THR blocked on US Army computers


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Aikibiker
March 4, 2006, 07:46 PM
It has been a while since I was able to visit THR. I have been doing contract security work on a US military installation and stuck with using the Army's internet through the MWR. Their webfilter blocks THR and every other gun website you can think of. I am afraid the modern Army clasifies guns in the same category as porn and gambling.

I am using a friend's computer at the moment. He has a laptop with his own wireless connection so I will not be able to see this site again until i go home on vacation in a few weeks. I hope everything is going well here and God bless you all.

To make this firearms related I am issued an M16a2. Playing with it has changed my mind about the AR series and I will be buying an M4gery while on vacation. Who is making a good one these days?

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rbernie
March 4, 2006, 08:02 PM
Their webfilter blocks THR and every other gun website you can think of. I am afraid the modern Army clasifies guns in the same category as porn and gambling.The Army doesn't - the commercial software that they use does. And remember - most site filterings is less about security and more about conservation of bandwidth than anything else.

fantacmet
March 4, 2006, 08:22 PM
There are several ways around this. Most filtering software can be beat simply by entering in the IP address. If this is not possible then a simple conversion to of the IP address to binary form then entering in the binary form of it is possible. If you would like to know how to convert the IP to binary I would be glad to post it for you. It's really simple, as I had a VERY hard time with it until it was explained in a very simple and straightforward manner then I was like oh ok it is simple. If you'd rather I can pm you this information as well. Which would probably be better so if anyone wants to know how to do it since it's not firearm related but computer related please pm me for the information. Mabe THR would allow me to post a sticky concerning this so people who are blocked from viewing this website simply because it speaks of firearms can still view it.

Rev. Michael

Hacker15E
March 4, 2006, 08:25 PM
It's blocked at Moody AFB, too.

CAPTAIN MIKE
March 4, 2006, 08:44 PM
WHY oh WHY fer-cryin-out-loud would the military block access to THR or any other firearm related site? It seems counter-intuitive, counter-productive and a damn shame.

Can'thavenuthingood
March 4, 2006, 08:57 PM
Because civilians run the show. The anti gun type civilians.

MWR is a money making pork barrel employment machine. If you want something to suffer a slow bleeding death, give it to MWR.

Any firearms sold on these base's?

Vick

ctdonath
March 4, 2006, 08:59 PM
Bring it up to superiors as a business issue. If you're in the business of weapons (and the Army certainly is), surely you should have access to sites that discuss weapons.

I - as a programmer - would have a fit if my employer cut off access to computer technology discussion sites.

Farnham
March 4, 2006, 09:07 PM
It's blocked at Lackland AFB, too. Along with Rock River Arms, surplusrifle.com, and any other site dealing with firearms. They're all filtered out as "Mature" or "Online Sales". Best Buy is okay, but Rock River Arms is "Online Sales". All forums are blocked as "Chat". :banghead:

Most of the useful computer boards are blocked as well, thanks to the "Chat" filter.

I find it kind of amusing until a server does something crazy, and when I Google the error, all the answers are on forums that are blocked by the "Chat" filter. :rolleyes:

S/F

Farnham

gudel
March 4, 2006, 09:29 PM
so taxpayers pay tax so that you can dick around on the internet at work? :rolleyes:

thumbody
March 4, 2006, 09:54 PM
so taxpayers pay tax so that you can dick around on the internet at work?
I believe even .gov employees get breaks.

thumper723
March 4, 2006, 10:04 PM
Or are stuck with only.mil computers for months on end. I can access THR when I am ashore, but on the boat the SWO's block it.

That being said, most online sales sites are OK on Navy ships, since many use it to send gifts home.

rudolf
March 4, 2006, 10:08 PM
Try entering http://209.51.144.70/ . If they only filter the name, this should work.

fantacmet
March 4, 2006, 10:31 PM
Ok I've gotten a rather large response on the binary conversion so, since Rudolf posted the IP address to here, if they block the IP as well, then just try the binary conversion. Because of the response I made a web page specifically for y'all, and tried to put it in simplest terms for those who have no experience whatsoever.
http://www.geocities.com/redneck_chevy_psychopath/binary.html
There is the URL. If entering in the binary equivalent doesn't work, then they are blocking by a completely different method and aren't using any filtering software, they are hardcoding the restrictions, and the admin is a jackass.

