(VID) Guy robs wrong store


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keitharsis
March 10, 2006, 01:47 PM
musta' somehow missed it..... Sorry for the duplicate

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The-Fly
March 10, 2006, 02:12 PM
Big time dupe, this has been all over the place.

medic_guns
March 10, 2006, 02:33 PM
where is the vid???

sturmruger
March 10, 2006, 02:49 PM
Look under Stratedgies and Tactics or check out



This is a large file I would right click on the link and select "Save As"
some guy added music to this which makes it kind of corny.

http://ranch.bz/misc/shootout.wmv

thorazine
March 10, 2006, 02:55 PM
I clicked the link and it wants my credit or debit card information! :cuss:

Brad Johnson
March 10, 2006, 02:56 PM
Nice example of what not to do. Shooting with a baby almost directly in the line of fire.

Good intentions, poor judgement.

Brad

sturmruger
March 10, 2006, 03:07 PM
You must not have followed the directions. You need to right click on the file.

medic_guns
March 10, 2006, 03:18 PM
MMQB says, 'bad shoot, too close to little girl, blah, blah, blah."

You weren't there. You don't know, dude. I say, good shoot. That dirtbag could have grabbed that little girl and shot her in one second. Always someone coming along later with that BS. Man, shut up about it.

AJ Dual
March 10, 2006, 03:32 PM
The shooter is "RooftopVoter" and he posts over on www.gunsnet.net .

You can search his story up there. The robber had a .45 colt revolver. IIRC RooftopVoter was carrying a compact Glock .40 loaded with Golden Sabers. He shot the perp four times, and he fell in the doorway out of sight of the camera.

The story is getting attention on all the gun boards now, because the perp's trial ended when he plead guilty and took a deal from the DA. And he can now go into specifics of what happened. RooftopVoter was not charged, and said all his experiences with the DA's and the Police were very positive. They were very happy he took him out. He received his gun back in good condition once the trial ended, the only reason they kept it was that it was evidence against the perp in his trial.

Aside from working at the hotel where the attempted robbery took place, he is also a CCW instructor in his state.

The woman with the child was not in his immediate line of fire, according to him, they were at least one yard to the side, the angle of the security camera just makes it look like she was in the way. Also, range safety/etiquette is one thing, when it's your life, you take the shot you have. She was very thankful.

Since then, that woman has actually contacted RooftopVoter about CCW training and getting her own permit!

Not shabby...

Rooftop Voter attended the trial of the armed robber as he was to be called as a witness. (never took the stand because of the plea deal...) He wore a Glock shirt to court. (Now that takes some stones... LOL!) He didn't know it at the time, but he was sitting just a few feet away from the robber's family. He hadn't been identified yet, but when the DA mentioned something like: "...And when one of the victims working the counter, Mr. RooftopVoter, drew his legally carried Glock .40 handgun and fired four times..." He could hear the entire family turn, and he could feel their eyes on him. He didn't mention the perp's family being overtly hostile though. I get the sense they were mostly in shock the perp did it in the first place.

The saddest thing is that the perp/robber had no priors. He was actually a college student at the time. He's going to be in his mid-thirties when he gets out of prison.

sturmruger
March 10, 2006, 03:35 PM
Thanks AJ for the excellent summary of the situation.

usmarine0352_2005
March 10, 2006, 03:35 PM
I'm with MEDIC GUN:

If you weren't there, it's hard to judge. Angle's look different from cameras and where the people actually are.

Looks like it turned out good......and that's a POSITIVE for CCW and the 2nd Amendmant.

All I can say is: To bad the bad guy isn't dead. He might get out and do it again. I thought a crime w/ a gun was an automatic 10 years in some states or something like that.

Anyone know about this?

Azrael256
March 10, 2006, 03:42 PM
He might get out and do it again. Somehow I doubt that. Sure there are criminals who are just *that* crazy and will continue to rape and pillage until they're put down for good, but something about having to eat through a straw because you've been shot four times... At least I hope he got the point.

Anybody know about recidivism among criminals who were seriously wounded by their victims?

Dan0076
March 10, 2006, 04:28 PM
Anybody know about recidivism among criminals who were seriously wounded by their victims?


Now that would be a worth while study!

springerman05
March 10, 2006, 04:42 PM
it is interesting and smart the way he used the second clerk as a cover for him to draw his weapon.

Hypnogator
March 10, 2006, 06:12 PM
RooftopVoter was not charged, and said all his experiences with the DA's and the Police were very positive.
So much for the inevitability of your being charged for defending yourself.:rolleyes:

He didn't mention the perp's family being overtly hostile though. I get the sense they were mostly in shock the perp did it in the first place.
Dirtbags aren't always descended from dirtbags. Sometimes they manage to achieve that status on their own. Wonder if RooftopVoter will now face the dreaded civil lawsuit that we've been conditioned to believe is also inevitable?:uhoh:

The saddest thing is that the perp/robber had no priors. He was actually a college student at the time. He's going to be in his mid-thirties when he gets out of prison.

He should be worried about clawing his way up through six feet of dirt, rather than what he'll do when he gets out. I'm glad it turned out this way for RooftopVoter's sake, since killing almost always causes deep-seated psychological problems. I may be cold, but IMHO, you should only get one chance to endanger innocent lives. :fire:

CraigJS
March 10, 2006, 06:33 PM
Looks to me that in Minnesota, Rooftop Voter would have had possible legal problems. Hard to say it was self defence when the BG is running away.... The threat had ended. Can't tell from the camera angle how close the woman and kid was to the line of fire. Another possible strike against him from an over zellious (sp?) D.A. Glad it turned out ok!!
That music sucks...:barf:

NineseveN
March 10, 2006, 08:10 PM
Hard to MMQB that one, the angle is poor and I wasn't there....good video.

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