Rape victim vows: "NEVER AGAIN!!"


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progunner1957
March 8, 2006, 01:42 PM
From the website www.womentoarms.net comes the story of a woman who once victimized, vows "Never again!!"



Why I Picked Up a Gun
by Tiffany Hyatt


In the fall of 2001 I remember driving home and passing a beautiful little house surrounded by crime scene tape. I wondered what happened, but didn't worry too much because nothing "really bad" ever happened in that part of town. Little did I know then, but the Baton Rouge Serial Killer had just left his first calling card.

Since that day, it has been almost two years and our city has been plagued by more violent murders of women than I have ever seen. There have been abductions, attempted abductions, women's bodies being dumped in Whiskey Bay, female college students stalked and brutally murdered, men dressed up as police officers attacking women in their homes, and worst of all, one woman was raped and beaten by men who actually are commissioned police officers. I was that woman.

This is my hometown, this is my life.

I am a 31 yr. old single mother of four and I wake up every day afraid, and I fall asleep every night wondering if it is safe to close my eyes. Being a victim of an assault, combined with the mysterious killings, made me realize that my only recourse was to carry a gun and be prepared at all times. I was raised using guns for sport, but until now I had never learned how to use a gun for self defense. I am now educated, trained and ready to defend myself and my family with deadly force.

Unfortunately it often takes a traumatic event to make most women even consider carrying a handgun, whether the traumatic event was experienced personally or to someone we know. As a survivor, I now encourage and promote women to train and educate themselves as armed members of the community in the hope of preventing more stories like my own. My motto is "it is better to have a gun and never need it, than to need a gun and not have it."

Before my life became centered around promoting female gun use for self defense, I worked in the Emergency Room at two local hospitals. I have seen gun shot wounds up close and what damage a bullet can do to the human body, but far worse is seeing the woman or child who has been raped and beaten without a chance to defend themselves. I am grateful for those experiences, because I think that is what gave me the strength to survive when I was raped and beaten myself. I vow I will never let that happen again!

I am now speaking out as loud as I can and to whom ever will listen. I tell women who are afraid of guns, who have never used or sometimes even held a gun - "if you follow the rules of gun safety, become trained so you can properly handle the weapon, and know the carry laws in your state, owning a gun can give you an advantage over an assailant that most women would not have without it." But I also tell them that the gun should not be their only line of self defense. Some of those suggestions are; carry a can of Mace, learn physical self defense skills, always be aware of your surroundings, other everyday items can be used as weapons, and having a plan of self defense in your home (similar to the type of plan you prepare if your house catches on fire). These are all things I tell women when they come into the gun store and firing range where I volunteer my time.

I firmly believe that girls should be taught as they are growing up, when, where and how to use a gun for self defense. We as women are often taught that there will always be someone there to protect us, but that is far from reality. If I could make just one significant change to benefit the future women of America, I would make sure that little girls were taught self defense before sex education in school, and the history of the Second Amendment would be taught along with lessons on gun safety. Knowledge is power. We have strayed too far from the origins that made this country great! Back then women were just as accustomed to defending the homestead as the men, where did we lose that pioneering drive of self reliance? It is not lost, it is only asleep. I say WAKE UP LADIES! Arming yourself is your constitutional right, firearm education and training is your choice (I highly recommend it), but defending your life and the life of your children is your DUTY!

Who can argue with that?

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Standing Wolf
March 8, 2006, 06:18 PM
Arming yourself is your constitutional right, firearm education and training is your choice (I highly recommend it), but defending your life and the life of your children is your DUTY!

I like simplicity.

TallPine
March 8, 2006, 07:39 PM
one woman was raped and beaten by men who actually are commissioned police officers. I was that woman.
I suppose the laws that protect cops even if they are performing an illegal arrest, would also make it a crime for a woman to shoot a cop who was raping her ????? :fire:

mbs357
March 8, 2006, 08:15 PM
But...but...only police are professional enough to...
:uhoh:

Powderman
March 8, 2006, 09:08 PM
But...but...only police are professional enough to...