Rev. Michael

BigRobT
March 4, 2006, 10:47 PM
Hey, Fantac, if they use the scientific view of the calc built into Windoze, it will do the binary conversion automatically. I used to be able to do that stuff in my head, including octal & hex, but since it's built right into the calc, why not take advantage of it?? Just enter it in decimal, the switch to binary, it's really that simple :what:
:D

PS, I don't quite grasp how the binary conversion thing works as an IP address to make it work in IE

Nightcrawler
March 4, 2006, 10:49 PM
Really? Huh. THR wasn't filtered out on the MWR computers on Camp As Sayliyah (http://www-qa.arcent.army.mil), in Qatar.

telomerase
March 4, 2006, 11:01 PM
Soon Skynet will have all of these (http://www.bostondynamics.com/dist/BigDog_Feb-26-2006.wmv) it needs... then it won't need confused young men anymore.

It will probably let you read THR in the disposal camps.

YellowLab
March 4, 2006, 11:29 PM
NMCI does not block it.

The civilains that run the military networks are retards. Low end techie scum that couldn't find a *real* tech job.

The network where I work is so laggy and broke that getting work done is actually an uncommon occurance.

EDS has even admitted that its thier problem, but since the gubment won't put up any more money (they bid on a contract) they won't put more man hours into fixing is... its all a configuration issue.

Otherguy Overby
March 5, 2006, 12:04 AM
Yeah I know it doesn't make sense... Of course "military intelligence" doesn't either. :)

For those who haven't been in the military here's the truth: They do not want the general troops having access to weapons. Even in a war zone they want to keep them locked up.

Last I heard they wanted guns locked up in the "green" zone in Bagdad.

dm1333
March 5, 2006, 12:33 AM
I'm in the military and I read THR at work on my lunch breaks. This has nothing to do with the military being "anti gun". What is happening is the Morale, Welfare and Recreation computers where he is have a filter that is blocking porn and unfortunatley also THR. I have been on several larger bases where this has happened but it is not intentional. Usually it can be fixed by talking to the people who maintain the computers.

K-Romulus
March 5, 2006, 12:53 AM
I work for a Fed agency, and they have a "De minimus" use policy for personal internet goofing. Certain websites have been banned from access from these work computers presumably because they are not "work related" types of webpages.

These blocked categories are the usual porn and gambling sites, but also "discussion forums" and anything "weapon/bomb related" except sites "related to the gun control issue." Clear as mud . . . :rolleyes:

In actual practice, this means that:

Powerball and the DC lottery sites are banned as "gambling"

DailyKos is banned as a "discussion forum," but not FreeRepublic or DU, or the WashPost and BalSun forums

AR15.com, Sigforum, and Glocktalk are banned as "weapon/bomb related," but not THR or Pro-Gun Progressive

Easton Archery is banned as "Weapon/bomb related" :confused: , but not ArcheryTalk

Ammoman and CheaperThanDirt are banned as "weapon/bomb related," but not MidwayUSA, Brownells, Sportsmans Guide or Outdoor Marksman

KeepAndBearArms is banned as "weapon/bomb related," but not the 2d Amendment Foundation, VPC/Brady/CSGV, Tripwire or MCRKBA (for you MD folks), or the various NRA sites.

If you try to access a banned site, the IT department gets a "red flag," and if you have enough of these flags you get a phone call or email from the IT department, who have to follow up on these hits.

The flags will show up if, for example, THR members hot-link an image hosted on a banned site like "gunsnet." I recently had to disable my photo preferences here after getting a second phone call from the IT department about repeated flags. When this policy first started a few years back (before they bothered to tell the employees :rolleyes: ), I got a call from the deputy IT guy about my web habits re:Glocktalk, Sigforum, SIGarms, etc. He was cool with my personal political beliefs, he just didn't want to have to deal with all the extra work of chasing down every flag that came up in the system.

I heard one woman got several really aggressive phone calls from the IT people because she had numerous repeated porn hits. Turns out she was a 60-something, deeply religious secretary, whose hits were caused by some sort of spyware.:rolleyes:

mons meg
March 5, 2006, 01:03 AM
The civilains that run the military networks are retards. Low end techie scum that couldn't find a *real* tech job.


