[ABTOMAT]

Just something I've been wondering about but hadn't thought to ask. I happen to have a pretty rare Grendel flashlight (don't see too many of those) so I've often wondering about the pistols they made. Any good? I recall the designs being a little odd but my knowledge stops there.

[Jim K]

The ones I have seen are trash and their first one (P-10) was a real POS. It was .380 and had a fixed magazine that loaded from the top using AR-15 stripper clips and a little clip guide that came with the gun. Considering the difficulty in loading, IMHO it amounted to a "disposable" gun.

Their P-12 was slightly better, at least having a conventional magazine. Neither was reliable or accurate (even in comparison with other guns of the same size). They made several more models (according to the Blue Book), but I never saw any of them that I recall.

Unless one goes in for collecting odd-wad guns, they are best left alone.

Jim

[Yukonstorm]

They were pure junk. I wouldnt fire one

[ABTOMAT]

Thanks. Didn't the guy who ran Grendel start Kel-Tec?

[hkmp5g17]

Yep- George Kelgren. Are you getting at something?........:D

[1 old 0311]

I have a friend who carries a P10. He has quite a collection, but loves this one. Must be the only guy who got one that works.

Kevin

[RecoilRob]

I have a P-10 and it has always worked just fine. Not a lot of fun to shoot because it is pretty small in the hand and the kick (for a puny .380) seems WAY out of proportion.

Lots of people found them unsuitable for structured range use because of the inability to quickly make a partly loaded weapon safe. The later P-12 had a conventional magazine and was better in this regard.

The Grendels aren't as nice as a BHP or 1911, but I would hesitate to call it a total POS either.

[otomik]

george kellgren seems like a really smart innovative designer but some of the stuff is really bizarre, same with the earlier companies he's worked with.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as63-e.htm

and tec9, honestly :barf:

[Hkmp5sd]

I have a Grendel P-10 and it works great as a single shot pistol. On the other hand, with more than one round, it is excellent for demonstrating assorted FTF malfunctions.

[ABTOMAT]

You know, I gotta say that the flashlight is just like that too. Very innovative design, but you can hardly get the batteries into it!

[MCgunner]

I've had a P12 for 15 years and it always goes bang, never jams. But, then, according to the "know it alls" here, my P11 should be a jamming POS, too, and it's not. I've out-shot plenty of Glocks with the P11 the few times I used it to shoot IDPA, some 1911s, too.;)

The P12 isn't all that accurate, puts 'em into about 6-7" off bags at 25 yards and I had to file the front sight quite a bit, but got it shooting to point of aim. It's the biggest caliber I have that fits in a jeans pocket. I rather like it. Packs a lot of rounds in a small enough package to put in a pocket.

[Big Mike]

Without repeating pejorative terms above used to describe all things Grendel, I'll add that my .380 slam fired on me and thankfully did not hurt anything but the bedpost and wall...and this AFTER it returned from the factory in Florida. If you are a really conscience person, you'd buy every Grendel pistol you came across and destroy it...just my personal and highly biased opinion. Mike

P.S. I recently found out a co-worker had a .22 Grendel that locked up so tight after it jammed that he had to destroy the frame to get the slide to free. Funny how when we both asked about the biggest POS pistol we've ever owned, we both said "Grendel."

[Rabid Rabbit]

A friend has a P-30? 22 Magnum with a 30 rnd mag. Talk about a jamamatic. FTF every other round. I think the problems might disappear if he were to get a barrel in 17 HMR, the bottle neck cartridge might be sufficient to eliminate the feed problem.

[Chipperman]

I've only fired one. I don't know the model number, but it had a standard magazine. The owner set up a drill where we transitioned from out CCW to the Grendel and then back, engaging several targets.

The Grendel functioned fine, no jams. The trigger pull was the heaviest I've ever felt in a pistol, however. I don't know if they were all like that.

[loadedround]

They were all POS. Sorry to be so graphic.

[Dragoon44]

+1 of what Jim Keenan said. I am embarrased to admit I once bought the P10 when it first came out. The worst pistol I ever owned. Mine never jammed but only because I could never even get it to fire to begin with.

[LynnMassGuy]

This many people have owned Grendels? Yeah right.

[RecoilRob]

Heck, I still have mine. No Keltec collection is complete without one!

[whitedemon]

where can you buy clips for these and who repairs them thanks mike

[jocko]

George K. is about to start shipping their $2000 RFB rifle, sounds like you guys will have to have one of those also..

[philbo]

Grendel Pistols. They were all POS.

I must be the luckiest guy around. I bought 2 when they came out and both have functioned without problem since day one. One's loaded next to the desk as I type. Pain in the butt to breakdown and clean, but it's been dependable for over 25 years. That ain't how I'd define POS.. :neener:

[roscoe]

He seems to have been determined to have gotten the .22 mag to work in a semi-auto.

[Duke of Doubt]

Turrible sights, turrible glare. Basically a turrd.

[Tom Fury]

I owned one (.380); So did my gunsmith; he had one that worked. I sold mine to a friend to finance something else; Magazine cracked on him (not down the seam).
Still and all, it always went bang.
Cheers, TF

[MCgunner]

I have a P12 that is 100 percent reliable with 90 grain JHP and I can fill the inside of a paper plate at 25 yards with it. Hate the trigger, love the capacity for its size.

[Snowdog]

The Grendel P-10 always reminded me of a PEZ dispenser and I must say that I toyed around with the idea of one several years ago. I do recall reading an editorial in some gun rag in the early 90’s that extolled the “ingenuity” of the piece. Their specimen was reliable and reasonably accurate for the size.

[Mastiff]

My P10 was the worst, most unreliable POS I've ever owned. FTE's and FTF's were common. I'm not sure I ever got 3 rounds to fire in a row.
An NRA Firearms Instructor I'd told how bad the recoil was, didn't believe a 380 could kick that hard. I let him try. Then he believed me. The kick was so bad that he actually flinched firing the second round, after withstanding the recoil of the first round. It was real obvious because he got a FTF on the second.

[BigO01]

All Grendels are POS ?

Don't think so , friend had one carried it as a off duty weapon was at range with him at least dozen times and he would pull it out for a bit of practice and it would run 100% every single time for a full box of ammo .

Loading was a pain yes but any normal person that wasn't a whining little baby would deal with it .

[madmike]

Mine (P12) works fine. Got it used, have put hundreds of rounds through it, only problems I had were some bad rounds, and when it got so filthy the trigger wouldn't return. A quick wipe with a drop of CLP on a toothbrush and it was fine again.

It's not great for accuracy, but it's basically a backup hideout gun. At 7 yards it's plenty accurate.