Listing Your Toys, Bad Idea?


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Robert J McElwain
March 9, 2006, 03:16 PM
I've noticed on this forum, and several others, that people like to list the guns they own, either in their signature or in specific threads.

Let's assume the Feds, house burglars, government gun-grabbers and various other undesirable types know about these forums. And some know how to hack into data bases or otherwise find your identity. Is it a good idea to advertise whats in your toy box?:eek:

Bob

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GTSteve03
March 9, 2006, 03:25 PM
Cold dead hands, etc. :p

In all seriousness, I'm not that worried about JBTs breaking down my door for the couple of rifles and revolver I own. And if a criminal is going to go to the trouble of reading THR, then finding out my address, then breaking into my home, I feel that unless I'm there to stop him, there's not much I could do.

So I don't let it get to me. ;)

Lennyjoe
March 9, 2006, 03:52 PM
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/p84eed7344a55c8906eb151d717f4f27b/fc154b26.jpg

Working Man
March 9, 2006, 04:00 PM
Well I would say if BG read THR and then pick a place to break into....
....they have been given fair warning to the consequences. :evil:

If someone is home that is.

made2cut
March 9, 2006, 04:12 PM
I've often thought about this issue too. I'm not as worried about the feds as I am the bad guys. Bottom line is I guess most everybody has something in their house worth stealing and the bad guys are probably better off scoping out coin collector and jewelery forums. Like the other guys said, if they break into my home while I'm home they are going to be carried out a might heavier due to the amount of lead in their bodies. ;)

carnaby
March 9, 2006, 04:16 PM
I guess they might come for my list :)

Black Majik
March 9, 2006, 04:18 PM
...here we go again..... :D

GTSteve03
March 9, 2006, 04:27 PM
carnaby, I just want to know where you got a pig catapult! :what: :D

loadedround
March 9, 2006, 04:31 PM
Is that why so many people don't list their home towns on this site?:rolleyes:

Dragoon44
March 9, 2006, 05:15 PM
Actually BG's with the skills to do what you propose arent going to waste their time looking for place to burglarize. when they can spend their time stealing credit card info, identities etc.

fourays2
March 9, 2006, 05:26 PM
I lost all my guns in a trajic boating accident

Lennyjoe
March 9, 2006, 05:37 PM
Is that why so many people don't list their home towns on this site
Guess that's a privacy issue for some. Not for me.;)

PinnedAndRecessed
March 9, 2006, 05:40 PM
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TrekkieFromHell
March 9, 2006, 05:51 PM
carnaby, GTSteve03, you better watch out, I have a scoped mahogany bent stick!

Mannlicher
March 9, 2006, 06:15 PM
I think of it as a goofy newbie affectation. I once listed about 40 different guns in my sig line as a spoof, and got a lot of flack for 'making fun'. :evil:

Rockstar
March 9, 2006, 08:04 PM
I've always thought that listing one's firearms in one's sig line is just a sign of immaturity. Can't imagine why anybody'd think that anybody else would care to see a list of firearms.

progunner1957
March 9, 2006, 08:07 PM
Is it a good idea to advertise whats in your toy box?
Bad idea, IMO.:what:

mordechaianiliewicz
March 9, 2006, 08:19 PM
I don't list my personal weapons. I have discussed weapons I own on the site before, but I believe it is a bad idea (just on general principle) to give a registry of your personal arms.

That being said, I'm not exactly worried the gubment is gonna know about us based upon what we posted here, and know what to look for on "The Day"

It will be all those Form 4473's the government has, and the dealer's bound books. :fire:

PlayboyPenguin
March 9, 2006, 08:21 PM
I am of a different mindset on gun security than some on here. I do believe in keeping your guns locked up and as inaccessible as possible but I do not believe all this cloak and dagger "hide them from the light of day or the bad guys will get them" stuff. It is just to fatalistic and conspiracy minded for my tastes. If you are going to enjoy collecting I think it is only natural to use, show to friends, discuss, etc. If not then why are you collecting? If it is purely self defense and you feel you are in that much danger then build a bunker and hide your armory there. In fact why not live in it...that would be safer than a house. It is true that someone with a masonry blade and some time can get into most anything but what do you think the odds of that happening really are??? We might as well be worried about being hit by meteorites. Most intruders are going to grab what they can easily and quickly carry away. Not stand around using loud power tools that they hauled in through the window or found in your garage. If you are really worried get a dog. My partner used to work for Protection One home security and the studies show that the NUMBER ONE defense against theft is a dog, second is a well lighted perimeter. :)

