[Lou629]

I'm thinking of getting a Kel-Tec 9mm carbine, the S-2000. I was wondering if anyone out there in THR-land had any first or second-hand feedback on this piece for me? Is it a decent piece for the money or is it an all-around POS to be avoided at all costs? I'm not concerned so much with how accurate it is, since most of my guns shoot better than i do anyway. My primary concerns are QC issues (safety) and reliability. Anyone out there who has used one or owns one, and can give me some perspective?

[aguyindallas]

I dont have any specific info about it, but take a look at www.ktog.org

Its a very good place to get Kel-Tec info.

[rangerruck]

they are nice, little recoil, popping noise, but they do burn stinky, you need to get either an m4 butpad and put on the rear or order the stock ext from keltec, it is like 6 or 8 bucks. you can also get at rail drop piece to put up front between the handguards , to hang a light on , also from keltec. i actually put 3 items on mine, a dot scope , then i had an extra rail device that i put around the front of the bbl. it was from a small pen sized laser light, i used scpoe mounts there to put on a sure fire type light. then finally i had some very strong velcro and stick side tape, which i wrapped aound the front of the handguards, and attached a laser with a paddle switch. if i were you , if you get one, use the glock mags type. also if you take apart, and clean and lube , and put back together, dont tighten very tight around the grips and the rear of the receiver, it likes to be a tad sloppy in the rear, for ease of movement. finally , go to the hardware store, and buy some pipe insulation, and glue it to the top of the steel pipe that is the stock, believe me after 100 rounds you will need that padding.

[entropy]

I love them, I just wish mine would have fed properly with any mags but the Meg-Gar Klinton mag that came with it. I did not buy it to be a ten-shot single magazine rifle. I have two friends who have them, they never have had any problems with them, although only one of them has an extra mag. It works fine; maybe I should have got a Glock mag version. (Mine was S&W 59)

Don't fire aluminium Blazers through one, and I didn't have the best sucess with Wolf steel cased, either.

The rifles are fun and easy to shoot, it is an excellent gun for beginners to shoot. One (formerly) non-shooting friend upon trying one said, "Why doesn't the Army use these?" , because he just picked it up and was banging the 100 yard gong with almost boring repetitiveness. (We explained a little about ballistics to him, and showed him what a Saiga .223 did to the ground vs. the 9mm... then he shot the Saiga and loved it!:evil: )

I liked the fold-up feature, and the ease of maintenance. (Hey, just cause I clean them professionally doesn't mean I don't mind an easy one for my own..) Had I more $$ for guns, I'd like to buy 4 of the 2000's and 2 SU-16c's.
I saw a neat AOW SU-16c Pistol, at a gun show Saturday. Well, maybe it's not AOW, but I hadn't heard of factory pistols.
Rangerruck has some good advice there, wish I'd have known what I know now before I bought mine. Follow his advice.;)

[Doug S]

I recently bought one, and have put 150 rounds of fmj and hollowpoints through it. Not a single malfunction. I use Glock 17 and 33 round mags pretty much exclusively without any problems. Only used the factory 10 round mag for the first mag or two before switching to the full-cap mags, but it works fine also. If you do a search I and others have posted a few range reports here and on Glock Talk / Firing Line. For only $275 I think it is a great gun. I think the 33 round mags and the reliability (at least so far) make it a very viable defensive firearm. Quality seems good.

[3 gun]

I picked up one about a month ago used. It had the KT scope mount on it with a normal scope. Neither worked very well. I've done this to mine.
http://www.members.aol.com/gse1100/OhioTFL/KTs2k1.jpg

Since this set up I've add a 2nd base to the barrel and used a Simmons 42mm 4 moa dot like this; http://www.members.aol.com/GSE1100/OhioTFL/42mm.jpg

The sights are usable thru the scope when off and the rear folds out of the way with the dot on. I think I'm going to leave it like this. I bought the carbine to shoot and this set up is a good one. With factory Glocks mags it's been perfect.

With the scope off it will still fold to almost closed with the scope off. I started testing with the KT scope mount forearm. I have the stock one and after I've tested this set up a little more I'll most likely cut it to fit. I cut just in front of the top, rear most screw. I figured it would be the strongest, least likely place to break while cutting. I added 2 old camera batteries as extra weight. You can see one just below the front base. The extra weight(about 6oz total) is just about perfect, giving the S2k a neural or slightly nose heavy feel.

If I were starting over knowing what I know now, I'd order the longer 1 piece base and the Simmons scope. This might change if the Simmons doesn't hold zero or breaks, but right now it looks and works good. And it only cost $20.

I'm taking the Millett 1" Sp scope with me to the next few shoots, just in case the Simmons fails. Since I didn't make any changes to the rear mount it will still be zeroed. I may fine tune this a little but if nothing breaks it should be real close to the finial set up.

Done like this you still have a couple points to mount lights or a laser. Plus the KT rail is still usable at the front of the forearm.

I took it to a shoot this weekend and put over 500 rounds thru it. The weather turned out a little cool but bright and sunny. This pointed out the only short fall of the Simmons to date, the highest setting isn't as bright as the Millett SP1. Still the dot was clear and sharp. We had no problems with zero or anything else scope or mount related. Careful alignment of the bases, a couple of drops of LocTite on the screws and a nice scope made for an easy day at the range.

Overall I have to give the Sub2000 a big hit and 2 thumbs way up!