Veteran shot by cop: It's hard to walk


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PinnedAndRecessed
March 10, 2006, 02:39 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/10/airman.shot.ap/index.html

The 21-year-old Iraq war veteran seen in a video being shot by a sheriff's deputy says in a recorded statement that he has difficulty walking.

Senior Airman Elio Carrion released a videotaped statement through his attorney Thursday, a day after San Bernardino County sheriff's Deputy Ivory J. Webb pleaded not guilty to attempted voluntary manslaughter and was released on $100,000 bail.

"My physical therapy continues to progress and I still have difficulties walking," Carrion says, looking into the video camera.

"I'm sorry I haven't been able to speak publicly, but right now I'm focused on my physical therapy and healing."

The tape shows him sitting on a couch next to his wife and moving around with the aid of a walker.

The January 29 shooting was videotaped by a bystander and broadcast on U.S. national television. (Watch the shots being fired -- 1:00)

It shows Webb shooting Carrion, who was not armed, in the chest, shoulder and thigh after a brief high-speed chase involving a car in which the airman was a passenger.

Webb, who faces up to 18 1/2 years in prison if convicted, has not spoken publicly about the shooting.

Cops like this give LEOs a bad name.

BTW, let's avoid emotionally charged names, please.

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1911 guy
March 11, 2006, 07:57 AM
I hope the Airman's recovery continues to go well and is complete. I have just one question. Why is shooting an unarmed man who is on the ground termed "manslaughter" instead of "murder"?

Capital Punishment
March 11, 2006, 08:08 AM
1. That airman needs to chooose better friends. But I hope he recovers fully and quickly.

2. I hope the cop pays for his deeds, if he is indeed guilty.

OEF_VET
March 11, 2006, 08:09 AM
Why is shooting an unarmed man who is on the ground termed "manslaughter" instead of "murder"?

Most likely because it wasn't a premeditated act, done with malice. It was an overreaction to the situation. The deputy had just been racing through the streets at high-speed, with his adrenaline pulsing through his veins. He reacted to what he mistook to be a threat. While he was wrong, it's doubtful that while chasing the car he thought about shooting them in cold blood.

1911 guy
March 11, 2006, 08:43 AM
Thanks for the clarification. I'm sure it makes sense to the legal types, but shooting someone because you over reacted seems to cover a lot of ground. I've been in a few adrenaline inducing situations, but if you can't keep your head clear enough to use lethal force judiciously if at all, don't carry a gun. I'm willing to bet that if a CCW'er had a BG on the ground then shot him, the charge would be murder.

I really don't have anything against cops in general, but I do dislike the bad apples that get press and make me give a suspicious eye to the honest guy who is trying to make a living doing a sometimes hard and dangerous job. This guy just made life a little harder for every other cop in San Bernardino.

Ed 2001 SS
March 11, 2006, 10:16 AM
Most likely because it wasn't a premeditated act, done with malice. It was an overreaction to the situation. The deputy had just been racing through the streets at high-speed, with his adrenaline pulsing through his veins. He reacted to what he mistook to be a threat. While he was wrong, it's doubtful that while chasing the car he thought about shooting them in cold blood.

IIRC,

Homicide w/o intent, w/o culpability = no charges

Homicide w/o intent, w/ culpability = involuntary manslaughter

Homicide with "reasonable intent" (Eg. shooting the man in bed with your wife) = voluntary manslaughter

Homicide + Premeditation = second degree murder

Homicide + Premeditation + Malice aforethought = first degree murder

wingman
March 11, 2006, 10:18 AM
This is a speculation but I think the officer was frightened and had his finger on trigger, first round accident, next two were muscle jerks. Far fetched perhaps but I've have seen some weird things done out of fear.
Frankly I can see no other reason for what he did.

Furncliff
March 11, 2006, 10:24 AM
How long had this leo been on the job?

Lone_Gunman
March 11, 2006, 02:05 PM
I saw the video, and the range of the officer from the airmen seemed to be only a few feet. I hope that the stress of the situation is why the officer missed anything vital. Either that, or the airman needs to thank his lucky stars the officer is a bad shot.

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