Please.


Don't even THINK about lumping all cops into the same basket as that scum.

shermacman
March 8, 2006, 09:13 PM
Some dude named Oleg Volk has a bunch of cool pictures on that site.

Leonovicz
March 8, 2006, 10:25 PM
Shermac, http://www.olegvolk.net/. Oh, and Oleg is a member on these forums. :)

sturmruger
March 8, 2006, 11:26 PM
Actually Mr Volk owns this site. :eek:

Knob Creeker
March 8, 2006, 11:54 PM
But...but...only police are professional enough to...

LOL! I assume you are quoting the DEA agent that shot himself in the training video.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/deaclass.html

4v50 Gary
March 9, 2006, 12:05 AM
Tallpine said: I suppose the laws that protect cops even if they are performing an illegal arrest, would also make it a crime for a woman to shoot a cop who was raping her ?????

No, you supposed wrong. The law does not protect an officer who is acting outside the course and scope of employment. No department can condone an officer committing the felony of rape. In fact, there's an entire body of case law establishing liability for officers who pull over women under the color of authority and then depriving them of their civil rights. Former cops have not only lost their jobs but have been sued afterwards (and rightfully so I might ad).

shermacman
March 9, 2006, 06:25 AM
Leonovicz
uh, yeah, I was just stating the obvious. It was supposed to be funny.

Powderman
March 9, 2006, 01:01 PM
No, you supposed wrong. The law does not protect an officer who is acting outside the course and scope of employment. No department can condone an officer committing the felony of rape. In fact, there's an entire body of case law establishing liability for officers who pull over women under the color of authority and then depriving them of their civil rights. Former cops have not only lost their jobs but have been sued afterwards (and rightfully so I might ad).


Spot on.

In addition, police officers are held to a "higher standard of care", meaning that they are subject to much more severe penalties for the commission of a crime than a non-LEO.

You can take this to the bank: No one hates a dirty cop more than good cops. We have a hard enough time taking down the scum who victimize good people in the first place. Having criminals in our own midst is intolerable, and is NOT encouraged or hidden.

When a wolf is within the fold, it is the job of the sheepdog to deal with the wolf.

When a sheepdog goes bad, you shoot it.

Bama61
March 9, 2006, 07:14 PM
Every time I see something like this, I think about the phrase that I saw somewhere; "Nobody ever raped a .38".

I am not a LEO nor have I ever been one. And, I have the utmost respect for all the good guys, but I know there are lots of bad cops around. That, my friends, is very, very scary!

Bama61

TallPine
March 9, 2006, 08:08 PM
No, you supposed wrong. The law does not protect an officer who is acting outside the course and scope of employment.
Yes, but ... who determines just what is outside the course and scope of employment...? The court, the local dept internal affairs, or the woman being raped alongside the hiway in the course of a traffic stop...:confused:

We hear over and over and over how we are never supposed to argue with a LEO, but rather resolve the issue later in a court of law. That doesn't help much for the woman being raped - what good is a gun when the criminal is a cop?

dm1333
March 9, 2006, 09:04 PM
Tallpine,
I know of one former LEO who was fired for using his lights on his cruiser to pull women over (women that he knew, it was a small town) so that he could talk and "flirt" with them. I moved away right around the time he lost his job but I know that the DA was investigating to see what charges could be brought against him. I think his wife was probably really pissed when he had to explain why he was fired.

Don

gunsmith
March 10, 2006, 05:28 AM
what good is a gun when the criminal is a cop?

Larry Davis, won acquittal from charges resulting from a shootout with 30 police officers in the Bronx, who Davis said were trying to assassinate him because he tried to quit a drug-running ring with NYPD connections.


I'm not saying I think he was innocent (LD) but he wasn't convicted!

High Planes Drifter
March 10, 2006, 08:48 AM
I remember when the Baton Rouge serial killer was on the loose a couple of years ago. He killed a few women near where I live. They caught him, his name is Derrick Todd Lee. No telling exactly how many women he killed in all, I think he was accused of something like 19. Sick bastard.