I actually just copied this from another thread asking the same question from last month. I think we are stuck in a rutt. :)

'Card
March 9, 2006, 09:57 PM
I think maybe I have a slightly different perspective on this issue.

I don't list my guns in my sig - because I couldn't possibly care less what guns other people have, so I can't imagine why anyone would care what guns I have.

DHFirearms
March 9, 2006, 10:26 PM
It really isn't an issue with BG breaking in as your guns should be in a 'SAFE' :scrutiny:

:D

cidirkona
March 9, 2006, 10:41 PM
Very few of my personal friends have even seen my complete list, none the less online contacts. Posting them in a public manner seems like a poor idea to me...

-Colin

Nashmack
March 9, 2006, 10:54 PM
Two of my 3 are on my person at any given time, and the third is usually within an arm's length away...MOLON LABE.

calzoom
March 9, 2006, 11:03 PM
Sheez, I only have time to read the message on the thread.

Don't get me wrong. I'm NOT condeming those of you who like gun list, sig lines and such. And some are worthy but after seeing them a couple times,,,,,,,,,?????????

My weakness is the Emoticons.
I think they're cute and there are so many these days. My fave today:neener:

Tomorrow is another day:scrutiny:

Stainless Chili
March 9, 2006, 11:16 PM
GTSteve03, good list.
A 30-30, a 12 gauge, and a 38 Special.


My real list? What if my wife reads it!



PEZ Full-Auto Dispensor
Enhanced B.O. "Knock-Down" Delivery System
Power-Fed Legume-Enriched Gas Discharge Protection Device

Lobotomy Boy
March 10, 2006, 12:01 AM
My real list? What if my wife reads it!


Ladies and gentlemen, we have our correct answer!

That is my primary reason. Also, the sheer number of guns I buy is a bit embarrassing. But I do prefer not to let the government or anyone else know exactly how many weapons I own and what those weapons are.

carnaby
March 10, 2006, 12:15 AM
Ha ha hah hah ha ha! :D

EddieCoyle
March 10, 2006, 12:48 AM
I think of it as a newbie thing. When I see one, I figure it's a new person (to guns) or a kid. I really don't care at all what your inventory is, nor am I eager to show mine.

Long sig lines are bad form anyway. I won't name names, but there are people out there (on this and other forums) with sig lines that are so long that even a one word post takes up half a page.

Unfortunately, many of the people with the full text of "Atlas Shrugged" as their sig also are the ones that post a ridiculous number of those one-word-that-adds-little-to-the-discussion-type posts.

Two other forum pet peeves: Posts with 97 mega-pixel pictures that stretch the whole screen to 40,000 pixels wide so that you have to scroll left and right just to read the subsequent posts, and posts with horrendously long hyperlinks that do the same thing. Again, bad form.

However, the main reason that I don't put a list into my sig line.....

I'd have to change it about six times per week.

Nashmack
March 10, 2006, 12:53 AM
You can buy/sell firearms more than once a week in Mass?:what:

EddieCoyle
March 10, 2006, 12:55 AM
You can buy/sell firearms more than once a week in Mass?:what:

I can buy as many as I can afford and carry home, anytime, without waiting.

Nashmack
March 10, 2006, 12:58 AM
Are you a dealer by any chance?

EddieCoyle
March 10, 2006, 12:59 AM
Are you a dealer by any chance?

Nope. Just a dedicated consumer.

Nashmack
March 10, 2006, 01:06 AM
Good to hear. Now if the state of Mass would just let ya'll have CCW permits for $10 like NH....

springerman05
March 10, 2006, 01:07 AM
oh man carnaby i'm going to have to look in on the prices of pig catapults these days :D

EddieCoyle
March 10, 2006, 01:12 AM
Good to hear. Now if the state of Mass would just let ya'll have CCW permits for $10 like NH....

