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.45Guy
March 9, 2006, 09:13 AM
Here she is, a 1917 Brescia TS carbine in 7.62x39. I now have an original TS stock on the way. All in all this may make a decent little rifle for the deer woods this coming year. Range report will be posted in the next several weeks, as I will be moving this weekend.:cuss:

http://www.geocities.com/usmc_1371_3/1Deer.jpg

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kfranz
March 9, 2006, 09:47 AM
Nice looking job you did there.

I do wonder though, how much it cost to make what amounts to a bolt action SKS.

MartinS
March 9, 2006, 10:24 AM
I like it. What is the barrel length? And what, exactly, is a 1917 Brescia TS?
Looking forward to the range report. Looks like she carries nice.

trickyasafox
March 9, 2006, 10:24 AM
thats pretty neat. is that C&R eligible? how much did it run you if you dont mind my asking?

.45Guy
March 9, 2006, 10:54 AM
Nice looking job you did there.

I do wonder though, how much it cost to make what amounts to a bolt action SKS.

I didn't do the work, or pay to have it done. I purchased it from a gent that was liquidating a rather enormous collection.

I like it. What is the barrel length? And what, exactly, is a 1917 Brescia TS?


17" from receiver ring to muzzle. Here is a pic of a TS:

http://www.geocities.com/usmc_1371_3/1Carcano91ts.jpg

db_tanker
March 9, 2006, 11:48 AM
I would be curious as to how the heavy x39 ammo works out of it...the stuff that Wolf is producing...

Does the barrel slug at .310?


I think a little scout scope would look good on that number...


Almost as bad as looking at nekkid pics of gals...ohhh!!!!

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.45Guy
March 9, 2006, 11:52 AM
I'll break out the vernier calipers this weekend, as of right now they are at the bottom of a box ready to move Saturday.:) As to the scope, I'll see what it looks like after I put the proper stock on it.

Selfdfenz
March 9, 2006, 12:22 PM
Who would thunk those stripper clips would have worked to boot..
Looks cool and handy
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.45Guy
March 9, 2006, 12:26 PM
I do wonder though, how much it cost to make what amounts to a bolt action SKS.

Quite a bit less than a Yugo. And to be honest the thing carries a whole lot better, and has an amazingly smooth trigger. Pending a range session, I'll definately put this in a whole different class than an SKS.

.45Guy
March 9, 2006, 12:28 PM
Who would thunk those stripper clips would have worked to boot..
Looks cool and handy


And it even feeds steel case Wolf without a hitch. I'm pretty danged happy with that.

AJ Dual
March 9, 2006, 12:46 PM
Carcano's and other Italian rifles have just never been as popular as Mausers, Mosin-Nagant's, Enfields, Arisakas, or any other number or popular military surplus bolt-actions from the previous century.

So I guess you sort of get a pass on your "bubbization". :)

If the rifle is worth more to you as a 7.62x39 carbine, it was worth it then.

Caliber conversions that make the rifle more shootable and give it new life aren't always a bad thing. As compared to those who butcher the stock and external appearance changes IMO. From your original post it sounds as though you bought the rifle already "sporterized", and plan to return it to it's normal appearance.

I inherited a P17 Enfield that was sporterized in the 1950's or 60's that I want to return to it's full appearance as well.

.45Guy
March 9, 2006, 02:19 PM
From your original post it sounds as though you bought the rifle already "sporterized", and plan to return it to it's normal appearance.


I do in fact plan on returning it to original configuration. And even with the $37.00 for a TS stock and furniture, the total cost is still less than a Yugo SKS. And well, it's something different.

.45Guy
March 9, 2006, 04:24 PM
I inherited a P17 Enfield that was sporterized in the 1950's or 60's that I want to return to it's full appearance as well.


If you have trouble locating a stock, there is a guy selling one on mwt.net here in WI.

trickyasafox
March 9, 2006, 11:27 PM
where did you pick it up? and again, is this C&R eligible?

.45Guy
March 10, 2006, 08:48 AM
Department of the Treasury
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
Washington, DC 20226
F:SD:FTB:FTB 3311
Mr. Rxxxxx Cxxxx
Address,
City and State redacted

Dear Mr. Cxxxx

This in response to your letter of November 17, 1997, to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), in which you inquire as to whether firearms which were actually manufactured more than 50 years prior to the current date are automatically considered to be classified as curios or relics.

As set out in Title 27 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), Part 178, S178.11, the term ''curio or relic includes certain firearms or ammunition which are of special interest to collectors by way reason of some quality other than is ordinarily associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recocnized as curios or relics, firearms must:

(1) Have been manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof; or

(2) Be certified by the curator of a municipal, State or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; or

(3) Derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare or bizarre, or are from the fact of their association with some historical figure, period or event.

ATF has previously determined that any firearm which was actually manufactured more than 50 years prior to the current date, automatically qualifies as a curio or relic and it is not necessary for such firearms to be listed in the ATF Firearms Curio & Relic List for it to be included.

You are encouraged to contact ATF for confirmation that a firearm qualifies as a curio or relic. We have frequently encountered instances in which individuals have incorrectly dated a firearm due to misidentification of the firearm, erroneous reference material, or for various other reasons. It would be unlawful for a licensed collector to received {cqt} or transfer a firearm in interstate commerce as a curio or relic if it did not meet the definition in the cited section.

We trust that the foregoing has been responsiveto your inquiry. If we may be of any further assistance, please contact us.

Sincerely yours,

Edward M. Owen, Jr.
Chief, Firearms Technology Branch

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