28ga autoloader- need advice


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berettashotgun
March 8, 2006, 07:02 PM
Want to get a 28 autoloader, looked at he Franchi AL-48 and the remy 1100. CANNOT get it in my head to spend $700+ on a 1100. Can't do it. Have never shot a 48 and although I like the Franchi- it has a friction ring, I want a gas gun. Charles Daly offers a few 28's, but I don't know squat about them either. Anyone have some advice- I'm gonna use this gun in real rough quail/dove hunting. I already have plenty of 20 and 12 ga shotguns, want the 28 and have for a long time. The stock NEEDS to be plastic, and I really don't care about the finish too much, I'll get it camo dipped/coated anyways.

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kudu
March 8, 2006, 08:05 PM
If you want a gas operated gun, I don't think you have much choice but the 1100. IIRC the Charles Daly guns are not gas operated either. Beretta needs to bring out a 391 in 28ga and give Remington some competition to bring the prices of both guns down.

azflyman
March 8, 2006, 10:09 PM
I have an AL-48 in 12ga and the friction ring is no problem as long as the surface it rides on stays clean and well lubed. It is not trouble free at first but once you figure it out it works well as long as you clean your gun after a hard day. I always wipe my guns down after shooting so taking the forearm off for a wipe and lube is just part of it. Auto's of any type are not like a dirt eating pump guns, they take a bit of care to function properly.

Technosavant
March 8, 2006, 11:23 PM
I have in my possession an 1100 that was inherited. It was made in 1971, and has sat idle for at least the past 15 years; more likely 20.

Today I took it out and shot 3 rounds of skeet. It functioned perfectly, even allowing a complete noob to break a double in his second game (I LIKE skeet).

$700+ is a lot, but I do believe the 1100 is worth it.

Shell Shucker
March 9, 2006, 12:16 AM
If spending $700 for a nice gun like the 1100 28 ga bothers you you're not going to like paying $7+ for a box of shells to feed ANY 28 ga. The 1100 28 is a much better gun than the Franchi (no idea what they cost). I say this based on the assumption that you are going to shoot it a lot. If you plan to carry the gun over long distances and shoot it a little the franchi may fill your needs. I owned an AL-48 20 ga and I traded it after I replaced all of my loose fillings! Long recoil guns are a PITA, Lube the magazine tube to the point that they function 100% and they kick like hell, shoot them somewhat dry to avoid recoil and they function intermitantly....

If I were you I'd buy a 20 ga with an alloy receiver, Beretta, Browning, Benelli, ect (not long-recoil opperated). You will end up with a light gun (probably weights no more than the steel 1100 28) that shoots cheap shells and doesn't kick to much. The 20 is much more versatile and the 28 ga magic is over rated.

PJR
March 9, 2006, 09:27 AM
Beretta needs to bring out a 391 in 28ga and give Remington some competition to bring the prices of both guns down.
Not to get anyone's hopes up, there was a rumour on another site that this was something Beretta had in the works. It would be first on my list of guns to buy if it ever came out.

azflyman
March 9, 2006, 03:30 PM
Lube the magazine tube to the point that they function 100% and they kick like hell

Recoil is a state of mind. My 1895G with hot loads could be classified by some to kick hard, so could my Ruger #1 in 458 Lott but it is what you make it. I don't believe a AL-48 in 28ga could kick that hard in comparison to just about any 12ga.

An excellent point has been brought up, 28ga is an expensive proposition to feed. If you plan on using a 28ga enough to justify the extra money for the gun then you will have to reload whether you like it or not.

az

PJR
March 9, 2006, 03:57 PM
I don't believe a AL-48 in 28ga could kick that hard in comparison to just about any 12ga.
Believe it. The Franchi is a very light gun at 5-1/4 lbs and is recoil operated. Field loads for the 28 are either 3/4 oz. or 1 ounce. If the 12 gauge weighs two pounds more, is a gas operated autoloader and shooting 1 ounce or 1-1/8 ounce loads then it will definitely kick less.

