I am just wondering what is the worst gun you have either gave or have been given.
When I was 17, my uncle gave me an old Essex Shotgun. He made a big deal out of it and liked to point out that the barrel was bent about 30° when some previous owner whacked a tree when he got angry. The barrel was bent back roughly straight but it still had a kink to it. My uncle said when I shoot it, use light loads and the aim was off by about 5 feet at 10 yards out. ??????
My uncle wasn’t a novice. He was an avid hunter, collector and successful businessman. He would own between 20-25 NICE guns at any given time. You know those nice “collectors editions” that are advertised in American Rifleman? The ones that are usually gold plated and come with a glass display box. He had several of these. Money and knowledge were not lacking. I thought I was his favorite nephew.
The second bad gift was a Davis .380 from my older brother and sister about 10 years ago. Anyone ever shoot this beauty? I understand that they were a little short on cash, and they wanted to give me something, so I kept it. In this instance, it was the though that counted.
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March 9, 2006, 01:10 PM
The single worst gun I ever owned was a Stoeger Arms Luger in .22lr. It looked like some drunk guy took a hunk of pot metal to a grinder and worked it until it vaguely resembled a Luger. It looked better than it shot.
The worst gun I was ever given was my first shotgun, some sort of South American-built 20 gauge single shot. It didn't have an ejector, and you practically needed a plier to remove shot shells.
March 9, 2006, 02:03 PM
I got a sample "Luger .22" to try out ~1972. At 20' it shot into a 1.5" group. I then tried the Star I also had. Tight group.
Took the Luger back. Do not use red loc-tite to secure the front sight of a Star.
March 9, 2006, 02:05 PM
That sucks El Barto! You think you know someone...
March 9, 2006, 02:20 PM
I have never really received a gun as a gift and I am giving my first one here soon as a father's day gift (Ruger Vaquero .45 colt w/Bisley handle) so I hope he does not think it is bad. I guess people on here just need to send me some firearms as gifts and I will post which one is worst. A Ruger Super Redhawk .480 would really suck. If you want to "win" I would suggest sending one of those. :)
March 9, 2006, 02:44 PM
you people are so spoilt!
in england we arnt allowed guns. i would give anything for a gun to be GIVEN to me, even if it was crap. it would have to be big tho :D
March 9, 2006, 02:47 PM
in england we arnt allowed guns. i would give anything for a gun to be GIVEN to me, even if it was crap. it would have to be big tho
Sounds to me like it's time for you English types to overthrow your government by force. Trust us--it can be done.
March 9, 2006, 02:59 PM
I was never given a gun:( . The worst gift I was given was a bobble head doll that my god parents found in a cereal box.:rolleyes:
March 9, 2006, 03:11 PM
I was once given a sporterized Mauser in .243 Win... probably a $2000.00 gun... hand built by my dad... a year later I got a shot-out, worn, worthless High Standard Double-Nine Longhorn, worth MAYBE its value as scrap metal... of course, the worn out H.S. was dads first handgun, and the one i learned to shoot handguns with, so it's priceless to me...
nope... never gotten a "bad" gun gift...
March 9, 2006, 03:18 PM
I was given a single shot 12 gauge that would knock you down (I was very young) worst gun I ever had !!!! Still got it but do not shoot it.
March 9, 2006, 03:20 PM
I can't decide...
I got a Savage 24 in 22mag/.410. The gun was too heavy, the .22mag too expensive and the .410 too weak. Okay, I'd asked for it for my birthday.
I got a Fox Model B 12 ga. mod/full chokes. It was too heavy and kicked like a mule and I got rid of it after a couple of months. Okay, I asked for this one too. Too much gun for a 12-y-old.
My mother gave me my grandfather's little .32 Iver Johnson a couple of years ago. Rusted out and corroded and the cylinder will spin no matter where the hammer is. I didn't ask for this one. I didn't know she still had it in the cedar chest.
About 20 years ago my aunt gave me a .32 S&W made by H&R. It was like new, but shot like it was worn out and gets my vote for the one I dislike the most.
I think my father gave me my great-uncle's 1884 nickle-plated S&W in .38S&W, but I sold it for $50, and a new S&W hat and pin, and gave it all to my dad. That's what he'd paid for it at the estate sale. It was tight and shootable, but moderately worn from being carried everyday.
I wish I had my dad's Essex 16 ga., but he got rid of it before I came along.
