your handgun ?


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S&W 910
March 2, 2006, 03:26 PM
Can you let a friend (non-crimanal ,not a convicted felon) borrow your handgun ?

if he is pulled over and tells the police he has a friends gun,can i get in trouble or lose my concealed weapon permit ?

thanks for all responses

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PlayboyPenguin
March 2, 2006, 03:30 PM
I let friends borrow guns all the time. At the range with me standing behind then. I would never let someone take my gun with them outside of my supervision. Unless a situation where they felt their lives where threatened. This is just personal ideology though. :)

PinnedAndRecessed
March 2, 2006, 03:30 PM
When it comes to borrowing guns, I have no friends. Don't want any. And any friend of mine knows better than to ask.

MrMex
March 2, 2006, 03:33 PM
WOW, no friends? Maybe discretion is better than saying no friends, sure there are some that are more trustworthy than others. I would have no problem with letting a couple of mine borrow my firearms but not all and family, of course.

I'd say use your best judgement of the person and if there is any reason to not, then don't.

MechAg94
March 2, 2006, 03:36 PM
I think you had better make sure he will not use it illegally and he can possess it legally. You might catch some liability if something goes wrong as well.

I can't think of any friends of mine who I would trust who don't already have guns. My brothers and my Dad I would let borrow no problem. I have shot with each of them and trust them.

Amish_Bill
March 2, 2006, 03:43 PM
Depends on the state you're in I'd have to say.

In States where you can transfer ownership of handguns without FFL intervention, you should be good to go. Where you have to run handguns through a dealer or have a purchase / possesion permit or other similar beaurocratic oddities, you'll have to research your state laws about loans vs transfers.

Myself, in a few days I'm getting two pistols back that have been on loan to a friend for a month or two.

choochboost
March 2, 2006, 03:52 PM
I don't know if the law allows it but I have done it more than once. Two of my LEO friends have let me borrow their guns - a Beretta Cougar, and a Glock 30. Another friend (not a LEO) let me borrow his Ruger P95. But I don't know if I'd let someone borrow mine.

Border
March 2, 2006, 03:53 PM
I'd let my good friends borrow my guns in a heartbeat! What, you have some gun that once belonged to Wyatt Earp or something?! Never favor the material over the spiritual. Legally, in MA, if they have the right card, the can borrow the gun I believe.

HankB
March 2, 2006, 03:56 PM
State laws vary, and may well limit what you can do along those lines.

I have only a few friends (plus a few of my relatives, other than my immediate household) I would loan a firearm to.

I have a number of other friends who are trustworthy from the standpoint of not misusing the firearm, but AFAIK they don't have enough "gunny" experience for me to be comfortable with loaning them a firearm.

f4t9r
March 2, 2006, 04:01 PM
Thats like borrowing a mechanics tools, it is just not going to happen.
Loaned a hunting rifle once and that was a big mistake.

Sistema1927
March 2, 2006, 04:06 PM
I have a couple of good friends that I have loaned weapons to, and have borrowed from them as well. You have to know them real well.

ball3006
March 2, 2006, 04:32 PM
Never....................and, I have been asked to do so............They are not that expensive, go buy your own.......chris3

Car Knocker
March 2, 2006, 04:37 PM
There are no federal laws precluding loaning or borrowing firearms, other than those laws that generally restrict possession. State and/or local laws would determine whether one could legally loan or borrow a firearm.

SMLE
March 2, 2006, 04:48 PM
I wouldn't be willing to call them a friend.

Lou629
March 2, 2006, 04:51 PM
[SIZE="2"]About 10 years ago i was asked by a former girlfriend to borrow one of my handguns because of a security situation. The details would take a novel, so i won't go into them here. At any rate, all i could think of at the time was that she was more likely to use it than not. I told her that this was a little more serious than she might've given proper consideration to, and that i wasn't prepared for the kind of liability that I would likely have encountered with the LEOs here in NJ if she actually shot someone with it, or even threatened to. I spent the best part of the following year 'sleeping-over' @ her place as a sort of built-in, armed, security guard.