Even though recoil from heavy rifles is more extreme shotgunning can be a high volume undertaking and the effect of recoil is cumulative. In the dove fields of South America you might shoot 1,000 rounds or more in a day, every day for a week or longer. How many rounds would you realisitically shoot from you .458 Lott? Try 100 full power loads every day for a week and tell me again that recoil is all in your head.;)

azflyman
March 9, 2006, 05:37 PM
How many rounds would you realisitically shoot from you .458 Lott? Try 100 full power loads every day for a week and tell me again that recoil is all in your head.

Nope, never done 100 every day for a week. I have done 60 in one day though. I am a bit of an anomaly, the harder it kicks, the bigger my grin gets:D And no, I don't care if I can't lift my arm for a few days.

I am familiar with a Franchi, I have one, 12 ga. 3" only. I have done 150 rounds through that in one day and yes it does kick. No brain, no pain:eek:

BTW, I think 28ga is a wast of time. I would rather have a 20ga any day of the week. Much cheaper to feed and you can just load light if recoil is not your thing.

PJR
March 9, 2006, 06:31 PM
I think 28ga is a wast of time. I would rather have a 20ga any day of the week
I thought that once as well until I spent some time shooting a three barrel set and compared. Within 35-40 yards there is nothing the 20 can do that the 28 can't and do it with less recoil. Beyond 40 yards and I'll reach for my 12.

TrapperReady
March 9, 2006, 06:45 PM
It would be first on my list of guns to buy if it ever came out.


If Beretta comes out with a 391 28ga, I guarantee I'll order one within 10 minutes after I find out.

berettashotgun
March 9, 2006, 08:00 PM
I 'd buy the beretta before your ten minute time limit. I found some dove/quail 28ga loads at CDNN for a reasonable price and bought a thousand- besides I reload, shoot a 10ga/ 7MM STW/ 284win/ and shoot alot of 270 win rounds. Oh yeah, I bought a remy 28 last night for $600 (delivered), 6 shell thru it, no scratches. I think I might get a Charles Daley anyways, stopped by wally world today and looked at a 20 ga , MADE IN TURKEY, and it is gas operated. $279 ~ Hmmm~ got a birthday coming up and need to start dropping some hints. What is anybody using for choke on doves? I currently use a beretta lt. mod factory extended with #8 and have acceptable sucess with my 686, but that thing got awfully heavy quail hunting this year and blowed the crap out of'em; that's why I'm going to the 28.

azflyman
March 9, 2006, 10:28 PM
Now ya'll got me thinking I am missing something. I may have to try another 28ga just to see. I never really have lost money on a gun and probably never will; I don't lose my mind when I see something interesting like some of my friends. I am patient, I will wait for the right deal. $600 for a 1100 would have been the right deal. The search is on.:banghead: Why do you guys do this to me?

az

sm
March 10, 2006, 01:56 AM
No secret I am a fan of the 28 ga.

kudu,PJR, Trapper and others have shared what I have shared and still do about the 28 ga.

I prefer a gas gun to teach new shooters, favorites are the 1100, Beretta, Browning Golds - usually in 20 ga.

28 ga in 1100 : I have used this for kids, new tyro shooters and even for the older folks. Great Gun for someone whom has had surgery of some type and many times Doctor's orders on the amount of recoil the shooter is allowed.

I'm talking detached retinas, back, neck, shoulder surgeries.

Many a "kid" got that 1100 in 28 ga, and many still use that gun. Sure they may have grown up and gone onto other platforms and gauges...but many still use them to teach...

In one case - I was on that last dove hunt a 90 y/o grandpa went on - and he used grandson's 28 ga 1100. And yes the fellow could shoot and did fell doves.

Get a reloader.

One cannot put a value on a kid, much less anyone being able to participate in shooting safely and/or being to shoot comfortable again.

