? on Coach Guns


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kevin387
March 6, 2006, 01:40 AM
I want a coach gun (short barrell and double barrelled). Who makes a decent one with exposed hammers? If no one does then how much pressure is kept on the firing pin spring (?). To illustrate the point one reason I like revolvers is that they can be left loaded indefinetly without any type of spring failure because they are at rest. Autos can not. How long has someone kept one of these or similar guns loaded before firing, weeks, months, years? I ask this because I came across a couple of old single shots and they no longer work properly and I think this may have been a contributing factor.
Kevin

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Hemicuda
March 6, 2006, 02:28 AM
i hAve a dozen or so break action hammerless shotguns, some as old as 1900's, and never had a malfunction in any of them...

IGA Stoeger makes a hammer doublegun, but the hasmmers are "vestigal"... dummy hammers, and the firing pin springs are still pre-loaded when you open the gun... (if i remember correctly)

ArmedBear
March 6, 2006, 03:28 AM
Baikal makes a functional hammer gun for a good price. Remington sells them now as "Spartan Gunworks". See Remington's site under Shotguns -> SPR

Because of CAS you can get all sorts of the things. http://www.shootmagazine.com for more.

But it's also true that spring fatigue in modern steel is caused more by using the gun than keeping it cocked. Most people store their pump guns cocked with no problem at all.

BozemanMT
March 6, 2006, 11:22 AM
CZ makes some fine coach guns, although I think they are hammerless
But I guess I don't understand the issue
get some snap caps, and then you put it back, just fire both sides on the snap cap
no load on the sear.

seeker_two
March 7, 2006, 08:28 PM
I don't keep my Stoeger (hammerless) Coach Gun loaded, but I do keep a buttcuff shell holder on it. You can load it amazingly fast with practice and still keep the firing pin springs at rest (dry fire on empty chambers)...

mosrogfor
March 7, 2006, 11:09 PM
Thanks for that info ArmedBear.

Been looking for an exposed hammer coach gun and wasn't aware that Remington was rebranding them.

dpote
March 7, 2006, 11:19 PM
I shoot the crap out of my Norinco 20ga. Blackpowder only, though. Full brass magtech shells.
Its very well made, and strong. It is my understanding Norinco used the same blanks for 20 as they do for 12, and as a result the 20's barrels are thicker, and ring like gongs.
Speaking of which, you should see me unleash this thing at the local CAS shoots. There's about 4' of flames coming out the front.
As far as springs go, perhaps I am not understanding the question. I don't see how keeping the hammers cocked on a double would wear them out.

Be safe,
Dave

craig
March 7, 2006, 11:58 PM
the wife and i got a pair of norincos last year. 12ga. for me, 20ga. for her. $250.00 each at our local shop
they're not as well finished as a big brand name, but they're not bad.
i think they're being imported under another name now, but i can't remember what it is.
i like going to the range and watching people stare when we cock the hammers. to me, that's coool.:D

Car Knocker
March 8, 2006, 12:08 AM
To illustrate the point one reason I like revolvers is that they can be left loaded indefinetly without any type of spring failure because they are at rest. Autos can not.

I've read of several instances of autos being stored cocked and locked for decades and there being no problem firing the pistol. Same goes for magazines being stored loaded for decades and functioning flawlessly.

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