Moving to Birmingham...where to shoot?


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Felonious Monk
March 8, 2006, 01:15 PM
I've taken a job in Birmingham, and would like to know where some good ranges are in/around that area.

Also, I anticipate moving to the area once I'm settled into the job. Where are the most gun-friendly areas of town to live in? Would those areas also include ways to avoid the awful traffic to get to my downtown office?

I'd prefer to be somewhere with a 'rural' feel to it, would LOVE to be able to buy a place where I could shoot on my own property, but I also don't want to have to drive an hour or more to get there.

Anybody have suggestions/opinions?
Thanks,
Felonious

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GruntII
March 8, 2006, 01:27 PM
How far do you want to commute each day? I would advise living not in Jefferson COunty but one of the surrounding more rural counties. Traffic is a nightmare in the city. Birmingham is one of the 10 most dangerous cities in nation on a per capita basis. There are 2 Ranges I know of.The FOP inc out door range complex is a good range. I think membershiop is 200 a year. They have IPSC and IDPA as well as a range capable of handling Class III . Teh second range it the Alabama PIstol training Institute or some such. It is an indoor range with no membership requirement and small pro shop A permit in Alabma is relatively easy to get, self defense is a justifiable reason. Cost per year ranges from about 10-35 dollars depending on county. There is a great pistol/gunsmith in the Roebuck area at Plaza Gunworks by the name of Paul. He stays covered up with work. There are several large gunshops in the metro area form the Gun Cellar in Hoover to Plaza Gun Workd to The Pistol Parlor to Southeastern Guns In Trussville.

Felonious Monk
March 8, 2006, 01:36 PM
Thanks, Grunt!

I am comfortable with a commute of anywhere from 10 minutes (yeah, right) to a half-hour, maybe a little more out of necessity.

I've heard suggestions re: Pelham, Helena, Alabaster, McCalla. Opinions on these?
Living on the edge of a State Park (Oak Mtn) sounds nice in theory; what kind of area is that? Expensive? Anything close to a rural feel?

GruntII
March 8, 2006, 02:10 PM
That whole area is a mix running form old homestead to 200,000 Plus homes.
10-30 minute commutes is kind of a dream but you can try. I commute 50 minutes a day. Where will you be working? What side of town? Alabama has it's problems but generally it's a great place to live. Our politicians are crooked but the people are nice.

Go to the web check out http://www.thesourcefm.com/ it's our local conservative talk station. Pelham is nice, Alabaster is overrun with illegals and had been the siteof a city sponsored land grab. Check out St CLair County and the City of Moody. A small bedroom community about 20- 30 minutes east on I-20.

Felonious Monk
March 8, 2006, 02:20 PM
18th St. Alabama Power Bldg. Smack downtown.

BTW, a couple of folks have told me now that B'ham is very dangerous. Good news is, there's a parking garage directly attached to the bldg.

BigFatKen
March 8, 2006, 03:05 PM
The best way to get through Birmingham is to just walk on the air, it is so dirty. If you can't do that, think about geting your job located a little south. There are houses on five acres around Alexander City for under $100,000. Alex City is on most top ten places to live in the Country.

Sorry, that is about I can contribute. The Lake Martin area is clean, cheap and with all of the old vacant mill buildings, railroads, and the four lane now runs from B'ham through Alex City to Auburn, it will once again grow and prosper. Maybe you can get your boss to let you start the new branch. Regular houses in the city start at under $50,000.

Best wishes and welcome to Alabama. BTY, we passed a law in special session last year to keep Emient Domain to Public Use as per the Constution. No Mayor grabing your land because his brother-in-law wants to make it a condo.

ALHunter
March 8, 2006, 03:15 PM
I live in unincorporated Shelby Co.
Too many areas and too much to recommend/not recommend in a post. As with anything, it depends on what you want and what you can afford before you can start considering areas to live in. If you want to talk by phone just PM me.

Mark's Outdoors in Vestavia has a decent selection. I much prefer the extra drive to Simmons Sporting Goods in Bessemer to deal with the people there. THRs' Ala Dan is there too.