Ahem, how do you know it was a low-life scum civilian? Maybe a low-life soldier or airman set up the filtering software and left in the default settings?

Signed, your friendly low-life civilian network engineer.

U.S.SFC_RET
March 5, 2006, 01:04 AM
They don't want you surfing these type of sites during work hours. At fort lewis that was the case anyway. The firing line was definitely out but THR was not.

IZinterrogator
March 5, 2006, 02:27 AM
THR and TFL are both blocked at Fort Hood. However, when in Iraq, I was able to surf both with no problems. Go figure.

erik the bold
March 5, 2006, 09:57 AM
A little help please......how exactly are you supposed to enter the binary conversion?

209.51.144.70 converts to:

11010001.110011.10010000.1000110 correct?

I tried this (http://11010001.110011.10010000.1000110/) in IE and Firefox and got nowhere......

Jon Coppenbarger
March 5, 2006, 10:18 AM
I will not say which army post I work at but I was blocked from a few of them including this site.
It is a program that is run by someone else that controls what you can access.
It was explained to me that it is not so much a gun thing but why I was being blocked was it is a chat type of forum.
I had them remove the block at work from a few sites like this one.
It was put this way, I do not care what you log onto but if you get caught chatting on a forum during bussiness hours I can not help you any more.

so while at work I may check in here but will wait tell I get home to post.

Lennyjoe
March 5, 2006, 10:38 AM
Ha Ha! Not at DM. I can still get into it here. Also, TFL is blocked but if you go to www.thefiringline.com/forums it works.

I can still get into about 95% of the gunsites at work. For now at least.;)

PX15
March 5, 2006, 11:10 AM
thumbody:


I fed at the Government trough for over 34years and I can verify that we indeed did get breaks..

In fact I was retired almost 3 years before I realized I wasn't just on another "extended" break...

In fact retirement kinda reminds me of those extended breaks....

(A little)...

Best Wishes,

;) JP

johnmcl
March 5, 2006, 11:18 AM
Hi all,

I work a lot on government networks. Most of the Defense sites are on a unclassified network called NIPRNET. In some spaces, NIRNET is migrating to NMCI. The argument against a wide-open Internet interface presented to me was one of bandwidth. The vast majority of network traffic, and we are talking big numbers on NIPRNET, is the responses from websites. The math is simple, a http request going out is very small, but the reply back is huge.

The non-work related network traffic was choking the mission. To be honest, if that argument is true I'm pretty much for the filter.

John

Aikibiker
March 17, 2006, 11:31 AM
Back in the USA for two weeks. It is good to be home.

For those of you asking why I was surfing the internet at work the answer is simple. I wasn't. I live on base and use the compers at the community center internet cafe when not at work.

The military group I am with isn't so bad about weapons. All teh soldiers carry their personal weapons with them and are required to have at least one loaded magazine.

For those of us on the civilian side of the house we have to have our weapons secured in the arms room except when on duty. From what I gather though, that is the companies fault not the military's (company is based in PRNJ and has the expected attitudes that come with it.)

I talked to the head of the MWR at camp and he said there was nothing he could do. I am not sure if it is just he doesn't want to do it or that is the policy of this particular command.

Langenator
March 17, 2006, 12:45 PM
MWR computers on most posts run through the same set of post servers that all the work computers do, and thus are stuck with the same set of filters. At least, that was the case at Ft Jackson-I couldn't look up anything on the library computers that I couldn't get to on my office computer.

But what is filtered varies by installation. Ft Jackson didn't block Blogger/Blogspot, but Ft Lewis does.

And THR and AR15.com are both accessable at Ft Lewis, but TFL isn't. Go figure.

Drav
March 17, 2006, 01:00 PM
My company uses Websense to filter websites.

Until espn.com and other sports sites are blocked as much as firearms and computer gaming sites, I'll never buy the argument that they are blocked for not being work-related.

YellowLab
March 17, 2006, 01:03 PM
EDS has claimed that bandwidth in not an issue. NMCI is just a huge cluster.

I had to download a program, an OFFICAL, DoD Prepared and required to run by instruction. It HAD TO BE DONE.

