M1 Garand and the Styer Mannlicher m95


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Flyboy73
March 8, 2006, 01:50 AM
BrioI just got my Styer M95 carbine from SOG and noticed something about it. I understand the M95 uses a Mannlicher operation, and although the M1 is a semi auto the way the two uses clips seem very similar. They both use a clip, one with 5 and one with 8 rounds. You insert the clip till it locks, both have a clip release that ejects the clip. And after the last round is done, the magazine is ejected, one from bottom and one from the top.


I was wondering if John Garand took inspiration from the Mannicher design. Seem very similer to me.


Any thoughts?

Brion

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cracked butt
March 8, 2006, 04:48 AM
They are both called 'en bloc' clips.;)

Ash
March 8, 2006, 07:46 AM
I have always thought the m95 was a prime candidate for conversion into a semi-auto (the Swiss K31, toon perhaps even easier because of the operating rod design). You'd need to lengthen the butt to keep from getting your eye poked out, but all you would really need would be to tap gas from just behind the front sight, on the right side, and install a long piston to the bolt handle. Put a return spring towards the muzzle so that it pulls the piston and bolt back into position (instead of pushing the bolt directly like in the FAL or AK). You could enclose all of that in a fairly compact tube on the right side. It would be about as bulky as the bayonet folded back on the M44 Mosin. Like I said, the only real consideration would be to have the shooter protected from the bolt's rearward movement, which could be done by extending the stock (though perhaps the trigger would have to be relocated).

Ash

cracked butt
March 8, 2006, 08:21 AM
but all you would really need would be to tap gas from just behind the front sight, on the right side, and install a long piston to the bolt handle. Put a return spring towards the muzzle so that it pulls the piston and bolt back into position (instead of pushing the bolt directly like in the FAL or AK). You could enclose all of that in a fairly compact tube on the right side

Or put the gas piston on the bottom, have it wrap around to the right side and attach to the front of the bolt, use a shorter bolt, and you have an M1:D

Ash
March 8, 2006, 08:44 PM
True, I was refering to doing the whole thing as simply as possible. An entirely side-mounted system would be very easy to prepare, but would not have a very good balance. Under the barrel would make a much more balanced weapon, as history has shown so well.

Ash

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