I belong to Iron City Trap & Skeet Club off of 459 by the dog track. I also belong to Steel City Gun Club (also known as Brock's Gap) off of 459 towards Hoover. Both are great places to shoot. Steel City is doing a big expansion and once complete it is going to be outstanding.

Welcome to B'ham.

Editied to add: I've been to the Alabama Pistol and Training Institue once, about a year ago. It's in Tarrant, I guess considered on the outskirts of "downtown Birmingham." Indoor range, only about 6 or 7 lanes. I found it dirty and uninviting. FWIW. I have no plans to go back. Besides, I prefer to shoot outside.

Ala Dan
March 8, 2006, 03:45 PM
Greeting's All And Many Thanks For The Kind Word's AL Hunter my friend-:)

Well, yes like most places these days Birmingham is VERY dangerous
with a high crime rate.:uhoh: So far, some good suggestions have been
made; like McCalla, Hoover, Homewood, Irondale, and Trussville. I would
stay away from "central city" as much as possible. Gang bangers run
rapid 'round here, and also North Birmingham (Collegeville) and East Lake
(Gate City). One city I forgot over the mountain is Vestavia Hills, but its
kind'a pricey. With most newcomers settling in Shelby County, Homewood
seems like an ideal location for you. Jump on the Red Mountain Expressway
and you would be at Alabama Power in 'bout 10 minutes, on a good day.

The Pleasant Grove F.O.P. range is a most excellent range. They offer
annual memberships; or hourly rates. Its owned (and run) by a Pleasant
Grove police SGT, who likewise lives on the land. Also, Steel Cities in
Hoover is a most excellent range. They just recently joined forces with
the Hoover Police Department, so shooting on Wednesdays for civilians
is out of the question. Also, as a last resort the first Saturday of each
month Bessemer Police Department opens its range too the public. Its
operational hours are from 0800 hrs to 1600 hrs. They have a range
safety officer on duty, and offer basic marksmanship instruction too
newby's. Its free too the public.

And YES, I'm at Simmons on Thursdays, Fridays, and most Saturday's.
Welcome and I hope you enjoy your stay~!:D

Felonious Monk
March 8, 2006, 04:33 PM
AlaDan, the Tennessee Vol Fan...you've GOT to be hardcore Vol (blood run deep orange?) to be so fanatical in the midst of pachyderm (Tide) country. Goodonya!

We've talked a few times, and now it appears I'm going to actually be close enough to come shake your hand. Looking forward to it!

Thanks for the recommendations. I'll definitely be by to see you in the next couple of weeks.

BigFatKen-- That's SO funny! Thanks for the sales pitch. Wish I'd known you were in D'ville all this time!
We moved to AC in August of '04, to take a job with the MAJOR employer in the area. Well, turns out they are a company in HUGE crisis. Managed to make it look pretty, just long enough to convince me to come to work for them, then pulled the curtain back and started the "Oh, by the way..." business.

Suffice it to say I now have good legal representation. :cool:

So, my time with that company will not have been in vain, but alas, we may have to move from Mayberry in order to pick up and continue the career.

Any other recommendations re: B'ham?

Jim Watson
March 8, 2006, 04:58 PM
Although born in Birmingham, I haven't lived there since I went off to college in 1963 and cannot comment on where to live and how to get to work.

I do shoot there, IDPA at Steel City. A nice range with an ambitious expansion program.

http://www.scssa.org/

BigFatKen
March 8, 2006, 05:33 PM
I'll take a wild guess that you worked for Russell.

Felonious Monk
March 8, 2006, 05:55 PM
Discretion is the better part of valor, Ken.
I'll plead the 5th. :cool:
...at least until the attorneys finish their wrangling.

Ala Dan
March 8, 2006, 08:47 PM
I will be looking forward to our meeting, Sir~!:D

BTW, yes my veins bleed orange even here in BamaLand.
I just hope 06 turns out better than 05~!

Lone_Gunman
March 8, 2006, 11:14 PM
I lived for about 10 yrs in Birmingham in Homewood, Cahaba Heights, and Mountain Brook. None of those places are scary at all. It doesn't take long to get to downtown from there either. I worked at UAB at the time, which is not in downtown, but pretty close.