(I've never given away a bad gun.)
March 9, 2006, 05:11 PM
My uncle always promised I'd get his guns when he died. He had a Browning Auto V, a Weatherby .30-06, an original Pennsylvania flintlock and about a dozen other really nice pieces. Unfortunately, he didn't put it in writing, so when he died my aunt sold all the really nice guns and gave me a rusted Winchester 12 gauge single shot and an Arisaka 99.
March 9, 2006, 07:04 PM
never been gifted with a firearm,darn it.
but i won the thirteenth prize in a
fire company drawing.
a jennings j22.
March 9, 2006, 07:31 PM
I thought I was giving a bad gift once....
Two years ago I bought my brother a Winchester 1200 pump. (That's part was just fine...) The problem was the disgusting "camo" job done to it. I bought it with the intention of stripping the paint off, but time didn't allow that. So, when I gave my brother the shotgun that Christmas, I told him, "Dude, I ran out of time, I'll pay for getting that bad paint off." His response, "Are you kidding?! This is awesome!"
Even today he brags about that shotgun. I reckon I got lucky... :)
March 9, 2006, 09:25 PM
The worst gun gift is no gun at all.
March 9, 2006, 09:39 PM
I was given a U.S. Revolver from my late Grandfather many years ago. It was a cheap nickel plated 5 shot in 38 spec. My father who was not into guns but allowed me to shoot this gun when I was around 12 or 13. Fired one shot and the kicked like hell and fscared the s--t out of me. Afterwards we found a 1" crack in barrel from the muzzle back. Still have this gun...my wife mounted it in a shadow box for me.
March 9, 2006, 09:52 PM
The worst gun gift I was ever given was a Ruger SP101 3" barreled 357 magnum, it is also my best gun gift since it has been the only one given to me. ;)
April 17, 2006, 01:40 PM
[B]A Quote from knowledgeable Nadeem:
"you people are so spoilt!"
"In England we aren't allowed guns. I would give anything for a gun to be GIVEN to me, even if it was crap. it would have to be big though. :what: :what: :what: :eek:
Correct me if Im wrong buddy, but this doesn't seem like the case to me. I own a Remington 870,12 guage kitted out for sporting and Practical shooting events,as well as for the purpose of inter-service matches.I also own a Saiga-M12 12 guage semi-auto shotgun,a Sabre-defence industries M4-A1Carbine(In straight-pull configuration.) and several other types-in several calibres.It's only standard-handguns and standard-assault-weapons that were prohibited in 1988/1989, along with standard hanguns later in 1997/1998.Strangely though straight-pull assault-rifles and other assault-carbines aren't included on the banned list-much to our pleasure and satisfaction.:) :)
What part of England are you from, - in what reality?,because although things are pretty tough here, there is no actual total firearm-ban that stops us from owning all types of guns.The only types that are banned,are those listed as Section 5 weapons, ONLY.
My advice to you is, go online and research the UK firearm-laws properly, before you start telling American posters and other posters, from other nations-what our firearm restrictions,actually are-and YES I am from and I live in England.
I suggest that you MUST go online and research our firearm-laws in the UK and please drop England-when you mention firearm-laws over here as well,because these laws applies to the Scottish and Welsh shooters as well-because they are part of the UK,which makes them UK citizens,as much as the English.
If what you said was true there would be an almighty rumble in Blairs backyard from US veerrrry peeved shooters.:cuss:
We would not be very happy if we are to have the same restrictions as the Japanise,although it might happen.
So please do your research before you post again.It is not very clever to post untrue facts about laws you are ignorant of,because other posters from other nations might check them out properly and also current and former UK residents(Who are now living abroad) who are active members of this forum and know alot more about the UK firearm-laws, than you obviously do at present-(Is it because they like myself actually own guns and you do not,eheh?).So to post another one of your ignorant posts might make you look foolish in front of many other posters.SORT IT OUT MAN!!! AND THINK BEFORE YOU POST!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is this reminiscent of poster vindi C
-to all of you other posters out there?
April 17, 2006, 04:06 PM
Never had a bad gun given to me. inexpensive, yes, but not bad.
Savage .22 semi-auto x2
HR Topper .410 single shot
Ruger GP 100
Nope, not a single bad one in the bunch, although I did trade a Bryco .380 for a like new uniform shirt one time......I still think I got the better end of that deal.