Yeah, well you can't have everything. I make up the extra $90 by buying cheap booze and cigarettes in NH.

outofbattery
March 10, 2006, 01:33 AM
A couple of friends of mine are Customs and DEA agents so the Fed's have an inside line on me even if they don't really check all those 4473's or keep track of the number of times I've been pinged for buying multiple guns in one day.When I moved to MA the helpful gentleman at the Criminal History System Board told me that I didn't have to register the guns I brought into the state just that it was helpful in case they were ever stolen,but they know about the 20 some guns I've added to the collection from dealers here in MA anyway so WTH,and I've been a good boy about sending them in an FA-10 when I've found good deals up at Kittery.I've shot with pretty much every LEO on the island at some point in time,even let a fair few of them borrow guns,not to mention that this place is just too small to not know everybody so yeah, The Man already has a pretty good idea of what guns I have and other than wanting me to come shoot with them,they don't really seem to care,unless I buy something new and don't let them try it out.

If some thief decides to target me,as opposed to the countless people on here who have larger and more valuable collections or the God only knows how many gun stores he'll pass on his way out here,and can figure out who I am and where exactly I live,and find the place - as UPS and Fedex can't- I still wouldn't worry much as he'd be one of the dumbest crooks in the world for expending that much energy for nothing he couldn't steal much closer to home.If I posted under an actual name and location and had a collection that didn't just fit in one safe ( we had to remove 2 doors and casings to get the safe in the basement so they'll be here for a bit getting it back out ) then I probably wouldn't advertize just like if I had a car worth stealing I probably wouldn't post who I am and where I live on automobile message boards.

PinnedAndRecessed
March 10, 2006, 02:57 AM
I am of a different mindset on gun security than some on here. I do believe in keeping your guns locked up and as inaccessible as possible but I do not believe all this cloak and dagger "hide them from the light of day or the bad guys will get them" stuff. It is just to fatalistic and conspiracy minded for my tastes. If you are going to enjoy collecting I think it is only natural to use, show to friends, discuss, etc. If not then why are you collecting? If it is purely self defense and you feel you are in that much danger then build a bunker and hide your armory there. In fact why not live in it...that would be safer than a house. It is true that someone with a masonry blade and some time can get into most anything but what do you think the odds of that happening really are??? We might as well be worried about being hit by meteorites. Most intruders are going to grab what they can easily and quickly carry away. Not stand around using loud power tools that they hauled in through the window or found in your garage. If you are really worried get a dog. My partner used to work for Protection One home security and the studies show that the NUMBER ONE defense against theft is a dog, second is a well lighted perimeter.

Paragraphs are your friends.

carnaby
March 10, 2006, 03:05 AM
Here's the beauty now

http://vger.aa.washington.edu/triplett/images/pig_cat/pig_cat_3.jpg

http://vger.aa.washington.edu/triplett/images/pig_cat/pig_cat_2.jpg

http://vger.aa.washington.edu/triplett/images/pig_cat/pig_cat_1.jpg

Don't be too jealous. :)

My bent stick is at the smith, I'll post picks when I get it back :p

outofbattery
March 10, 2006, 03:49 AM
I don't think I'd post that.It looks to me like you've got a catapult capable of firing more than one oinker per per pull of the trigger and I know for a fact that's a post 86 model Multiple Swine Destructive Device,short barrelled to boot :scrutiny:

redneck2
March 10, 2006, 07:30 AM
Man, you should have never posted those pix

now the ATS is going to be after you...

bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Swine

Lobotomy Boy
March 10, 2006, 09:47 AM
This thread has made me think. I've never put a sig line in part because, as a writer, I have a fairly high profile in certain niche markets and I like to protect my privacy. On the other hand, I like to earn money so I can buy more guns. I've decided to include a self-promoting signature line, so buy the book in the sig line below. Thank you.

baz
March 10, 2006, 10:14 AM
Listing firearms in sigs? Haven't seen any in this thread. ;)

I don't do it because I don't have all that impressive of a list to post. And if I did have an impressive list to post, I wouldn't do it so as not to appear to be putting down those who do not have what I have. Oh, and I'm lazy too. That's why I don't have a sig of any kind.