Souris
March 9, 2006, 12:58 PM
If you want to stay in an unincorporated area and still want to be close to birmingham you might want to check out the Shannon area. I expext that buying in the Shannon area would be a decent investment since it is surronded by Hoover, Homewood and Bessemer. Hoover is expanding and so is Homewood. Bessemer is just trying to stay the same size. I expect over the next ten years that Shannon will be Annexed by Hoover.
Homewood, Mtn. Brook, Vestavia have the best public school systems. Birmingham only has a school systems to pay its' administrators and not to educate. In the Birmingham city proper you might check out the Downtown loft condo's or the Highland Park, 5pts So, Redmont area's for nice housing.

North of Birmingham is an area that everybody seems to forget about. Hayden, Gardendale, Fultondale,Warrior are all good communities. I have a friend in Hayden that let's his son hunt his garden. Last year they bagged a 4 pt. It's about 30-45 minutes out of town on 65.

There is an indoor gun range on 40th St So in downtown B'ham (not a great part of town but you will be armed :) )
SCSSA (http://www.scssa.org/) in Hoover
Magic City Gun Club in Tarrant
FOP Range in Pinson
Public WMA Range in Helena
I think there are a couple of others that I can't remember at the moment.

If you reload you will get to know Simmons Sporting goods in Bessemer as they are the only place that sells reloading supplies.
Mark's Outdoors in Hoover has really nice high end Shotguns and clothing as well as a nice selection of new and used rifles and handguns.
Gun Cellar in Hoover is a decent place to check out.
Southeastern Guns in Trussville is a good place to buy.
I have not had good experiences with any gunsmiths in the city of Birmingham. Unfortunantly there are only 2 places that I know of that do any gunsmithing type work.

All of the Birmingham area guys should get together some time and go shoot.
JR

greyhound
March 9, 2006, 05:23 PM
I live in Hoover and its about 25 minutes up Rt.31 to get downtown. I could jump on I-65 but thata always backed up..

I love it here - moved from Maryland in Nov. 2004 and haven't looked back. I also belong to FOP Range, and while Marks Outdoor Sports is only 5 minutes away I try to throw as much business over to Ala Dan and Simmons.

Welcome! And btw, the Alabama Power Cafeteria is great. I eat there frequently (though I don't work there).

Hey off topic but my Jefferson County Pistol Permit is up for renewal in May - are they going to send me something or should I just go down there sometime around the renewal date?

Ala Dan
March 9, 2006, 06:30 PM
Greyhound My Friend- Greetings Again-

No need to sit a'round and wait for the "pink slip" to arrive in the mail
reminding you that you need to renew your CCW. Just try to drop by
local sheriff's office, and pluck down the $7.50 fee and you will be on
your way. Takes all of a'bout five minutes. Those "pink slip's" aren't
sent out until CCW license is from 30 to 90 days past due.

BTW, Jefferson County AL does require a six months residency
before a CCW can be issued. Good Luck~!:D

PlayboyPenguin
March 9, 2006, 08:49 PM
Where to shoot. If Birmingham is the same as it was when I lived in Huntsville I would say out your window or on any street corner after sunset. Just kidding, there are lots of nice areas of Birmingham but there are some bad ones too. The only time I have ever had to pull a weapon as a civilian was in Birmingham. That was back in like 1991-1993. :)

greyhound
March 9, 2006, 08:54 PM
Thanks Dan - yep the 6 months residency deal is why I had to wait till May to get my CCW when I was here in November.

So since I'm usually pretty organized - is it OK to stop by in mid-May if my CCW doesn't actually expire until May 31st? (I realize this is actually a question I should be posing to Jefferson County Sheriff's office, but thought maybe someone has some experience here!:) )

Lone_Gunman
March 9, 2006, 09:00 PM
I havent lived in Birmingham for 10 years, but when I was there, the shootings were pretty much all confined to black-on-black crime that ocurred in north Birmingham after dark.