April 17, 2006, 04:38 PM
Quote from Lobotomy Boy:Sounds to me like it's time for you English types to overthrow your government by force. Trust us--it can be done.
Yes, that certainly seems like a good idea, its just this time round we have do deal with weak polititions who appease the antis soooo much and are afraid that if they support us then the antis will stop voting for them and vote in the LIBERAL DEMOCRATES-SORRY DEMOCRAPPS:barf: :barf:.rather than soppy Imperialists that were kicked out of America by its angry population.
Its time we made a battering ram and battered down no.10 Downing Street and removed Blair from his official residence and sent him by airfreight to the USA,for conditioning-by teaching him the ways of the 2nd Amendment and getting him to try out all of the UK-prohibited weapony-so that on his return he will change the laws-for good and put the antis in their humble place-IN THE TRASH CAN OR REJECT BIN.
The UK is supposidly the USAs closest European ally,so this conditioning-service will benefit us in the long-term.
By the way Lobotomy Boy,what I have posted is the truth about our laws, so don't believe anyone who says, "In England we aren't allowed guns".Check out other UK citizens posts(Including my own and others both currently living in the UK or abroad.)for your information in the future.
Thanks for reading
April 17, 2006, 05:04 PM
"Bad" gun gift? Sheesh - I was given a Mosin M-38 a couple of years ago - love that old mule kicker! Was given a Yugo SKS recently, and love it as well. The truely bad guns I have had I went out and spent my own stupid money on...:uhoh:
April 17, 2006, 05:06 PM
Gun and "Bad gift" are two words that should not be used in the same sentence unless it is - "Guns are never bad gifts"
April 17, 2006, 05:26 PM
Dad was given a Llama .22LR pistol a looong time ago by a 'good' friend.
Recently, my dad came into a mess of guns from a co-worker for a very low price (5 or so nice guns, globs of ammo, and a steel lockable case for $300.)
Now the pistol itself wasn't so bad...it jammed a lot, but it was still neat and fun. Like a mini 1911.
Now...old friend just happens to come over a week ago after a long time of not getting in contact with my dad (Trouble on both ends, they've been trying), and since he's a fellow gunny, I show him my dad's new acquisitions (Which are in my care since my dad moved to VA Beach...he doesn't trust the case to prevent theft.). We come to a Fox Model B...which the old friend says, "You're dad ought to give this to me since I gave him that pistol."
So after he leaves, I talk to my dad on the phone, and tell him what transpired. I told him that I'm sure he was joking, but my dad says the if he's serious to give him the pistol...
Turns out he was serious. He came back later and took the pistol with him.
Oh well, no real value lost. The Fox is worth way more.
Coincidentally, anyone know how much a Fox Model B is worth these days? ^.^
April 17, 2006, 05:49 PM
When my Dad passed in '96 I was given his old Revelation Shotgun that had a bulged barrel because no one else wanted it. My younger brothers bulged the barrel shooting reloads from someone they were in school with at the time. Since then I've found a new barrel and forestock and the old shotgun looks like a new penny. Money can't touch this one.
April 17, 2006, 06:00 PM
I love collecting and shooting classical weapons from ww1 to ww2-as well as modern weaponry- because when you hold these fine weapons-you are holding a piece of history in your hands.
I have had an interesting experiance with a Mauser K98,that was manufactured in the former-Yugoslavia in 1945.This little beauty is refurnished in places,quite cheap to obtain-compared to other modern-types-but is a real-mule kicker once you have loaded in the 5-round stripper-clip and fired the first shot and after four more shots your shoulder begins to ache and you find yourself with a bruised-sholder and the sights are out of your previous-zeroed range.So then you have to rezero the gun-before you shoot it again-to make sure that you hit your target.Other than that,a damn-good gun at a good cost-that I would never sell for the world.
I have fitted recoil pads on the K98 buttstock,to absorb the recoil from the rifle-once fired.I have also tended to wear sholder-recoil pads to absorb the recoil of other guns that can give one the bruised sholder.
Harry Paget Flashman
April 17, 2006, 08:04 PM
I was given an RG 22 short revolver by my brother-in-law in 1973. The only reliable thing about the gun was that when fired it would shoot most of the lead out in a 180° arc forward of the cylinder.