It doesn't bother me that others do it, though. I don't know their motives, so I don't judge them. It is just not something I'd choose to do.

Robert J McElwain
March 10, 2006, 10:18 AM
I wonder what a former gun-owner in Australia or England would have to say on this subject.

I do recall reading some posts back then about an incredible number of guns being lost, stolen, sold, thrown in the river and just just plain misplaced about the time that the government passed the laws that made everyone safe over there.:rolleyes:

Bob

Remington788
March 10, 2006, 02:57 PM
Uh, you do know that when you type in all caps, it means you are YELLING.

Braden
March 10, 2006, 03:29 PM
I've always thought that listing one's firearms in one's sig line is just a sign of immaturity. Can't imagine why anybody'd think that anybody else would care to see a list of firearms.

I guess I've never thought of it that way. I list my handguns (all two of them) for the benefit of others. I can't count the number of times where someone has PM'd me saying, "Hey, I notice you have a G22. What do you think about..."

I guess I'll have to rethink that. Then again, maybe I like it the way it is.

B36
March 10, 2006, 03:30 PM
IMO, Yes, very bad.:uhoh: :uhoh:

Why:confused: would anyone want to tell others what they have?

saberstitch
March 10, 2006, 03:32 PM
Those aren't caps.....it is just a larger font size. It wouldn't be yelling, more like speaking loudly......

GTSteve03
March 10, 2006, 03:47 PM
GTSteve03, good list.
A 30-30, a 12 gauge, and a 38 Special.
Thanks. I thought I had most of my bases covered, however I seem to have developed surplus rifle-itis and my 30-30 is being traded for a Swedish Mauser. :o

I may just end up taking my humble list off my sig. I thought this was a firearms-related forum, and I felt that my list, along with many others, was a good way for people interested in firearms to see what other people collected. Kind of like gun window shopping or whatnot. But it appears that people view this as somehow "immature" or "annoying."

I don't want to offend anyone or appear childish, so I guess I just need to grow up and take it down. :scrutiny:

kfranz
March 10, 2006, 03:49 PM
I'm with the group that just doesn't really give a crap what someone else has, and can't for the life of me understand why anyone would be interested in what I've got.

FWIW, my first thought on seeing those is "how the hell old is that guy, and why the hell does he think we care what he's got"... :smile:

22-rimfire
March 10, 2006, 03:50 PM
I am not one to list firearms in much detail. Few people actually know very much about my "collection" and I like to keep it that way. It really isn't much to write home about. But most here list references to individual firearms from time to time and you could read all their posts and put it all together if you want to take the time. I other aspect is that most of the guns are locked up anyway and you really aren't going to hide these things from the law enforcement or the Feds if it ever came down to that (in my opinion). I do think there is a privacy issue, but I'm not all that interested in detail what somebody else has or does not have. Afterall, you could make up everything if you choose to.

thorazine
March 10, 2006, 04:01 PM
Listing Your Toys, Bad Idea?

I would but I am just too lazy.

CajunBass
March 10, 2006, 04:59 PM
I was going to, but since I have a Hi-Point, I figured I'd get kicked off the board. :neener:

PlayboyPenguin
March 10, 2006, 05:05 PM
Why would someone care what you have? Have you ever had someone ask you how you like the car you are driving when they are thinking of buying one like it? Same reason with firearms. They are not cheap, they are non-returnable, so it is nice to be able to see who has one and ask how they like it and how it performs. I think listing it is personal preference. I do not list all mine but I do list my faves. I think it gives you an idea of what kind of person you are talking to also when you can see what their tastes are when it comes to firearms. Kind of like the old saying "you can telll alot about a man by the type of shoes he wears". :)

IllHunter
March 10, 2006, 05:10 PM
Just the proximity of the words makes my flesh crawl...I have spent time detailing my list and as it approaches completion, it requires modification, and the question of including all is always present and thus requires circumspection...discretion is the better part yada yada. And please never let her find it with the price paid column or value column revealed!