So unless you are black or north of downtown afterdark, I wouldn't be too worried about Birmingham.

rlltdjpr
March 9, 2006, 09:11 PM
On Pelham, Helena, and Alabaster you will have a hellacious commute up I-65 every day--most afternoons it is gridlocked (that drive can develop into an hour spent in the car quite regularly). As for me, I've worked in Irondale, and several afternoons have had to go to Alabaster--a full hour. I don't think McCalla would not be so bad traffic wise, for now, but just give it 5 years. There is alot of housing construction in that area. As for gun friendly, pretty much anywhere in the area seems to be, and there is a range on the Cahaba WMA near Helena, its the one I use because it is much cheaper than those others. Good luck!

Ala Dan
March 10, 2006, 08:11 AM
That is correct Greyhound my friend-!:) Makes no difference at all,
amd I'm sure they will be happy to see you.:D

Ala Dan
March 10, 2006, 08:20 AM
Well Lone Gunman My Friend-

Crime in and a'round Birmingham has rapidly spread into the suburbs;
and is not limited too North Bombingham, or after dark thirty
for that matter. The East Lake and Roebuck areas seem too have
taken the lead as I write this; but Southtown projects, and the
Cooper Green housing developement will hold their own as well.
The "Brickyard" near Ensley is history, but the area is still a very
dangerous place. But, so is Bessemer~!:( Anyone moving too
these neighborhoods should arrive with a can of comet scrub
in one hand, and a handgun in the other~!:uhoh: :eek: :D

Lone_Gunman
March 10, 2006, 08:27 AM
Well thats too bad Ala Dan. Are Vestavia, Homewood, and Mountain Brook still pretty safe?

Hutch
March 10, 2006, 01:02 PM
I've lived in B'ham just about all my life (still own a house in Hoover where my college kids live), but I'm in Opelika now. IMHO, Ala Dan, for whom I have great regard, is overstating the crime problem. I strongly recommend Hoover for the schools and affordability, but if commute is more of an issue, then Vestavia or Homewood is a better bet. Depending on what your real-estate budget is, Mountain Brook is a short drive and a beautiful community, but very expensive (Think: Old Money). All of the above-mentioned school systems are first-rate.

Regarding ranges, the Steel City club, morphing into Brock's Gap Training, is the best I have ever seen. Great facilities, and is being rapidly expanded. I'be been a member since '79 or so, and the difference is phenomenal. You just can't do better, and it's a short drive from 'most anywhere in Hoover.

After having read your post more carefully, the commutes from rural areas can be brutal. Where they are not, the real estate values are questionable. I mean, you can probably afford 5 acres within a 30-min commute, but that'll take you to the least desirable areas to live, as in West Jefferson or Pinson/Tarrant. May we inquire as to your family demographics (if any)?

Felonious Monk
March 10, 2006, 01:28 PM
Hutch-- WASP. Right wing conservative, middle to upper-middle class Scots-Irish with toe-headed children.

Souris—Shannon looks good when I pull it up on Mapquest; sparsely populated…is it ultra-exclusive, or is there a toxic waste dump there, or…what’s the downside?
Oh, and I LIKE your idea about a B’ham shoot!

Greyhound, rlltdjpr—Will Rt 31 REALLY do me better than 65? I’ve got an option for a short-term lease in Pelham near where 31 and 65 come together. That might make it REAL good, if the alt route is fairly smooth. What’s your experience?
Also, re: CCW…I’ve just renewed mine in Tallapoosa County, so I’m covered…legally…until further notice. My TN CCW is also still active, so I won’t get in too much trouble, I don’t guess.

Ala Dan—I’ll avoid E. Lake, Roebuck, Southtown and Cooper Green like the plague. Thanks for the info. I’d also heard that Bessemer was baaaad, but you’re the first to confirm that.

Also, even though the job is downtown, I plan to get in, and get out. Furthermore, unless there’s a metal detector set up somewhere, I don’t go too many places without my ‘little friend’. :cool:

greyhound
March 10, 2006, 02:32 PM
Mr. Monk-

I live in a little section of Hoover called Bluff Park, and its right near 31 and 65. I've tried both and definately prefer 31. In fairness, I can take backroads (Shades Crest Rd) that put me on 31 halfway to downtown.
I guess you just have to try both 31 and 65.

If I ever have to go downtown on the weekends, I take 65.


Good luck!

Correia
March 10, 2006, 02:53 PM
Ala Dan, the Brickyard is gone? Wow.

I lived in Forestdale and worked in Ensley. I was there in 95-96 (when they had that big flood and ice storm). My experience in B'Ham was rather limited to the poor/violent/dangerous north side. Forestdale was actually pretty decent, but Ensley is possibly the most hideous place that I've ever been.

The Brickyard was terrifying. Dead people laying there, and none of the residents cared. And New Years Eve? I'm a jaded gun fanatic, and I'm used to gunfire, but when they lit up at new years, it was continuous gunfire for about thirty minutes, coming from all over the projects. I'm talking probably five hundred seperate weapons being shot (mostly) into the air.

GruntII
March 10, 2006, 06:25 PM
The crime problem in Birmingham is serious but managable.The issue of illegal aliens is a growing problem with soem cities ignoring it. I work in the southside in the UAB area and deal with BPD and UAB PD often.Don't under estimate the crime problem but don't fear it.
Moody as I said is a city you should look at. It's growing but you still can get that small town vibe easy . The commute from Moody during rush hour is about 30 minutes.

Ala Dan
March 11, 2006, 08:35 AM
Correia My Friend-

Yes, finally the "Brickyard" has been demolished; and its tennants are
scattered elsewhere. I was talk'in to a Birmingham patrol SGT who is
in charge of 2nd shift out of Ensley, and he says that it has definitely
decreased the crime ratio in his grid. I guess "the boys in the hood"
moved over too East Lake-Roebuck, Southtown, Rosedale, Cooper
Green projects, or Bessemer? Also, the "Little Viet-Nam" section of
Bessemer has been demolished. That use to be a place where the
gang bangers would shoot across the street at each other.

Mr. Monk ole' pal-

Another city just came too mind that might suit your needs. How
'bout Hueytown? Home of "The Alabama Gang"~!:uhoh: No not
gang bangers, NASCAR"S Alabama Gang of Bobby & Donnie Allison,
Red Farmer, and the late Neil Bonnett, Davey and Clifford Allison.
Close to Bessemer, and Simmons Sporting Goods~!:D

Mr. Lone Gunman My Fellow Dixie'Lander-

Vestavia-Homewood, Mtn. Brook-Hoover, and No. Shelby
County are still fairly safe. Of these, Homewood would be my
choice. Biggest crime there is shop lifters, and bad check
writer's (aka: paper hanger's). First rate police and fire
protection. Most criminals infiltrate from "the greater
Bombingham area", as they like too do their shopping at
the more afluent stores (Laughing Loudly~!)

Felonious Monk
March 11, 2006, 01:26 PM
Moody might be okay, if the traffic in and out of downtown is not a nightmare during rush hour.

So, what's the story with this Shannon area?
On the map, if B'ham was a "donut" of highly populated area, Shannon appears to be a "hole" of almost nothing...Lakeshore Parkway, Lacey's Chapel Road, and Oxmoor Valley Golf Course. There seems to be almost nothing else in that area.
What's the deal? Does anyone know?

TheFrontRange
March 12, 2006, 12:54 AM
Felonious, welcome to the fabled Steel City :)

I currently live in Hoover. While we do face a growing immigrant population here (to paraphrase Seinfeld, "Not that there's anything wrong with that..."), we do have quite the nice little Matchbox community here, or at least that's how I like to think of it...good police and fire coverage and a great school system.

As for Shannon...we lived there (in the Golden Forest Estates area...see "Glenridge Drive" if you're doing the Google maps/satellite/hybrid" thing) and it was VERY nice...quiet, affordable, good, ah demographics...you felt rural but you were 10 minutes from Homewood, Hoover, and Bessemer. This was in the 1995-1997 timeframe. There's been some development out there since, like the Ross Bridge Resort area, but it still looks nice. The big drawback at that time was the school zoning...we were in unincorporated Jefferson County...I don't even know what elementary school we would have been zoned to, but the middle and high schools were many miles away...and you've already read about what fun the traffic can be. We had only one child in school at the time, and she was in a private (church) school then that was closer-by.

Back in those mid-90s days, you could hear shots in the distance as folks from the neighborhood sighted-in their hunting rifles nearby...ahhhhhhhhh, so nice! Don't know if that's still happening out there...I hope so!