Double Naught Spy
March 10, 2006, 09:23 AM
So progunner1957, did you have a reason for reposting a 3 year old editorial that had already been posted here 3 years ago? This isn't exactly recent news.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=22563&highlight=tiffany+hyatt

NineseveN
March 10, 2006, 10:23 AM
...and why did this turn into an LEO bash thread? Like, I'm all for accountability and scrutiny, but some of the rhetoric in this thread goes well beyond that. :scrutiny:

k_dawg
March 10, 2006, 10:27 AM
In fact, there's an entire body of case law establishing liability for officers who pull over women under the color of authority and then depriving them of their civil rights. Former cops have not only lost their jobs but have been sued afterwards (and rightfully so I might ad).


What is missing here? Oh right, arrest and jail time.

So much for being held to a "higher standard"... :barf:

MudPuppy
March 10, 2006, 10:34 AM
I didn't see this three years ago, so I'm glad it was reposted.

I agree this shouldn't be so quickly turned to a LEO bash--but that is a response to the argument that many anti-gunners use (only Cops need guns). It's also LEO that enforce those unconstitutional laws and it was LEOs we saw on tv wrestling an old lady to the floor in her home to take her self defense pistol. Now, in this account, it was LEOs raping someone.

Indeed, not all LEOs are rapists, not even a significant minority--not even a fraction. But, sometimes we can get overzealous in our response to the idea (or fact) that there's different rules for the .gov type and the citizens. All citizens are entitled to the same level of defense and firearm protection as the government types, with this story serving as a recent reminder.

"Citizens (Jews of 1930 and 1940 Germany) don't need firearms--only Police (Gestapo) and Soldiers (Waffen SS) need weapons." Sounds kind of creepy...

armedandsafe
March 10, 2006, 11:42 AM
This isn't exactly recent news.

By all means, let's all remember to only post that which is new. We certainly wouldn't want to bore new members in our community with old news, even if it is pertainent to our cause. :banghead:

Pops

thebucket
March 10, 2006, 12:18 PM
I, for one, haven't seen this article before as I wasn't visiting this forum 3 years ago. I am very glad to have seen it now, even 3 years late, because the information is still relevant (rape is still being committed). I like having resources I can point anti-gun/fence-sitting women to to show them that there are women feel the need to defend themselves which helps to tear down the stereotype that all pro-gunners are white males just itchin' to kill whoever looks at 'em funny.
Thank you for posting that again, even if it is 3 years old.

TallPine
March 10, 2006, 07:07 PM
and why did this turn into an LEO bash thread?
I wasn't aware that it had :confused:

The original post contained mention of a lady who had been raped by a cop, and subsequently/consequently gotten a gun for protection. My only question is what is the line (if any?) where a citizen may legally defend him/herself from a rogue cop...?

NineseveN
March 10, 2006, 07:59 PM
That's not what I see specifically being addressed here though...


The answer to your question is that's really up to the perosn at the time, but they have to live with the consequences, which may involve a stin in the pokey. Personally, judged, not carried...you get the drift.

On the legal theory end, it really does depend on the crime/offense being committed, whether or not one has knowledge that the offending party is in fact a police officer prior to or during said act and the particular laws of your state. On the "whether or not you'll be charged" side depends on your DA, the political climate of your area and how influential or corrupt the law enforcement system is.

In New Orleans, this specific type of incident (rape by a police officer) might have been covered up and brushed aside; if it were a PA State Trooper, he would have been crucified and put away proper.

In the end, if both parties survive, it all comes own to what can be proven on the prosecutor's side, not what is obvious and not what we all think everyone should know. If you have a corrupt cop, a corrupt group of cops or a corrupt department/office, evidence can be very hard to come by and as much as a DA might really want to prosecute, sometimes a lack of evidence or political pressure from on high makes that difficult or even just short of impossible.

If the offending cop dies, well, my guess is most DA's would decline to prosecute and the police department would perhaps try to keep it hushed down a bit to avoid the public scrutiny.

If the woman dies or is incapacitated, see my previous point.

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