I gave my son-in-law a Makarov, CZ 50, Mossberg 835, Ithaca Model 37, Rossi .22/.410, Ruger 10/22, Ruger GP100 .357, Ruger P85 9mm, Walther P-38, CZ 52, Ruger Mini 14, Ruger Model 77 .308, SA 1911, Bersa .380, SIG 239 9mm, Ruger Old Army .45, Taurus Model 172 pump .17HMR.
I gave my nephew a Kimber Custom II TLE, 870 Wingmaster 12ga, Stevens 12 ga single shot, Winchester 1300 20ga, CZ 52, KelTec P3AT.
My future son-in-law (July '06) will probably get my Colt Series 70 Gold Cup, M1A, a Makarov, Bersa .380, Walther P22, a Taurus 6" bbl .22 revolver, CZ 75B, Enfield, K-31 Swiss, SKS, Sig 226 .357 Sig w/ a spare .40 bbl, S&W Model 36, Ithaca Model 37, a Stevens single shot .410 and a Walther PP .32.
April 17, 2006, 09:25 PM
Correct me if Im wrong buddy, but this doesn't seem like the case to me. I own a Remington 870,12 guage kitted out for sporting and Practical shooting events,as well as for the purpose of inter-service matches.I also own a Saiga-M12 12 guage semi-auto shotgun,a Sabre-defence industries M4-A1Carbine(In straight-pull configuration.) and several other types-in several calibres.It's only standard-handguns and standard-assault-weapons that were prohibited in 1988/1989, along with standard hanguns later in 1997/1998.Strangely though straight-pull assault-rifles and other assault-carbines aren't included on the banned list-much to our pleasure and satisfaction.
What's a straight pull configuration mean?
April 17, 2006, 09:49 PM
Harry Flashman, how old is your daughter and is she available? :what:
M1A and Gold Cup make a pretty good dowry by themselves.
April 17, 2006, 09:55 PM
Let's see... it's not the Schmidt-Rubin 1911 rifle (perfect bore)... not the Savage Mod. 24C "Camper's Companion" .22LR/20-ga.... not the 7.5" stainless Ruger Old Army...
I guess it would be the old stainless S&W M60 snub .38, since that was given to my wife. :D
Heh, heh. I've only heard of her grandfather's collection, and his shooting ability, in whispered tones. It says something when the above were the "extras."
What's funny is that the Savage was hanging up with the BB guns; it was handed to me when I was asking about one of the air guns. The Ruger was given to me by her aunt just because we always had a fun time talking and joking at family functions. I like feeling the Smith on my hip knowing that it was probably carried by the man 40-some years ago, in the very same holster.
April 17, 2006, 10:48 PM
"I love collecting and shooting classical weapons from ww1 to ww2-as well as modern weaponry- because when you hold these fine weapons-you are holding a piece of history in your hands."
This is why I love to go to the local gun shows. I always head straight to the military surplus vendors. The history that surrounds many of these type weapons (to me) just cannot be overstated. The stories of the triumps and struggles of man in the different era's of history never fails to impress upon me, the courage, sacrifice, and faith that entire countries showed to unite under a common cause.
April 17, 2006, 10:48 PM
I'm the only one in my family that is into guns. I never knew it but my Father has had an original Walther P-38 since 1944! I took him to the range 2 weeks ago and he had it with him. He asked me if it was ok to shoot and after a quick inspection we shot it.
When we got home I told him I'd clean it and give it back to him. He said keep it and pass it on to your kids!!
I have over 30 other guns. The P-38 will NEVER be sold and my 16 year old will get it when I'm older. My father is 80 and still manages to surprise me.
I have now started thinking about which of my guns will be "gifted" and who will get them. I'm thinking one of my grandsons is ready for my .22 revolver!
I'll make sure nobody can refer to me when it comes to "worst gun gifts".
April 18, 2006, 12:12 AM
Ive never had a bad one. I dont think of gifts as bad though. Unless I know it was just given to me without thought or something. I apreciate all gifts. I used to not and now when I look back a feel like an a-hole. I am a firm believer in its the thought that counts.
April 18, 2006, 12:56 AM
I'm not sure about this one.
Surprise gift from my X-wife.
She bought it for me with my last alimony check
I usually just ask people for reloading supplies, if they want to buy something gun related. That doesn't stop my parents from buying me underwear every Christmas, though...
April 18, 2006, 06:26 AM
What's a straight pull configuration mean?
