[Lupinus]

One of my bolt guns is a springfield 84c which can use short, long, and long rifle and I have just finished cleaning it up so it is in good working order and am just waiting on a magazine for it.

Question I have since my only experience with the three is with long rifle what are the major differences between long, long rifle, and short?

advantages to either the long or the short over the long rifle? How bout for hunting, what game would long or short be better on then the standard long rifle?

['Card]

Are you the guy that bought that 84C magazine on eBay last week? I was trying to buy that for mine, but missed the end of the auction. :)

Wikipedia links:
.22 Short (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Short)
.22 Long (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Long)
.22 Long Rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22LR)

The basic breakdown is that .22 Shorts are used mostly as ultra-cheap ammo for target shooting. The .22 Longs are mostly obsolete and aren't really used for anything anymore, and the .22LR is what you'd use for small game hunting.

[Lupinus]

nope wasn't me and I hahvnt even placed an order yet, need to get money in the bank lol

suckers are hard to find, brownells sells five round ones but that don't mention the 84c specificly, and numrich is out of the five round ones and only has the ten round ones...which I am assuming works since it is labled for it but never tried a ten round one in there.

[griz]

Shorts and longs used to be a little cheaper than long rifle. Once the slightly more powerful LR caught on, the economy of scale gave it a lock on the marketplace. So now the main market for the shorter rounds is for guns already chambered for them, and few times when you want less power and/or noise.

[Vern Humphrey]

Basically, the Long is dead -- it was an unbalanced ballistic kludge, anyway.

Shorts have limited applications -- in some Olympic target pistols, old "gallery rifles" and for people who want a very quiet cartridge. Using a lot of shorts (we're talking many thousands here) can erode the area behind the throat to the point where Long Rifles will expand into the eroded area and not reliably extract.

Long Rifles are the best choice for 99% of applications and are cheap, to boot.

[stevelyn]

For most applications you'd be better off shooting the LR.

Shorts have their place too. I use the CCI Short HPs for fox hunting at night where ranges are going to be relatively close. They kill just as dead as any other round with a well placed shot and I find that exit holes are fewer.

One thing to remember about shooting shorts is that you need to clean your chamber more often as the build up of firing residue could impede chambering the LR.

[MCgunner]

I rather enjoy shooting CB shorts in my back yard range. I live out on the edge of town, couple of neighbors, but still in the city limits and don't wish to advertise my target shooting activities. :D The CB shorts are quieter than my old pump up Benjamin pellet rifle, yet hit somewhat harder putting a 29 grain bullet out at about 600 fps. My old Remington M512X bolt action shoots 'em into a ragged hole at 25 yards, just as accurate as most LRs. Amazing. :D

I had a POS Beretta tip up in .22 short, jammamatic, but you had to fire high velocity shorts in it to get it to eject. I never really did figure out how to get it to feed. :rolleyes: To put it in perspective, I get rid of it and kept a Phoenix Arms HP22 because it's reliable and accurate and actually useful. How bad is THAT? :banghead: ROFL! I really don't see the appeal in that little Beretta, either. I got it from a friend for a hundred bucks, just because it was a Beretta and cheap. Sold it for 135 at a gun show, so I was happy enough. :D But, the .22 short it fired was even worse for SD than a long rifle and the gun was not that much more compact than a long rifle firing gun or .25 ACP.

[BillinNH]

It's true about a lot of shorts gumming up a long rifle chambering. A friend of mine gave me his family heirloom Model 1915 Stevens Favorite because he knew I would give it a good home. I guess it wasn't cleaned much. He said once upon a time he fired LRs in it but now he could only use shorts. I found I could chamber and fire LRs but couldn't get them to extract. Had to pound them out with a dowel from the muzzle. So I bought a LR finishing reamer from Brownell's (cost more than the gun was worth) and re-reamed it. Voilá, pefect fix. Saved the gun which has become a favorite (pun intended) of mine.

Bill

[redneck]

Long Rifle is really the best choice. There are so many different loadings available in it you don't really need the others any more. Its also the cheapest.
I do like to keep a box of CB longs around. Out of a long barreled bolt action they're almost silent and still pack more punch than a magnum air rifle. They cost too much to shoot very often though.
Shorts, I don't see any real need for. They offer a lower powered alternative to LR's but you can get subsonic and target grade LR's which will do about the same thing. It is kind of cool to be able to stick about 25 of them in a tube fed gun though :evil: