I thought silencers were legal in 36 states?


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LAR-15
March 13, 2006, 04:00 PM
From a Brady Campaign 'fact' sheet:

A threaded barrel designed to attach a silencer, which is useful to assassins but clearly has no purpose for sportsmen. Silencers are illegal so there is no legitimate purpose for making it possible to put a silencer on a weapon.

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El Tejon
March 13, 2006, 04:04 PM
The Brady Bunch lie? I am shocked.:D

SIOP
March 13, 2006, 04:04 PM
I don't know about all states, but typical wording is something to the effect that they are illegal unless licensed by the federal government or something similar.

So technically the Brady's might be right.

cmidkiff
March 13, 2006, 04:04 PM
If you're getting your gun ownership facts from the Brady Campagn, you've got a minor problem... THEY LIE

Silencers are indeed illegal for us citizens in my state (MO), but that doesn't render threaded barels useless, compensators, flash reducers, heck, it's my gun, if I want to screw something on the end of it, that's my business, right?

waterhouse
March 13, 2006, 04:34 PM
SIOP might have nailed this one. I don't have it in front of me, but Texas lists them as prohibited weapons, and then states in a subsection that "it is a defense to prosecution" if you register it with the feds as NFA.

Or the Bradys are lying again.

Either way, I'll continue to enjoy my suppressed .45 (I've managed to avoid assassinating anyone so far.)

Molon Labe
March 13, 2006, 05:01 PM
…clearly has no purpose for sportsmenMy FAL, which has a threaded barrel, does not have a "sporting purpose." And I'm not going to give it one.

Hkmp5sd
March 13, 2006, 05:36 PM
BTW, only 13 states (I think) prohibit the ownership of suppressors...so it's 37. :)

Zak Smith
March 13, 2006, 05:42 PM
Hunting deer with a suppressor is legal in Wisconsin.

tellner
March 13, 2006, 06:20 PM
I remember an advisory from the Swedish Ministry of Health some years back about silencers. Shooters were strongly urged to use them on the range because of the harmful effects that unsuppressed firearms have on hearing. Seems reasonable to me.

nomadboi
March 13, 2006, 06:30 PM
Not to mention that you can get compensators that attatch to threaded barrels (can't get much more 'sporting' than IPSC), or restrictors (for film use with blanks)...

Sheldon J
March 13, 2006, 08:50 PM
along with full auto.:D Now I can shoot and not pi$$ of the neighbors at diner time:evil:

shooting time
March 13, 2006, 09:13 PM
Silencers are legal here in Ga.So are Full Auto guns as long as you have the 200.00 tax stamp

JesseJames
March 13, 2006, 09:38 PM
I was told that "silencer" was a misnomer. The more proper term is "sound suppressor".
I think we can all blame Hollywood once again for that one.

VirgilCaine
March 13, 2006, 09:40 PM
I remember an advisory from the Swedish Ministry of Health some years back about silencers. Shooters were strongly urged to use them on the range because of the harmful effects that unsuppressed firearms have on hearing. Seems reasonable to me.

An admirable example of socialist concern for public health.

444
March 14, 2006, 12:47 AM
Three of my suppressors don't require a threaded barrel.
So there.



Many guns are not designed or built for sporting purposes. Many people don't buy guns for sporting purposes. They buy them for personal defense: this isn't a sporting purpose.
Why don't we quit debating with these people ?
Ok, so it doesn't have a sporting purpose ? So what ? It doesn't have to. And, I don't care whether you like it or not.

boofus
March 14, 2006, 09:38 AM
If those crackhead liberals would bring their riots and NO JUSTICE NO PEACE chants to my neighborhood my MG and silencer would have a sporting purpose. :evil:

Do you think a taxidermist would mount ACLU cards?

The Viking
March 14, 2006, 11:41 AM
I remember an advisory from the Swedish Ministry of Health some years back about silencers. Shooters were strongly urged to use them on the range because of the harmful effects that unsuppressed firearms have on hearing. Seems reasonable to me.
Swedish eh? :scrutiny: You sure? Not mixing us up with the finns are you? Its a PITA to get a suppressor here. Requires a license, and you won't get one until after you've suffered hearing damage. The finns are more sensible (as always). Free for anyone to buy, and people are encouraged to use them. Be a good neighbour and such. I'm considering a relocation. Gotta learn finnish first though.

El Tejon
March 14, 2006, 12:30 PM
Yeah, perhaps you mean Swiss?:confused:

benEzra
March 14, 2006, 01:10 PM
You missed the most obvious lie of all:

A threaded barrel designed to attach a silencer, which is useful to assassins but clearly has no purpose for sportsmen. Silencers are illegal so there is no legitimate purpose for making it possible to put a silencer on a weapon.

Threaded barrels on rifles are almost always made for attaching muzzle brakes or flash suppressors, NOT SOUND SUPPRESSORS. Do any "sporting" rifles have muzzle brakes? Yesssss....

The Viking
March 15, 2006, 12:53 AM
Yeah, perhaps you mean Swiss?
Also possible :D. Someone on this board has a Swede K31 :D :D
Though I recall reading somewhere about finns being adviced to use silencers. Sensible people, them finns.

tellner
March 15, 2006, 10:59 AM
The news story was some time. I could have sworn it was Sweden, but you may be right about Finland. It wouldn't be the first time I've been mistaken.

In any case, it's a good idea. Regular time on the range has measurably bad effects on your hearing even with two layers of protection,

Riktoven
March 15, 2006, 11:41 AM
Not to hijack the thread, but does anyone have a link to a source discussing suppressors being made legal in MI?


I may finally get to 007 my P99.

Herself
March 15, 2006, 11:44 AM
...The problem with Finland is that the language is quite difficult. Some famous Finns have been unable to speak it well!

But I have always had the impression Finns were good folks, with perhaps a bit more common sense than is common these days.

--Herself

El Tejon
March 15, 2006, 12:54 PM
Unarmed, no fair making fun of American ignorance!:D

cidirkona
March 15, 2006, 12:56 PM
Is defending my family and home a sport? :evil:

-Colin

The Viking
March 15, 2006, 01:12 PM
Unarmed, no fair making fun of American ignorance!I see it as a fair deal...you mix up the countries in Europe, I fail to keep track of the US states. Deal? :D :evil:
The news story was some time. I could have sworn it was Sweden, but you may be right about Finland. It wouldn't be the first time I've been mistaken.
Hey, I would be dancing with joy if silencers were unregulated here...still need a gun to use em with though :(. Otherwise I would have to bash the zombies to, eh, re-death with it... :evil: :D

tellner
March 15, 2006, 01:32 PM
Unarmed, I saw an announcement a couple months ago for an antique arms auction in Sweden. I'll bet one of the halberds or two-handed swords up for bid would work against zombies. :D

The Viking
March 15, 2006, 01:46 PM
Unarmed, I saw an announcement a couple months ago for an antique arms auction in Sweden. I'll bet one of the halberds or two-handed swords up for bid would work against zombies.
I would feel so bad to use a fine old sword to bash zombies with. I'm thinking of buying a high quality replica :). Pricey, but I won't ruin anything of historical value if I need something when something goes bump in the night :)
Antique firearms (cap and ball) are exempted from license. There is an collectors show quite soon in my town, and there has always been this guy there who sells old blackpowder rifles :). If they are safe to shoot, I might get one, if my economy allows for it :). They are excempted from storage laws too I think, atleast one doesn't need a burglar safe cabinet for them :)

Deavis
March 15, 2006, 02:21 PM
Though I recall reading somewhere about finns being adviced to use silencers. Sensible people, them finns.

I bet you are thinking about Paulson's 1st book.

Herself
March 15, 2006, 02:29 PM
Unarmed Shooter to El Tejon: "I see it as a fair deal...you mix up the countries in Europe, I fail to keep track of the US states. Deal?"

See, this is the worldwide division of labor that makes modern economies work! But who will confuse which South American countries speak what langauge? That's got to be addressed! (What's Portugese for "Ballester-Molina?")

I sure do wish suppressors were easier to come by in the States; I like the local indoor range but on busy days, even double ear protection isn't enough!

--H

The Viking
March 15, 2006, 02:37 PM
I bet you are thinking about Paulson's 1st book.
Who?
Think it was on a forum, or a in a magazine. Probably a forum. Maybe THR.

Dmack_901
March 15, 2006, 02:54 PM
I laugh at the argment that supressors are soooo useful to assasins. They're completely unnecesary for that use.

Seriously, shoot a gun in your house. No one will call the cops, no one will come knock on your door. The sound can't leave your house, cross the yard, enter another, and still be louder than their TV. And even if the gunshot was outside, one shot would at most get a glance toward the street.

But, there's something much more insidious in these lies. It slowly convinces people that they should be banned, then that they are banned, and eventually they are banned, and by then no one knows the difference.

LAR-15
March 15, 2006, 03:50 PM
Has anyone tried to silence a blackpowder musket or rifle? :evil:

GigaBuist
March 16, 2006, 12:32 AM
Not to hijack the thread, but does anyone have a link to a source discussing suppressors being made legal in MI?

Here's the skinny (and I have verified this with an MI Class III dealer): The AG (Attorney General) Michael Cox issued an opinion not too long ago and sent it off to the ATF that essentially states that Michigan's license requirement for owning a machine gun was satisfied if MI residents had the Federal forms. Essentially giving the middle finger to the Legislative branch for enacting a licensing requirement but never creating a license, and reversing the AG opinion from 1977.

Previously in Michigan you could get a machine gun, but you had to have a C&R (Curio and Relic) license and the firearm had to be C&R.

By stating that the Federal tax forms qualify as a license the supressores get legitimized because they're also in the same section of the law. No luck with SBRs (Short Barreled Rifles) or SBSs (Short Barreled Shotguns) though. They're off in a seperate section.

The paperwork has been sent off to the ATF as as if Jan 28th I think it was legal to buy a MG in Michigan. However, the ATF said that they weren't sure if this reversed the MI position on sound supressors, so, according to the Class III dealer guy: "Even though he shouldn't have to, Cox is going to send a clarification to the ATF that surpessors are qualified" or something to that effect. I wasn't take notes, but that was the jist of what he said.

I may finally get to 007 my P99.
Funny... the first thing I supress will likely be my P22. :)

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