I have to also say...HEY Ala Dan! I've been away from these boards for too long...how are you? I didn't know you were at Simmons...I'll have to come see you sometime!

Tinker
March 12, 2006, 05:37 AM
Monk,

"On the map, if B'ham was a "donut" of highly populated area, Shannon appears to be a "hole" of almost nothing..."

My understanding of the situation in Shannon is that the area was a major mining area in the past and that most of that land is held by a large mining entity. My wife's aunt has lived there for 30 years. It is quickly losing ground as an osasis from the surrounding cityfied areas. Saw a lot of developement coming in there last Spring when I stayed there a few times.

I agree with Grunt and that you might want to check east of B'ham proper for a place. Traffic can be a bad, but not near what folks see at other main arteries into the city. Plus, I-20 is currently being expanded with more lanes. I worked in Southside (coming from St. Clair Co.) for 10 years and if you do come in from I-20 I could tell you a way into downtown and avoid the 20/59 mess. It threads you through Southtown project, but that's OK during daylight hours.

BTW, welcome to Bama.

thereisnospoon
March 12, 2006, 06:17 AM
...anywhere within 30 minutes of B'ham is dangerous or rundown.

No. Shelby is the place to be
Farm living is the life for me
Land spreading out,
so far and wide
Keep Jeff County,
just give me that countryside...


And I would go ahead and apply to www.scssa.org

You have to have 2 members vouch for you, but thats not that hard. If you like the looks of the place, I'll sign you up:D

GruntII
March 13, 2006, 03:11 AM
...anywhere within 30 minutes of B'ham is dangerous or rundown.

Not so as I said Moody is within 30 minutes and it's as safe as anywhere can be with a semi rural existence.

shep854
March 13, 2006, 05:51 AM
I'm late getting in on this thread, but here goes...

I live in the dreaded NE corner of the Bham area; ie, Roebuck/Huffman/ Center Point. Where there are people, there will be crime, but the locals are working on restoring the area.

Due to location, I shoot mostly at the ATI range, but am a member at the FOP as well. ( www.foprangeinc.com ). The problem is that the FOP is all the way across town, and makes for a fairly long drive. Both ranges' shops offer reloading supplies and have FFLs. I used to be a member of the Heritage Rifle and Pistol Club, located to the NE in the Argo area. As homes appeared on the ridgelines around the range, I got nervous and left.

One other great thing about Birmingham is that usually there is a gun show every month somewhere in the area. A big one is at the BJCC nearly every other month. We also have Four, count 'em, FOUR Academy Sports stores around Birmingham!:what:

Another vote for Plaza Gun Works!:)

thereisnospoon
March 13, 2006, 12:11 PM
GruntII,

I stand corrected, but I never consider Moody *30* minutes from Bham. Probably bacause I was always going to Moody from Alabaster and it took forever to get across 459 to 20....

Wherever you live, you can't go wrong with SteelCity or FOP range or with Plaza Gun Works...Paul is a friend (I use that term loosely;) )

Ala Dan
March 13, 2006, 01:29 PM
Hello Again Folks-

I must say a special howdy to my friends The Front Range and shep 854:D

Its nice to see you guy's on board again~!:cool:

Felonious Monk
March 14, 2006, 08:25 PM
What can y'all tell me about Gardendale?
Mapquest says it's 16 minutes from the office, and I found this:
http://www.cityofgardendale.com/CityServices.htm

Ala Dan
March 14, 2006, 08:31 PM
Gardendale is also a wonderful starting point, but I'm afraid the 16 min
drive may be a bit misleading; especially on hetic days~!:uhoh: If I
remember correctly, Fieldstown Road is the main drag in Gardendale?
Hey, this city has even been known to host a few small gunshow's~!:D

Hutch
March 14, 2006, 09:20 PM
Gardendale.... hmmmm.... Well, depending on the age of your kids, it might be okay. At the risk of sounding like an elitist, the G'dale and Fultondale areas, along with Clay/Chalkville have a reputation of being rather ahhh... rustic. Redneck, not to put to fine a point on it. There are good and bad areas of any bedroom community, but there just ain't gonna be too many College Bowl competitors coming out of those schools, if you get my drift. I hope I've not offended anyone, but you can lose IQ points just stopping there to fill up your car.