PlayboyPenguin
March 10, 2006, 05:23 PM
Blackberry,
BOO!!!
paranoid much? :D

Braden
March 10, 2006, 06:15 PM
Advertising your guns can only harm you, it can bring you no good.

Well...not necessarily. Say someone sees that I have a G22...and they just happen to have a bunch of G22 mags that they don't need anymore...so they contact me and offer to GIVE them to me just because I'm such a nice guy. That would bring me good...and it wouldn't happen if I didn't list my carry gun in my signature. ;)

Regarding thieves...I would think a thief would try to AVOID a house where they know the owner has and knows how to use firearms. There may be exceptions to that, but in general nobody likes to get shot.

Regarding my company knowing what guns I own, so what.

Regarding the government knowing what guns I own, so what.

To the people who don't want to know what guns I own, don't read my signature.

Now, if you own 75 guns and you list every one of them out for all to see then I would have to wonder what you were trying to accomplish by doing that. But, as is the case for me, if you're just listing out a couple of your favorites or your carry guns for the sake of being a resource to someone who may be interested in purchasing the same gun or who is having a problem with the same gun...good for you. :)

kfranz
March 10, 2006, 06:16 PM
Why would someone care what you have? Have you ever had someone ask you how you like the car you are driving when they are thinking of buying one like it?

Complete strangers, (and by and large, people who post on firearms boards are complete strangers) no. Coworkers/neighbors/family members/friends, yes.

I don't have a business card that lists the kind of car I drive, nor do I wear a sandwich board listing the kind of car I drive, nor is the type of vehicle I drive posted anywhere on my door. But that's just me, and I'm kinda anti-social that way. Of course, a quick look at the join date of a person and the number of posts they have generally give me a pretty good idea of what type of personality I'm dealing with.... ;)


If someone, especially on a forum like this, wants to know about experiences with a particular firearm, they generally start a thread titled

"Hey, what do y'all think about XYZ's model 123, I was thinkin' a gettin' one."

GTSteve03
March 10, 2006, 08:36 PM
Of course, a quick look at the join date of a person and the number of posts they have generally give me a pretty good idea of what type of personality I'm dealing with....
Wow... you know I thought most people on this board were mature enough to not judge someone on an arbitrary number such as post count or join date...

but I guess I would be wrong. I usually judge people on comments that they make, kind of like how I'm judging that I don't think I'll be paying much attention to any more of yours. :rolleyes:

dmallind
March 10, 2006, 08:57 PM
Ah yes another way to pigeonhole and condescend to people without taking the time to base judgments on objective data.

I do post the list. If I am immature at my age I'd take it as a compliment, but don't think I can make that claim.

I post a list for a few reasons. Partly because it helps people know whether I am speaking from experience when posting about, say Glocks, rather than parroting internet scuttlebut or what I read in the latest pseudo-hardcore mall ninja rag. Partly because it may (and in fact has) led to conversations of special interest to me about, as a case in point, smaller 1911s. Partly because I DO like to see what people own myself - primarily for the same reason I mentioned first in reverse - I prefer to read first hand experience when discussions are on guns I may like to own, but also because it gives me an idea of the overall firearms interests of the person posting. And finally I post a list because this is after all, not that you'd know it sometimes, a forum for discussing firearms, so by definition, firearams are on topic. Unlike sophomoric group-think amateur psychology, I might add.

If I really were insecure and immature, I'd fall in with the cool kids and "peer pressure" and delete the list in my signature.

Lobotomy Boy
March 10, 2006, 09:23 PM
I enjoy seeing what kind of guns people own, so I appreciate the lists. I really wasn't joking when I said my main reason was the possibility that my wife might read this. In 18 years of marriage, the only thing I keep from her is the key to the gun safe.

kfranz
March 10, 2006, 10:08 PM
Wow... you know I thought most people on this board were mature enough to not judge someone on an arbitrary number such as post count or join date...

but I guess I would be wrong. I usually judge people on comments that they make, kind of like how I'm judging that I don't think I'll be paying much attention to any more of yours

Plenty mature enough, thank you. I do judge folks on what they say. Two facets of that is just HOW MUCH they say and how fast they say it. Saying a lot and having a lot to say are not always one in the same. I'd point out the winking emoticon at the end of that part of my post, but since you won't be paying much attention...

