New firearms technology- good or bad?


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hkmp5g17
March 3, 2006, 02:58 PM
So fellow shooters-

would you prefer to see more "advanced" firearms designs or would you rather see old favorires resurrected.

I'd like a little of both.

Modern stuff I'd like to see- more caseless/alternative ammo, revolvers with ejector rod at he top of the barrel, pump shotguns with the mag tube over the barrel(like the russians have) a bullpup semi auto shotgun like the old Hi Standard- except with rails and upgrades and Maybe a Savage or Remingon Precision Rifle with a straight pull bolt.

Classic stuff- Colt Mustangs, detective Specials- heck a lot of Colts actually, HK P7 and P9, Various Iver Johnson pistols/Rifles, the BAR, and the list goes on...

In general I'm interesed in the newer hi-tech stuff.

How about you?

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Azrael256
March 3, 2006, 04:22 PM
I think caseless ammo is a really neat idea, and I would like to see more of it. Of course, somebody would immediately want to ban it because it wouldn't leave an empty casing at a crime scene (not like a revolver does anyway, but y'know). I find the idea of using very small amounts of high explosives to propel a bullet a little bit frightening, but it sounds really cool and could produce some very interesting weapons.

I would also like to see somebody developing a liquid propellant. I read that the dream for the next generation of artillery systems would include liquid propellants that can be easily metered out by a computer. I don't know just how feasable or effective it would be, but I think it would be really cool to be able to go from a light target load to a magnum load by turning a dial.

I would also like to see somebody (anybody want to go in on this?) start a company dedicated to making high-quality reproductions of old guns. I don't mean Ruger making a SAA-pattern .357, but a company that specialises in old guns. I could see doing variations on a theme, like a SAA/Walker hybrid so you can shoot .44Mag from a Walker frame. All of this would be the primary focus of the company as opposed to a sort of novelty section next to the new guns. I can imagine that licensing issues could eat you alive, but with all the classic names in American guns being chopped up and thrown to the market, you could probably work out something.

Thefabulousfink
March 3, 2006, 04:41 PM
I'd also like to see new technology in old designs, how about a breaktop d/a revolver that could handle .44 mag?:)

Gun Wielding Maniac
March 3, 2006, 04:57 PM
I'd like a service cartridge in a standard rifle caliber that can penetrate the SAPI plates presently being used by everyone including our enemies :fire: Screw the flashlights and caseless ammo.

Maxwell
March 3, 2006, 05:02 PM
Caseless ammo was a tantelizing new technology, Id like to see more of that.
No more brass cluttering the table when I reload a revolver, or hot metal flying down the back of my shirt :eek: .
It would also be popular with hunters, less crap to carry and worry about leaving behind.

Of course, somebody would immediately want to ban it because it wouldn't leave an empty casing at a crime scene

Most of those people currently think the brass casing travels with the bullet anyway. If you move fast, it could be in production before they figure out theres a difference. :rolleyes:

LaEscopeta
March 3, 2006, 09:03 PM
...pump shotguns with the mag tube over the barrel(like the russians have) a bullpup semi auto shotgun like the old Hi Standard...Sounds like the Neostead shotgun (except for the semi-auto part):

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh08-e.htm

http://users.iafrica.com/n/nj/njj741t/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeoStead_2000

This is new firearm technology I want to see.

PlayboyPenguin
March 3, 2006, 09:17 PM
I am a tried and true revolver fan so I prefer the older more "cowboyish" styles. I do see a place for both though. The CX-4's from Beretta are pretty sweet and the fact they had them on "Battlestar Galactica" is a good selling point. :)

Fletchette
March 3, 2006, 10:37 PM
I'd also like to see new technology in old designs, how about a breaktop d/a revolver that could handle .44 mag?

+1! I have an old Webley .455 that I love. With new materials a .44 mag (or even bigger!) should be workable.

Dionysusigma
March 3, 2006, 10:48 PM
I would also like to see somebody (anybody want to go in on this?) start a company dedicated to making high-quality reproductions of old guns. I don't mean Ruger making a SAA-pattern .357, but a company that specialises in old guns. I could see doing variations on a theme, like a SAA/Walker hybrid so you can shoot .44Mag from a Walker frame. All of this would be the primary focus of the company as opposed to a sort of novelty section next to the new guns. I can imagine that licensing issues could eat you alive, but with all the classic names in American guns being chopped up and thrown to the market, you could probably work out something.
Uhhh... hey Azrael--there's Uberti, and they're already doing that. :o
http://www.uberti.com/

And here's a gun I wish to God Almighty they'd make--
http://mpmuseum.org/ww1/equipment/colt1911gm.jpg

No skeletonized hammer or trigger. No extended beavertail grip safety. No high-profile sights. No checkering.

A plain-old, true-to-form M1911. Not M1911A1, but M1911. You want custom, go with Les Baer or someone else; but if you want the original, the real pistol as JMB intended it to be, go for this one. The originals are impossible to find and afford, respectively.

LOST SOUL
March 3, 2006, 10:53 PM
New is always good. I'd like to see some new ago stuff. you know something totally off the wall space gun.