As centrefire semi-autos are banned there, I would assume (using a bit of imagination) that these are semi-auto designs that have been built so as to not automatically re-chamber a fresh round.
One would therefore need to work the cocking handle manually for every round fired, hence, "straight pull".
Regards, T.S. (An ex-pat, living in Europe, where we thankfully don't have quite such daft restrictions)
April 18, 2006, 10:48 AM
My grandfather gave me a mid to late 1800s Smith and Wesson model 1 1/2. It's kinda my worst gun gift because although it's in decent shape to get a decent price but I can't sell it because he's dead now.
It's one of those guns that are old, you'll never shoot, you hate taking care of it, but it belonged to someone long before him and I'm sure it has history.
April 18, 2006, 11:16 AM
I know the next one I'll get as a gift, will be the one I don't want back, because it will mean my 86 year old stepfather has passed away. Pop took on raising two young boys, right after his first wife passed away AND he had just successfully raised three girls. He became far more of a father than my biological dad, (who still came around all the time, and got me into guns.), but his health is failing, his eyesight almost gone, unable to do almost anything.
35 years ago, he had to cross a picket line to feed his family, no choice. He bought a Taurus 38 revolver, and a box of 50 158gr LRN ammo. He kept that for years, never firing a single round, until I was old enough to shoot, and he let me test fire it. I discovered it was in bad shape, and sent it to Taurus to repair. To make a long story short, Taurus wouldn't honor thier guarentee due to the revolvers' age, and I was able to trade it in, with a cash wad, on a pristine Smith Model 10 Heavy Barrel. Pop was/is very proud of that revolver, even though he has NEVER shot it, either. It sits in an old police style rig under his side of the bed, loaded with Silvertips. I used to clean it for him once a year, and change the ammo, but I haven't been able to for a while.
So, when that revolver, which still looks like the day it left the factory, comes to me, it will be a sad day, a day to remember a man who flew in a C-47 on D-Day, saw an ME-262 buzz him, flown by a Nazi, and met General Patton personally. BTW, he said he was a jerk...
Oh, HIS favorite self defense gun, from personal experiance? Tommy gun.
April 18, 2006, 06:23 PM
sheepdip, how well does it shoot?
My grandfather told me he had a German mauser that he bought back in the 60s or 70s in the trunk for me. I saw him pull out a nice leather gun case and visions of execellant 98's were dancing in my head. Turns out it was a Spainish mauser that bubba had toyed with. The metal was painted black with saw dust and wood flakes in the paint. Lots of surface rust was present. A non-matching bolt that was dark brown with rust would hardly move. The handguard was gone and the stock was chopped off. To complete the look the stock had been roughly sanded---across the grain---with an uneven stain and poor varnish job.:banghead: :cuss:
To make matters worse, my grandfather thought that he had a real prize. I, of course, couldn't tell him better, so I let him give me this "great" gift. It's actually been fun restoring it though.:)
April 18, 2006, 06:29 PM
My sister in law is a real...well you know. My brother is a gun enthusiast and always wants new guns which makes her as mad as hell becuase she is an anti. One day she really pissed me off so I went out and bought some 300 Win Mag rounds for my brother, knowing he didn't have one and really wanted one. I took them to his house and gave him the shells in front of his wife and said "I found these cheap and know you want a 300 mag, so take your tax refund and get it, now you have the excuse you need." She has never liked me much, but now can't stand me.
Randy in Arizona
April 18, 2006, 08:24 PM
30-06 lover, At least she thinks she has a good reason now!:D
April 19, 2006, 01:21 AM
Nobody in my family is really "into" guns - a few family members own a few guns but they just "have them" - they arent gun people.
That being said since I have become a gun lover I have received two gun gifts. Neither are particularly expensive nor are they "fine" firearms but they are decent, useable guns.
My wife got me a Russian SKS for Fathers day.
My mother got me a Henry lever action .22 rifle for Christmas.
I really like both of them so I really dont have any horror stories.
Harry Paget Flashman
April 19, 2006, 01:43 PM
Kentucky Smith. My oldest daughter is 29, just got her PhD from Penn State and is getting married to another PhD in July. After 11 years of her college I am finally financially independent. Her getting married is just icing on the cake so I don't mind the dowry. Her fiance is a great guy and likes guns so it's a pleasure to give them/her away.