I know too many people from this board that have changed their minds about the 28 ga and wondered why they did not consider one sooner.

I used a 3 bbl Citori set in competition...sure did use them 28 ga bbls a lot. In fact I often shot all 3 gauges using the 28 ga...had to use the .410 for the little critter event.

Been a few folks that due to whatever illness or surgery - the only gun they could use if need be other than a .22 rifle was that 1100 in 28 ga.

Comforting - like Cooper says...not always comfortable.

Bruised wallets recover just fine...

I used to buy NIB 1100 for $159. Meaning guns hold value a lot better than some things one spends money on.

I paid something like $49 for my first MEC reloader, similar one today is about $109.
I paid $4800 for a one year old Malibu back then, with 11k miles on it.

The 28 ga I wanted at the last Tulsa show, was a model 12. $4800 for that one. I forget what these sold for new back when they came out.

28 ga guns are Great - Period. I like all the platforms, I feel a few more offerings in single shot versions need to come out.

I have no idea the number of 28 ga shells I have fired. I used to shoot about 20k of these a year easy...

There is a 28 ga 870 pump that has been back to Remington once for going thru, this one last count figured - 300k rds. We call it the "money gun" - it has amongst extra stuff, a trigger group without a safety.

Legal? sure - just like release triggers - just inform the RO and SO.

Gun still running, still breaking , busting and felling... teaching and some lessons are wallet flushes of others...*ahem*.

See the gun gots its nickname for winning money, especially shooting doubles. Excellent patterns, hard hitting as 28 gauges are, and the shooter does not get fatigued from the weight of the gun or from recoil.

This is important when long runs are made in shoot-offs...especially when shoot-offs run into 5 boxes. You read that right 5 boxes in a shoot off. There was Big money on the line ( and side bets were rumored ) $2000 a lot of money when a one year old Malibu sold for $4800 at the time.
:D

TrapperReady
March 10, 2006, 08:56 AM
The 28 ga I wanted at the last Tulsa show, was a model 12.


A true sign of a man of great learning and culture. :) :D


$4800 for that one. I forget what these sold for new back when they came out.


A bit less I believe. ;)

Larry Ashcraft
March 10, 2006, 02:28 PM
Same guy who had the Model 12 had two 28 ga Wingmasters (one of which now resides with me).

Here's a note on the 28 ga recoil: A couple of weeks ago I was shooting clays with Sandy's Baikal SXS sshhhhh, don't tell her and just as one clay was in my sights, I realized the little gun was about 1/4 inch from my shoulder. I fired anyway, and the little gun didn't even touch my shoulder. :D

sm
March 10, 2006, 05:47 PM
I keep hoping all these kids that have adopted me as Uncle over the years would just chip in and get "Uncle Steve" something like a Model 12 in 28 ga.

"But Uncle Steve I want to be a Doctor and help people when I grow up."

I do not think she bought the idea there is a disease and I have the symtoms of said disease and the cure is a Model 12 in 28 ga. :D


Trapper - thanks for kind words. Yeah I kinda figured they orginally sold for a 'tad' less. ;)

Larry,

Exactly my point on recoil.

We had a number of folks with physical limitations as mentioned before. Detached Retinas, shoulder, backs...etc.

Short courses were set up for 5 stand , These ladies and gents had a ball! Then Trap leagues were set up for "little critters" , Skeet was already fine for them.

1100 in .410 and 28 ga. were used. Some were not allowed to use anything but .410 for a bit under Dr. orders.

I and some others already knew how great and fun shooting with little critters were...you would not believe the folks attracted to these games and whom ended buying 1100s in 28 and .410 as a result.

We even had families get involved, I mean moms and teenagers who were not really into shooting...sure became addicted fast!

Familes shooting against families. Teenagers against Teenagers.

I even had little kids partner up with me using single shot .410s to shoot my low 7 targets.
"Don't blow it Uncle Steve - I have not missed any" :D

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