PlayboyPenguin
March 3, 2006, 10:54 PM
Uhhh... hey Azrael--there's Uberti, and they're already doing that.
You bastage!!! Why did you have to show me that link? Now I have to have that Cattleman's Birdhead and the 1875 Frontier. Anyone know how thiese revolvers are quality wise?

Fletchette
March 3, 2006, 11:07 PM
Another gun I'd love to see: a modern version of the BP HiPower.

Polymer frame, larger ejection port with simplified barrel/slide locking (a single block lug like on a Glock), larger paddle-type safety. Same single action without any fancy internal safeties. Perhaps a little shorter barrel/slide like a "compact model"

Don't change the shape!

GrammatonCleric
March 4, 2006, 12:45 AM
I'd like to see my 10-shot .45LC wheelgun become a reality.

Azrael256
March 4, 2006, 02:08 AM
Anyone know how thiese revolvers are quality wise? I hear tell they're pretty darn good. I've been drooling over the Walker kit for a couple of months now.

Chrontius
March 5, 2006, 12:36 AM
what about a LeMat in modern chamberings?

I want that high-standard thing made into a conversion kit. That, a Neostead, and a Jackhammer would make for a nicely-rounded next-gen shotgun collection. (Not sure where the Serbu shorty fits in there; it's a last-gen design, but modified into something wholly different...)

Flechette: That Webley can be converted to fire .45acp, if you like.

cracked butt
March 5, 2006, 12:59 AM
I would have really liked to see the Reminton Electronix rifles become more widespread- precision bolt action rifle that is electrically primed. Seemed like a good idea, but the rifles were very expensive and the ammunition for them nonexistent.

HanksterV
March 5, 2006, 02:08 AM
Uberti does top quality stuff. Have both a 1858 Remington and a 1873 SAA colt copy and both are well fitted, finish is great.....and that SAA in .357 is the gun I hit best with!! Accurate little bugger! I carry a CZ75.....but do better with the six shooter! !

MinScout
March 5, 2006, 03:31 AM
I wonder if we'll ever see "Firestorm" technology for the average shooter; Electrical impulses launching the bullet rather than powder and primer. That would be interesting.

Taurus 66
March 5, 2006, 04:55 AM
Better yet, the micro electronics (and whatever else gizmos) inside the gun would be capable of superheating a small chunk of metal and sending a thin molten stream (.25 solid to .05 stream) down range at 3,000+ FPS. The barrel would not be made of steel, but rather, an invisible magnetic field. The power required would be enormous, but then that's what the future's for - to figure things out.

LiquidTension
March 5, 2006, 08:13 AM
Phasers. I want phasers. Not the stupid Norelco looking things from Next Generation, I mean the Phase Pistols from Enterprise - at least they still look roughly like guns.

Other than that, some type of hand-held rail gun would be nice. Hypervelocity cartridges = very flat trajectory, magnetic propulsion = no recoil. Cool.

chopinbloc
March 5, 2006, 11:26 AM
magnetic propulsion = no recoil.

sorry, but no joy on this one. can't have something for nothing - action/reaction and all that. just because the forces involved are invisible doesn't mean they don't exist. the magnetic field pushes on the projectile and therefore pushes the weapon in the opposite direction.

ribbonstone
March 5, 2006, 11:39 AM
Few thoughts.

The direction that caseless ammo has so far taken will be the end of reloading...and once the ONLY supply of ammo has to be from the factory, control of that ammo is one election from being govenment controled.

(Besides...we've had a form of caseless firearms for most of the history of shooting...muzzle loaders.)

Some of us don't care much for the "Euro-trash" style of gun making, some do....I'll take the lines decided by function, caring more about how a gun shoots than how it looks.

I've learned that plastics, pressed parts, and certain alloys are acceptable... undobtably they keep production costs down, but it's debatable if those savings are passed on to the consumer or if they just equate to larger profits along the supply chain.

stevekl
March 5, 2006, 09:41 PM
I appreciate new safety technology, like hammer blocks and whatnot for the Marlin level actions and Ruger single sixes. Grumpy ol' contrarians don't like them of course but i'd rather trade 1/70th of a pound of trigger pull for not having to carry an empty chamber under the hammer.

LAK
March 6, 2006, 03:56 AM
Depends on what you call "advanced" firearms, and what are true technological improvements. If you mean new technology in developing stronger, harder, tougher steel alloys etc, improved ways to precision fabricate, fit and finish parts - that is all well and good (although the tendency to total robotics in much manufacturing does not bode well for those currently employed).

Interfacing electronics with mechanical devices in the case of firearms is a big step back IMO. It increases complexity and will reduce reliability in otherwise proven reliable designs.

The item in the photo posted by Dionysusigma sums up my own prefences rather well.

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http://ussliberty.org
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roo_ster
March 6, 2006, 11:09 AM
More imaginative use of materials.

1. Smaller-than-I-frame revolver in 9mm. Not just a shorter frame, but a smaller cylander with less mass/material. With a break-top action. Maybe something similar in .32mag or .32ACP.

2. More break-top revolvers. A modern Webley Mk IV on the big end of the scale that can handle .44mag & .45ACP. Smaller break tops for .357mag/.38spl.

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