I could not, in good conscience, just give her a gun, and advised her to get a permit and i would be glad to help her pick & buy one of her own, etc., etc., if she still felt the need once the permit was issued. This turned out to be the one time that i found myself in complete agreement with the "cooling-off-period" that the initial 60-90 day permit application process takes here in NJ.

PinnedAndRecessed
March 2, 2006, 05:07 PM
Can you be sure your friend will be absolutely trustworthy with your handgun?

We're not talking about something innocuous, like a book.

We're talking about something that lawyers and judges generally despise.

What if said friend loses the handgun? What if he's not quite as careful as you? What if the handgun winds up in the wrong hands?

What if the handgun winds up in a murder? What if the murderer leaves the handgun at the scene?

What kind of hassles do you think might be in store for you? Especially in an antigun state like NJ or **********?

Like I said, if we're talking about lending handguns, I have no friends, and even if they knew about my handguns, would know better than to ask.

U.S.SFC_RET
March 2, 2006, 05:23 PM
If you value your firearms never let your friends borrow them. If you choose to do so you run the risk of those firearms experiencing neglect. Of course you could learn the hard way like some of who already have.

M2 Carbine
March 2, 2006, 05:25 PM
The only gun I won't/can't loan to a friend is my M2 Carbine.

I don't think many people know what a friend is.
There are friends and there are acquaintances.

You may have a lot of acquaintances but you will be lucky to have a couple friends.

If a friend of mine came to the house and said I need you to give me your M1 Garand, I'd ask how much ammo do you want.:)

Amish_Bill
March 2, 2006, 05:29 PM
Would you loan a friend a hand tool? A lawnmower? A car?

Yes, you have to be prudent about who has access to what, but it's all on a continuum of appropriateness.

It also sounds like many of us are mis-using the word 'friend' to mean people we see every now & again or people we don't know or like much. If you know your friend and have faith in them, loaning them your car, house or gun should not be this huge, impossible thing that so many are saying it is.

engineer151515
March 2, 2006, 06:01 PM
Can you let a friend (non-crimanal ,not a convicted felon) borrow your handgun ?


Sell it to him for $1.00 Face to Face (if legal in your state). Signed receipt.

No question of ownership. Something "undesirable" happens - not your gun.


If he's a real buddy, he'll sell it back to you for the same $1 when he no longer needs it.



The above is not to be confused with legal advise.

Personally, I do not loan guns other than letting known friends/family shoot at the range with them. In a dire situation, I would loan to my immediate family (wife, stepson, daughter). But, since they have their own personal defense guns, that scenario has never arisen.

Camp David
March 2, 2006, 06:35 PM
Too dangerous today, in my opinion, to loan a gun...

To family members of course, to anyone else no.

It's just a legal reality of life today!!!

Jubei
March 2, 2006, 07:07 PM
The only time that I've loaned out a gun was when my running buddy wanted to borrow my P22 to teach his (then) girlfriend how to shoot. He's one of maybe 3 people I would trust to watch my back. He brought it back cleaned and unharmed.

Anyone else can go and get their own.

Jubei

tom barthel
March 2, 2006, 08:23 PM
If a friend cinvinced me of the need for one of my guns, I would give it to that friend. My friends mean FAR more to me than ANY of man's laws. I would help my friends and even strangers if "I" felt that person needed my help. I am the sort who would have helped a fellow Christian in France in the early 1800s. I don't flaunt the law but, I will not turn my back on friends.:)

fletcher
March 3, 2006, 11:38 AM
In NC, yes. (At least in Wake County. A 'loan' is not viewed as a transfer according to the Sherrif's office, so it's OK)

Lupinus
March 3, 2006, 12:22 PM
legal? yeah

smart? probably not

The-Fly
March 3, 2006, 12:31 PM
in my state (Colorado), you can loan a firearm to anyone who's qualified to own a gun (aka, no crooks, nutcases, etc). If a TRUE friend asked to borrow one of my guns, I'd do so in a heartbeat.

