This is new (Gun/Knife)


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Echo Tango
March 9, 2006, 02:07 AM
A friend of mine sent me these, was part of a LEO warning document. Pretty interesting item. Do you think items such as this pose a hazard to LEO's?

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=36833&stc=1&d=1141887300

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=36834&stc=1&d=1141887300

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=36835&stc=1&d=1141887300


http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=36837&stc=1&d=1141887300

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=36838&stc=1&d=1141887300

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jashobeam
March 9, 2006, 02:24 AM
That thing is awesome!

GunnySkox
March 9, 2006, 02:27 AM
No more or less than any other small firearm/big knife poses a threat to LEOs. If the guy is close enough to jank you up with that .22, he's close enough to jank up your business with that big ol' knife, too. Moral being don't let people with big knives get close.

~GnSx

Telperion
March 9, 2006, 02:33 AM
The blade looks like a bigger hazard than the gun.

PlayboyPenguin
March 9, 2006, 02:34 AM
That is cool but no big concern over an ordinary knife. I know in tactical training we were taught that if an assailant with a knife was able to cross the 30ft boundry with a knife before you could pull your weapon the knife was going to get you every time.

Echo Tango
March 9, 2006, 02:48 AM
Playboy P Yea that was kinda my point in asking, I dont think this poses a threat, Lets face it, if the perp pulls out a big knife, I dont think the .22 is going to be much a S*** your pants producer.

Knob Creeker
March 9, 2006, 02:53 AM
That is really cool. I have always loved the James Bond type gadget guns; got to get one.

As for a danger to police, I donít think so. A lot of cops that saw a bad guy holding a big nasty blade like that would probably just shoot said BG. Even if the officer happened to be one of the good ones (who wouldnít shoot first), it would take a very lucky shot from that thing to seriously injure him. No sights, single shot, not really concealed because of that big conspicuous knife. Iíll face down that over a snub-nose 38 any day.

NOTE: No offence meant to any good, law-abiding police officers that might read this.

cosine
March 9, 2006, 02:55 AM
Does anyone know if there are some weird regulations regarding such a gun? Or is it treated just as a regular handgun?

Scottmkiv
March 9, 2006, 03:23 AM
It would be an AOW, because it can fire while looking like something other than a gun. That being said, it seems like a silly gimmick to me. I think a similar sized knife would be more dangerous. That has to be a little awkward, and weaker than a plain knife. I don't see the .22 without a barrel adding anything really.

cosine
March 9, 2006, 11:21 AM
Thanks, Scott. Now I've got another question: What does AOW mean?

Justin
March 9, 2006, 11:25 AM
Do you think items such as this pose a hazard to LEO's?


They should be banned for the sake of the children.

Henry Bowman
March 9, 2006, 11:26 AM
AOW + Any Other Weapon

Treated as an NFA item with all the red tape involved, but transfer tax is only $5, I believe.

mbs357
March 9, 2006, 11:30 AM
I want one. =o

Cyanide_357
March 9, 2006, 11:31 AM
AOW means "Any Other Weapon"... and is regulated under the NFA. However, AOWs transfer on a $5 tax stamp instead of the normal $200.

Additionally, AOWs are novelty items... like pen guns and this thing... or supper short shotguns.

I don't think this is of any threat to cops... I mean.. at least the ones had through the NFA paperwork. The knife is probably worse than the gun part.

Examples of AOWs:

Serbu Super Shorty:
http://www.impactguns.com/store/SER-SS12.html

GRAD Industries Knife aow.
http://www.impactguns.com/store/grad_info.html
http://www.impactguns.com/store/grad_internals.html

Headless Thompson Gunner
March 9, 2006, 11:41 AM
That knife/gun contraption wouldn't be very effective as either a knife or a gun. Better to have a good knife and a good gun as separate items.

Pretty cool as a toy, though. I always enjoy seeing the kinds of interesting and creative gadgets people can come up with.

grimlock
March 9, 2006, 11:53 AM
That's one heck of a bayonet.

MS .45
March 9, 2006, 12:30 PM
I can't see how this would present any danger that any other weapon would not(either a dedicated knife or firearm).

Double Maduro
March 9, 2006, 12:48 PM
I think it will make it easier to identify anyone who used it too stab someone. They would be the person missing their fingers.

The blade lock-release is on the handle and looks like it would be pushed by accident way too easily. I don't see any stop on the blade that would keep it from cutting of your fingers.

As stated above, I will combine some comments, "cute, ineffective, gimmicky, I want one".

DM

KaceCoyote
March 9, 2006, 01:05 PM
that AOW thing looks totally awesome, a .22LR tracer in that thing would be a riot!

cane
March 9, 2006, 03:00 PM
This isn't a new weapon, I've had one in my collection for several years. It isn't a very good pistol or knife, can't aim it, your thumb is in the way and the angle of the grip makes using the blade difficult. When I bought mine, it was not an AOW and I bought it directly from the factory. I don't think they are in production anymore. Guess this was the first time law enforcement has encountered it.

AJ Dual
March 9, 2006, 03:31 PM
I find it really unlikely that an AOW like that would make it into the hands of someone who didn't register and pay the $5 NFA tax.

Since we don't know the context of those photos, I'm guessing it was either evidence from a theft, and the police thought it unique, or the AOW owner ran afoul of the law for other reasons, and had it confiscated.

Unless it turned up in an estate and then had an "chain of ownership" by the ignorant, I just don't see NFA items that had initial lawful manufacture, sale, and transfer tax, making it into "general circulation"

cane, not an AOW at the time you say? I wonder if it was just barely pistol-shaped enough to escape the designation? Like the pen-guns that unfold into a traditional pistol "L" shape before they'll fire.

I'd take that .22 to any part of my body save the skull over a stab from that knife blade though.

KriegHund
March 9, 2006, 03:32 PM
The knife is way more of a threat than a .22. One shot with a .22 isnt much of a chance.

Chipperman
March 9, 2006, 05:30 PM
I think the best use of the gun portion would be to assist in extracting the blade from your victim. (although .22 would not give much recoil for that) ;)

SixForSure
March 9, 2006, 06:23 PM
I don't think they are in production anymore. Guess this was the first time law enforcement has encountered it. I guess that tells us how much of a threat they are.

Echo Tango
March 9, 2006, 06:33 PM
I agree they arent much of a threat. I got these pics from a LEO friend of mine saying isnt this neat. It was distributed on a LEO warning paper( the same one that has the pager guns and such)

I didnt see it as much of a threat so thought I would put it forth to you guys to justify my statement, I made towards him. He is claiming yea its one shot and its a 22 but its the one shot you dont know he has. Im saying its a 22, at best you might beable to hit with it at 5 feet maximum, and at that point im more worried about the blade part of it.

Overall its a neat toy, but thats about it.

John G
March 9, 2006, 06:37 PM
I know the action is open and all, and we can see the chamber is empty, but why take a picture with the muzzle aimed at someone's chest? :confused:

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