Felonious Monk
March 14, 2006, 10:01 PM
Thanks. I'm not worried too much about underperforming school system...

See, y'all have to understand: we are 'bout 50/50 homeschoolers. Sound wierd? Yep.

Each year, we kind of look at what's best for each of our 3 kids. We pray, we do analysis of their mental, spiritual, emotional, social, and academic development, and make whatever decision is best for each child, for that year.

Here's the 16yr old girl's record:
pre-K, private school.
K-5, public elem. school.
6-8th, homeschooled.
9th & 10th, public high school.
Her GPA is 3.9, last semester she had straight A's, and is in band, a wrestle-ette, and youth group (church). Quite headstrong, but I can't IMAGINE where she gets THAT. :cool:

14 yr old boy:
pre-K, Kindergarten -- private school.
Grades 1-5, public elem. school.
7th, public middle school.
8th, homeschool.
He's asked to go to public H.S. (where his sister attends) next year, and that's the plan for now.

10yr old girl: (She's been diagnosed ADHD by both a school board panel and one of the best pediatric ADHD specialist east of the Miss. River):
K-1, public elem. school
2-3, homeschool.
4th, 1/2 homeschooled, 1/2 public.
5th: homeschool.

So we are NOT the glazed-eyed, fanatic homeschoolers by any means. We are also not going to let the mediocrity of a local school system's capabilities hamper them from being all they can be.

Rustic is good. Really uneducated, opinionated, trashy redneck is bad. I'll go meet some folks and see what it's like before ever moving there, but there are always ways to meet one's family objectives despite less motivated people surrounding.

I mean, if it's a total loser of a school system, it MIGHT deter me, but if it's just not the "trendiest" school of the moment, but otherwise with competent and caring teachers and administrators, we can WORK with that.

autospike
March 14, 2006, 10:35 PM
Howdy,

I live over in Riverchase (Hoover).

I would suggest somewhere in Hoover, Alabaster, or Pelham. There are a TON of neighborhoods going in and a wide range of prices. If I had my pick, I would live in Shelby county over Jefferson County.

I used to work right across the street from AL Power building at BellSouth. My wife works at UAB now.

You are at an advantage with the attached deck, walking to and from work was always an adventure since I had to park 6 blocks away and often worked late.

There is a pretty good cafeteria attached to the AL Power building, but you probably won't want to eat there every day. There are plenty of restaurants around, but you just have to keep an eye open.

That area is pretty busy, lots of folks working in that area and it's relatively safe.

The big problem with it IMHO is that there is a Greyhound bus station very nearby and a ton of panhandlers and EDP's milling about. I would see someone being cuffed and stuffed outside the station nearly every day. There were a lot of bum fights, purse snatchings, etc.

For shooting: There is a free range at the Cahaba Wildlife Management Area (cheap access or hunting license required).

The best place on my side of town is Steel City Sports Shooting Association.
http://www.scssa.org/

One of my buddies is a member at this place, it's too far for me:
http://www.hrpclub.org/

In Jefferson County, you will need to be a resident for either 3 or 6 months (can't remember) and 3 signatures of residents before you can get your CCW. It's cheap and can take 3 weeks to process (though mine was turned around in less than 24 hours).

In Shelby Co. they run an instacheck on you and hand you your permit. No sigs or waiting period required when I lived there.

Did I mention that traffic sucks? It's a way of life here though and you're probably going to be screwed no matter where you live if you are headed downtime in the morning.

autospike
March 15, 2006, 10:00 AM
Oh yeah, forgot Vestavia. Very nice.

If you're $loaded$, shoot for Mountain Brook :D

Ala Dan
March 15, 2006, 11:49 AM
Jefferson County, AL requires a 6 month residency, and 3 character
witness'es too sign on the application~!:uhoh: :cool:

TheFrontRange
March 15, 2006, 11:18 PM
For my last renewal of the Jefferson County CCW, I was offered and sprang for the additional $2.50 laminating job on the card...for a total of $10, it's just an amazingly low cost to pay each year compared to what I've heard/read about some locales outside the state.

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