Rockrivr1
March 3, 2006, 12:31 PM
I have a friend who's heading to the Police Academy and the department he was hired at carries Sig 229s. He doesn't own one, but I do. He asked if I'd take it to the range when we went and I let him use it for the time we were there. When we were leaving he offered to take it home and clean it for me and get it back to me the next time we got together. Well we meet up every couple weeks and for whatever reason I was not very comfortable with someone else having one of my handguns for that amount of time. I told him not to worry about it and that I'd clean it. I guess his offer to clean it would of technically been borrowing it. I'm sure he would of used it during the time to practice and I have no problems with others shooting my handguns. Just I wanted it back in my safe and not someone elses.

To many things can happen now a days to take the chance of losing a permit if something happened. The permit was hard to get in the first place.

Hawkmoon
March 3, 2006, 02:12 PM
IANAL but my view is that once a firearm passes out of my direct control, a "transfer" has been made. I have wondered about this with regard to Alaska. I want to visit friends there, and I can't carry a handgun through Canada. I don't want to deal with the red tape of trying to fly with a handgun, so my choices are to either borrow one of his, or ship one of my own handguns to me at his address, carry it while there, and then ship it back to myself at home.

I was under the impression that borrowing constituted a transfer, so I was gearing up to ship a pistol to myself.

gt3944
March 3, 2006, 02:30 PM
How can I put this in a nice way???
No...NO...no...nO

Rockstar
March 3, 2006, 02:36 PM
Pinned: How many of your close friends are lawyers and judges? ;)

JJpdxpinkpistols
March 3, 2006, 02:59 PM
Would you loan a friend a hand tool? A lawnmower? A car?

Yes, Yes and Yes.

Considering that I have 3 friends in this world. Three tried and true friends, all of whom I have know for over 1/2 my lifespan, the answer is Yes. I would loan a friend my gun, ammo, cleaning kit and all. I would probably ask what they were planning on shooting at, tho...I have several kinds of ammo...don't wanna be shooting wadcutters into bears, or using a slug as an HD round in the shotgun.

LAR-15
March 3, 2006, 03:25 PM
In North Carolina you need a pistol purchase permit to transfer a handgun to any other person or coporation.

I assume this also covers the casual transfer at the range.

LiquidTension
March 3, 2006, 03:32 PM
I have a few friends that I'd loan a weapon to. One of my best friends I wouldn't, but not because I don't trust him. Due to his living situation, people that he doesn't know well are in and out of his house sometimes. Him, I trust; them, I don't. Come to think of it, of the people that I'd trust with my weapons, none of them have a way to secure one. So at this point I guess no, I wouldn't loan a gun to a friend.

gezzer
March 3, 2006, 07:10 PM
When you live in a FREE STATE you can!

Others who don't can't, when you do you may Vote with your feet to a Free State.

When you stay you have chosen to be subjected to their tyranny, please don't complain.

gulogulo1970
March 3, 2006, 07:54 PM
I've done it. I'd do it again but it depends on the friend.

Some close, responsible friends, it would be no problem. Some others well, no thanks.

akodo
March 3, 2006, 08:43 PM
my brother moved into a crappy apartment building where the main door didn't lock, and the apartment door was paperthin, I lent him my only handgun at the time, a taurus model 66 357, and in turn borrowed a makarov from a good friend of mine.

When my cousin, whose parents lived in the big city, as opposed to the rest of us who were living in the country at the time, took firearms training, he did it with an old mossberg boltaction 20 guage.

When I took 3 freinds out shooting who had never been shooting before, I borrowed two different .22 handguns to supliment my own collection.

When I was away at college, I borrowed a LC smith 16 guage and an old sears/robuck over under 20 gauge so my roomate and myself could go hunting with a buddy who had a cabin 2 hours away from campus.

Nothing wrong with borrowing IMHO. Now, they are right that you many have to worry about getting it back in pristine condition, but then, I've always had access to guns that were more tools than show things. The old barn shotgun or the back of the pickup beater, or whatever.

PinnedAndRecessed
March 4, 2006, 12:33 AM
Some of these guys know whereof they speak.



http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=169455&highlight=ffl+transfers

gunsmith
March 4, 2006, 06:11 AM
of very few people I would loan my gun to, all of them have firearm experience and can afford to replace it.
but they all have their own firearms anyway.