So I get the program and burn it to disk. The AV program goes off, and NMCI shuts off my network drop. FOR A WEEK. The next day, I am pulled in from of the bosses to explain my 'hacking'. I show them the program, and they all deflate like a Macys Day Parade balloon. No heads would roll.

The NMCI guy shows up, does what could only be called a 'tacticle entry' into my space and DEMANDS to know who was hacking. I show him the OFFICIAL program. He leaves.

NMCI issues an e-mail. DO NOT DOWNLOAD PROGRAM X. Even though its reuqired, and I showed everyone the instruction. NMCI say's if you run that program your drop will be turned off.

A week later my port gets turned on.

NMCI is a bunch of ***** lead by a higher paid bunch of *****.

PogueMahone
March 17, 2006, 03:37 PM
amen to that! funny thing is they block ar15.com but not ak-47.net, geocities.com but not go.com, anything.ru but not anything.ca...absolute low-rent morons...:cuss:

brianinswfla
March 17, 2006, 03:54 PM
I use Google as a free anonymous server by using the translate feature. Use the following link:

Click me! (http://www.google.com/translate?langpair=en|en&u=www.thehighroad.org)

The actual url is:

http://www.google.com/translate?langpair=en|en&u=www.thehighroad.org

This will get you THR. Just substitute whatever url you need at the end and you will be good to go.

tegemu
March 17, 2006, 04:24 PM
Is it only firearms sites that are blocked? I am retired but some of my former colleagues tell me that there are quite a few sites blocked including some they need to do their work.

imas
March 17, 2006, 09:32 PM
Basically you are not supposed to be using government computers for personal use. However they try to maintain access to the internet which will be useful to people using it for work. (atleast this is the way it works for government offices) They have different policies at different bases.

Usually access control is maintained locally. I'm filtered out of just about every gun site but THR. Gun sights are normally blocked out because they are "Mature" in subject mater. At least thats the message I usually get. I used to get on Glocktalk alot when I worked in a real slow job. But they eventually filtered it out.

Another board I visit, Rapture Ready was blocked for a couple months then they brough it back. Not sure why its still against policy but I'm not complaining.

Duke of Lawnchair
March 17, 2006, 10:13 PM
THR isn't blocked at Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division China Lake.

Careful what you say Yellowlab, those NMCI machines have more rights than the both of us combined.

Oh, and to make my post firearms related, the PEQ-2s that we use are cool, so yeah, they're cool.

Creeping Incrementalism
March 18, 2006, 03:26 AM
My company uses Websense to filter websites.

Until espn.com and other sports sites are blocked as much as firearms and computer gaming sites, I'll never buy the argument that they are blocked for not being work-related

My company uses Websense too. The main reason I post on THR is because it is one of the few guns sites that isn't filtered as "Category: Weapons [...] denied." What's funny is THR's library is blocked by Websense, but nothing else is.

Good point on espn.

However, even though I think Google is evil, I might try that translating service.



Edit: Tried Google's translation service, and it still got blocked.

One funny thing (since no one saw) that happened to me at work is I did an image search on Google for "Mini-14", and one of the first images that popped up was some porn (note: that image doesn't appear anymore).

Jon Coppenbarger
March 18, 2006, 08:36 AM
They turn on just about any site I wish for but the yahoo forums. They flat told me I do not care what you look at unless it is porn. But if you are bidding on stuff at ebay from work or on the chats then its hard to defend you to the ones doing the blocking.
I started getting the sites un blocked when they started blocking places like the CMP and the such. It helps when the guys are friends and gun owners also.

The Real Hawkeye
March 18, 2006, 09:41 AM
Wow! I work in the public school system, and I visit The High Road all the time at work.

baz
March 18, 2006, 10:18 AM
little help please......how exactly are you supposed to enter the binary conversion?

209.51.144.70 converts to:

11010001.110011.10010000.1000110 correct?

I tried this (http://11010001.110011.10010000.1000110/) in IE and Firefox and got nowhere......

I can convert to binary easily enough. But I've never heard of using binary in the place of decimal representations of IP addresses. I would think, though, that you'd leave the dots (periods) out, so that you have a 32 character string of 1's and '0s. But I tried that with the above, and it didn't work eather.

So please, explain how this works. Don't point us to a page on how to convert to binary. Tell us how to use binary in an URL.