Ignore me all you want, I won't care. Again that anti-social thing comes in handy... :)

Darn the bad luck, I went and tried to change my sig to list the stuff I could remember off the top of my head, and the silly thing wouldn't save. Told me I was limited to 554 characters....

kfranz
March 10, 2006, 10:37 PM
lessee how it works now. Ooooh, lookin' good... ;)

EddieCoyle
March 10, 2006, 11:53 PM
Nice sig. If you make it a little longer, we can fit one post per page.

Rafterman191
March 11, 2006, 12:05 AM
Mine are all guarded by..........


German Shephard (K9)
Pit Bull Terrier
Rot Weiler (laser collar)
Yorkshire Terrier (breath of death)
2 Tactical Hermit Crabs
2 HP Guinea Pigs SS

chrisTx
March 11, 2006, 12:28 AM
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/us-gonz.gif

Taurus 66
March 11, 2006, 12:38 AM
Let's assume the Feds, house burglars, government gun-grabbers and various other undesirable types know about these forums. And some know how to hack into data bases or otherwise find your identity. Is it a good idea to advertise whats in your toy box?

I'm not worried about the federal, state, or local governments knowing what I have. They can have the exact same things I have, but they cannot have what I have, if you know what I mean.

I could tell a thief I have guns and which ones, but I'm not exactly sure Mr. Burg's going to find any of them within the 2 minute time constraint. You see, 2 minutes is about how long he would have to comfortably grab all the stuff he wants before ADT notifies the police. He would definitely need a good half hour (scratching his head) figuring out just where I tucked these babies. At 3 minutes, deputies are already on their way. If Mr. Burg is still inside my house at the 6 minute mark, he will likely be trapped inside or run outside and face arrest.

It's ok for me to advertise. Yep.

fantacmet
March 11, 2006, 02:58 AM
My sidearm is ALWAYS in a safe. Either right next to the bed, in a holster on my hip or in my hand. As for what happens when someone tries to take it? Heh. DITTO!

Rev. Michael

Cosmoline
March 11, 2006, 03:18 AM
Molon labe

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/arsenalsmall.jpg

Nematocyst
March 11, 2006, 04:12 AM
As for the gubmint, they've got records on all my current guns (filed when I bought them). :cool:

As for BG's, please note that my address has recently changed.
The new address is: 2356 Blueberry Ln, Coos Bay, OR. :rolleyes:

To those who dislike reading gun lists in sig lines, don't. ;)
(At least I put all mine in a single line so they don't take up much space. :neener: )

Nem

Nematocyst
March 11, 2006, 04:28 AM
Members of this thread might find this one (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=188173) interesting.

Nem (who usually suppresses his sig line after the first post in a thread)

PlayboyPenguin
March 11, 2006, 04:32 AM
That whole story is a farce. They are just creating a false scenerio to try and make legal gun owners out to be a liability to the safety of others. They cite one case from 3 yrs ago and even that one does not show evidence that he was singled out because of his weapons. It is just a way to make gun owners into pariahs and make them feel like they have to be quiet about their guns and therefore not be a positive voice for gun ownership.

Lobotomy Boy
March 11, 2006, 10:06 AM
Any BG would have to get through my dogs to get to my gun safe anyway. The Rottweiler is a sweet, good-natured dog, but he turns into Cujo if someone comes in the house unannounced. The borzoi isn't the brightest critter on earth and even better natured than the Rottweiler, but when the Rottweiler goes Cujo, she joins in. When she goes all Cujo, she transforms from big and goofy to big and terrifying. She stands 35 inches tall at her hips, and when she is in attack mode you understand why the Russians used these dogs to hunt wolves and bears. I suspect that I'd have to clean up burglar poop off the carpet.

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