Firethorn
March 4, 2006, 11:01 AM
Legally: Yes

Personally: Very, Very Difficult. I'll let people shoot them, but they come home with me.

Sleeping Dog
March 4, 2006, 01:18 PM
In North Carolina you need a pistol purchase permit to transfer a handgun to any other person or coporation.

I assume this also covers the casual transfer at the range.


Same in MI, need the green inspection ("we don't call it registration") card. I usually ignore this at a range, letting someone shoot a handgun, but it's probably illegal.

ctdonath
March 4, 2006, 01:31 PM
Depends on the state.

NY: no. You can't even, legally, let anyone else TOUCH your guns - even your spouse. If that serial number isn't on your permit, you're not permitted.

GA: yes. Here ya go, clean it when you're done, don't do anything stupid/illegal.

What state are you in? Check www.packing.org for details.
- Some require nothing.
- Some require a permit to own any gun.
- Some require a permit to own a specific gun (by serial number).
- Some require a permit to carry concealed.
- Some have combinations & variations of these.

The Real Hawkeye
March 4, 2006, 01:53 PM
Can you let friends borrow your handgun ?

Can you let a friend (non-crimanal ,not a convicted felon) borrow your handgun ?

if he is pulled over and tells the police he has a friends gun,can i get in trouble or lose my concealed weapon permit ?

thanks for all responsesIn States that do not impose a legal prior restraint from doing this, you may do so, however, civil law may hold you liable for civil penalties if a jury determines that you had prior notice that the person to whom you lent your pistol was a potential danger to others, i.e., a reasonableness standard will be applied to your judgment in lending your handgun to that individual.

The Real Hawkeye
March 4, 2006, 02:05 PM
I lent a handgun to my nephew for a hunt we went on together. I don't know if that counts, because we were together the whole time. As for lending guns in general, I decide on a case by case basis.

Kentak
March 4, 2006, 03:02 PM
I would loan a friend a gun to use while shooting together, where I could tightly supervise what he/she was doing.

To loan a gun to someone to take out of your immediate control is negligent and stupid. If anything unfortunate happened, you would very likely be held criminally, or civilly liable.

K

Graystar
March 4, 2006, 03:58 PM
That depends on the state. In most states firearms are simply property. There's no registration or licensing of their possession. Basically, if you are in possession of it then it's yours (or to whoever you believe owns it.)

In New York State handguns are registered so I couldn't loan any of my guns to anyone, except to another licensee while at the range (an explicit exception stated in the law.)

crazed_ss
March 4, 2006, 04:44 PM
Would you loan a friend a hand tool? A lawnmower? A car?

Depends on the tool
Yes
Nope


I'd never let my friend "borrow" a gun. If he wants to shoot, we can go to the range.. if he needs a gun, he can go pay 500 bucks, wait 10 days and get his own gun.

Guns are expensive and friends do stupid stuff. I wouldnt want to risk my gun being taken if the friend decides to tote it in his waistband.. I'd mostly be scared that it'd be used in a crime and I'd be responsible.

Rockstar
March 4, 2006, 08:35 PM
I've given guns to a couple of friends. I don't believe I'm subject to any liability for doing so.

offthepaper
March 4, 2006, 10:36 PM
You know right from wrong. Hopefully the requesting party knows and acts accordingly. But in the end, You gotta go with your gut instincts and stick by them. The requester will have to accept the decision and not harp about why, or try to sway you.

The Real Hawkeye
March 4, 2006, 10:51 PM
I've given guns to a couple of friends. I don't believe I'm subject to any liability for doing so.You are. If, for example, you loaned a car to someone who didn't know how to drive, and they killed someone, you'd be liable for damages. You knew, or should have known, that they didn't know how to drive. Same kind of reasoning applies to firearms.

carnaby
March 4, 2006, 11:32 PM
If a TRUE friend asked to borrow one of my guns, I'd do so in a heartbeat.As long as he knows how to use it. I have a couple friends (not related) whom I'd loan anything to at any time.

Rockstar
March 5, 2006, 03:07 PM
Hawkeye: The Really Real Hawkeye wouldn't post bad analogies on the internet! You're WAY off-base. Guess again, or get a FL lawyer to explain it to you! :p

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