AF_INT1N0
March 18, 2006, 11:30 AM
Ahem, how do you know it was a low-life scum civilian? Maybe a low-life soldier or airman set up the filtering software and left in the default settings?

Signed, your friendly low-life civilian network engineer.

Because they are contracted out in most of the state side, and some of the overseas environments. Simple result of IT boom. Enlisted person joins AF, gets tired of being treated poorly for low pay(in comparison to what IT guys were making during the boom.) gets out at first opportunity. Air Force is so low on IT guys that they are forced to hire outside contractors. Present times, Enlisted person, goes into service, learns computers, gets out only to return the next day in civies and a goatie and 2X the pay (probably sitting at the same desk).

edited--- to correct grammatical errors

Aikibiker
April 4, 2006, 04:21 AM
I returned from my vacation (bought a nice new bushmaster while in the states) and low and behold the net filters on the MWR computers have been turned off. I don't know if one of the soldiers hacked the network or the powers that be decided that adults should be treated like adults, but I can access THR again. Life is good.

RTFM
April 4, 2006, 09:25 AM
Eric_the_bold A little help please......how exactly are you supposed to enter the binary conversion?

209.51.144.70 converts to:

11010001.110011.10010000.1000110 correct?

I tried this (http://11010001.110011.10010000.1000110/) in IE and Firefox and got nowhere......


Fantacmet, please explain in the form post about your binary method.

As Eric_The_Bold stated, your binary method did not work at all.


Please try again, although I do not think it will ever work, post EXACTLY how you would get THR to work with the binary method.

RTFM

fantacmet
April 15, 2006, 02:03 PM
Ok I am going to correct this here. First of all I need to respond to someone's post.

johnmcl as a network administrator, and engineer with a degree here shortly, plus over 11 years of personal experience, and being a founding member of more then one hacker underground group in my past, I can tell you in no uncertain terms the excuse you were given about the question of bandwidth is complete and utter BS. Bandwidth coming down from the web is nothing compared to internal bandwidth being sucked up. Although that point is someone clouded due to the internal speed being far greater, probably a gigabit connection internally. It actually ends up leveling out. Unless they are running low end DSL or slower, the bandwidth isn't going to be a problem. There are other things I could say as well to prove the point, but I am not allowed to, if you catch my meaning and somehow I think you know exactly what I mean by not allowed.

Now onto the binary conversion not working. That is my fault, things have changed a bit and I failed to do my research. The conversion still woorks, but you need to go a bit further.


Ok do the conversion as normal(don't use the decimal to binary conversion in the calculator, because it truncates the 0's and screws it up, do the binary conversion manually). For THR.org it works out to........................

209.51.144.70 = 11010001.00110011.10010000.01000110

From here open up your trusty windows calculator, and click view and change to scientific view(or any other scientific calculator), and set it to binary(bin). Now enter in the binary address (minus the dots) and you have, 11010001001100111001000001000110 and now click on dec(for decimal, and it will end up as 3509817414 now type http://3509817414 into your browser and THR will pop up. I just tried it myself and it works. It is a bit slower then entering in the IP or domain, because it has to convert it instead of just looking it up, but it does work. Thanks to Sir.Thanatos of PHUnification hacker underground, and 2600 magazine, for the correction, and inspiration respectively.

If the website is still blocked it is done so at a hardware level, and can still be gotten around, but then there would be charges on you and charges on me, so I won't be covering that. If you want to go that route fine but I will no tbe held responsible, but read the book titled "The Art of Intrustion" by Kevin Mitnick, for area's where to get started and idea's.

Rev. Michael

P.S.
This is just a disclaimer, that you might want to check your policies regarding this first, I put this up for freedom purposes, freedom of information, security by obscurity is stupid and not security. Also security is NOT a product, it is a process. So use this info at your own risk. You may want to try it at home before trying it at work. Anyway there it is, I showed you how, and then saved you the time in doing it if you want to just write it down, but I still urge you to go through the process. It is more knowledge and we all know what knowledge is.

GullyFoyle
April 15, 2006, 06:16 PM
http://www.allredroster.com/iptodec.htm

does the complete IP to decimal conversion for you.

fantacmet
April 23, 2006, 01:42 AM
I'll have to keep that in mind, but if people just want to go here, all they need do is write down the decimal I provided. LOL. It's the exact one for here. I may end up in the future at some point on my website put up the decimal verrsions already done, to alot of sights that might be banned that shouldn't be.