August 1, 2006, 11:47 PM
I received a whole bunch of guns from a friend before he moved to Alabama; he said he didn't want to move them all. Don't worry, he has plenty more.
Anyhow, after the trapdoors, Mauser, Enfield, Martini-Henry, Browning, Krag and Marlin came a gun I really and truly have no use for: a single-shot .410 H&R Topper. It is beat to hell, but that is hardly what makes it useless. Just want does a person do with a single shot .410???
August 2, 2006, 12:59 AM
You know Im not really sure what somebody does with a single shot .410......if you figure it out let me know.
Mines aH&R Topper as well, bought it because it was cheap (paid $42) and thought maybe my son might like it a bit later (hes 4 now).
Its was horrible ugly when I first got it.....heres the before picture:
My worst gun gift?
Would have to be my damn uncle swiping all my Gramps guns when he passed away and pawning them, they were supposed to come to me. Nothing fancy or valuable, but sentimental, ya know?
August 2, 2006, 03:39 AM
The only guns I've been given were an SAR-1 and a Ruger MkII, both from my second (now ex-)wife.
The only guns I've given away were an NEF 20ga single-shot to my former brother-in-law (1st wife's brother) for his 15th b-day, a Taurus 85, and a Beretta 3032 Tomcat, both given to my second wife.
August 2, 2006, 09:52 AM
To this point, I've only received one gun as a true gift, a Springfield Omega 10mm (it’s a 1911 frame with a 6” ported barrel and “linkless" Peters-Stahl upper) two years ago from my Wife. She didn’t want to get it for me, but the alternative choice was a sea kayak (and she really didn’t want to spend the money on that!). This is the gun that got me back into shooting regularly, so I certainly can’t complain.
Left to me by my Father was the first gun I ever shot, a 1959 vintage Colt Targetsman .22lr. This is a great piece that shoots like a laser. Original Colt holster too.
I have to agree with the others who have said “the only bad gun gift is no gun gift.”
August 2, 2006, 10:12 AM
Just want does a person do with a single shot .410???
Well, if you were my father, you would have shot scores of pheasants with it, after receiving it at a young age (Savage-Stevens, in hs case).
When my dad was big enough to use my granddad's JC Higgins 12ga, 30 full choked bbl, bolt action shotgun, he thought he was using artillery on the poor birds!
August 2, 2006, 11:46 AM
I think I have you guys beat. I have hunted and collected all my life with two gunsafes bulging at the seams. My new wiwe of 8 months heard me talking before christmas about contemplating buying a new shotgun for dove hunting.
I mentioned that I would like to go to a 20 or 28ga. from the 12 ga I had shot for years. (I had been using my favorite 12ga, a grade IV citori) and just wanted something a little lighter. Christmas morning she was so proud when I opened the box with the "Antique, yet wonderful condition" Westernfield, bolt action 20ga. with the adjustable choke, (that looked like a melon on the end of the barrel) What do you do though......
August 2, 2006, 12:28 PM
A very close friend of mines father just died, and she brought me 4 guns for "appraisal" (as her brother wants them as well). All needed some serious work, as they'd been stuffed in a closet for about 30 years. In return for the work, she said I could keep the old Model 8 Remington, in .35 Remington. Shoots OK but doesn't feed properly. Not in very good shape, and I have absolutely no use for it (due to vision problems, I need a scope, and finding one for these is like finding hen's teeth---then you gotta find a scope that matches). Being a "gift" from a close friend, I'm not comfortable trading it away (not that I'd get much in the present condition).
2 of the other 3 are of no great value (other than sentimental, as they belongsed to her grandfather, before her father), but there's an L.C. Smith there, model A-1 (734 made from 1892-1898) that's truly georgeous. Why couldn't she give me that one?:what: Actually, I'm kidding I wouldn't take a gun that valuable, from a friend.
August 2, 2006, 01:18 PM
I never got a bad gun for a gift but I can SURE tell you the worst one I ever gave. Trust me on this one folks, when you're girlfriend is expecting an engagement ring for Valentine's day, DO NOT, and I repeat, DO NOT give her a shotgun. No matter how nice it is or how much it cost.
August 2, 2006, 05:33 PM
hen you're girlfriend is expecting an engagement ring for Valentine's day, DO NOT, and I repeat, DO NOT give her a shotgun.
...unless you get a good running head start!
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