Rev. Michael

ZDavidoff
April 23, 2006, 03:47 AM
I'm at Travis AFB, and THR is one of the only gun-related sites not blocked.
I can get to some sites using an anonymiser, but that's pretty slow. You'd think that being in the military they would want us to be interested in small arms, but the are some pretty unfriendly policies regarding private firearm ownership. For instance, Airmen who live in the dormitories can't keep any weapons with the exception of small pocketknives in their rooms. They have to check firearms into the base armory, and I've heard horror stories of how private weapons were fired without consent of the owner and never cleaned, and I've heard of many weapons being dinged and scratched while in care of the armory.

Z. Davidoff

DF357
April 23, 2006, 04:08 PM
Have you tried connecting thru Anonymous

http://anonymouse.org/

Thin Black Line
April 23, 2006, 06:46 PM
It's blocked at Moody AFB, too.

I've noticed the AF seems to block a lot of stuff. I was able to access
THR in the sandbox, but it depends who you get your feed from. Every
little signal co has their own policy (and CDR) and it depends who your
co is piggy backing off of.

I found certain religious sites blocked (which seemed more or less random)
not to mention anything that might carry Al-Q agitprop (more deliberate).
Known proxies are also blocked.

14YEAROLDGUNADDICT
April 24, 2006, 01:37 AM
yea my school computers do that 2 because i went into THR once and they blocked the site :fire:

Checkman
April 24, 2006, 11:57 AM
The military (all branches) is anti-gunowner. Individuals within the Army might be gunowners (I spent fourteen years in the Army), but generally the Army dosen't trust soldiers or civilians with firearms.

Also, like police officers (I'm one of those now as well), you'll find that many soldiers (officer and enlisted) aren't very knowledgable about firearms. To many of them their rifle is a tool and they give it no thought beyond what the Army requires. Which consists of qualfication and the occassional cleaning mostly. There isn't much passion for firearms.

Heck in of couple of my units they restricted the length of knife blades. I had one battalion commander in Germany who wouldn't let us take anything bigger then a pocket knife out to the field.

Daniel T
April 24, 2006, 12:26 PM
type http://3509817414 into your browser and THR will pop up.

Doesn't work. I can access THR by name and IP just fine, but this method doesn't appear to work.

Nick1911
April 24, 2006, 12:50 PM
Because many filters block based on the actual content (too many instances of the word gun) I've found an effective solution is bouncing through a secure web-proxy so the packets coming in 'look' like junk to the filter, however is decrypted on the end users computer. An example:

Secure Clicky! (https://www.fsurf.com/index.php?q=d3d3LnRoZWhpZ2hyb2FkLm9yZw--&hl=1011101001)

Creeping Incrementalism
April 24, 2006, 01:20 PM
My employer uses Websense as a filter. What's funny is if I type "www.fsurf.com" into my browser, it blocks it under the category, "Proxy Avoidance". But if I clink your link, then delete the end of the url until it reads only "www.fsurf.com" it works.

By the way, thanks for the link, it's the first method of everything metioned in this thread that defeats Websense, the webfilter that blocks almost everything gun-related, but not espn.com., VPC's website, et.c. pfff..

Nick1911
April 24, 2006, 01:56 PM
By the way, thanks for the link, it's the first method of everything metioned in this thread that defeats Websense, the webfilter that blocks almost everything gun-related, but not espn.com., VPC's website, et.c. pfff..

You are welcome. :)

Really, it's just understanding what is happining at a basic level. 'Course most people expect this from a college student studying Computer Technology.

There are other sercure web-proxy's that may not register as such to websence that may be worth a shot.

The original and best document on bypassing filters is:

http://www.zensur.freerk.com/

Creeping Incrementalism
April 24, 2006, 02:04 PM
The original and best document on bypassing filters is:

http://www.zensur.freerk.com/

38894

:banghead:

(note, I can read the link at work with fsurf)

wmenorr67
April 24, 2006, 02:10 PM
Don't know if they still do it or not but the my guard unit recently had a lot of sites blocked. All the college/universtiysites that the education assistance NCO used for information on classes were blocked. Go figure that one out.

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