I am going out of my freaking mind! I need advice on a getting a Fal.


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flip180
March 13, 2006, 06:01 PM
I have a real bad hankering to buy a Fal. I've been looking at the DSA's especially and have found some real nice used ones on the net that are still over 1000.00 used. I know there is a 6-8 week wait for a new one which will cost in the 1500.00 range but. I am going nuts. I want to know. Are they worth it?. I love the way they look and I like the caliber. I got rid of my AK which I hadn't shot in two months even though I had 800 rounds at the house. I don't want to spend 1000.00 plus on a more expensive version of the old AK. I need help. BTW, I have the money:evil: .

Flip.

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kfranz
March 13, 2006, 06:45 PM
Only you can say if it is worth it....

The FAL is a nice rifle, and I have 3. I wouldn't pay DSA prices though.

Watch the falfiles, you should be able to get a used version built by a reputable smith for ~$800

Chuck R.
March 13, 2006, 07:12 PM
ďWorth itĒ is pretty subjective, and personal.

Iíve got a DSA SA58 that I ordered direct from DSA so I saved a few bucks, still came in at close to $1100. Itís turning into a money pit though because then came the DSA extreme duty scope mount and a Trijicon Tripower. It was good, but still not ďgreatĒ, so I added a DSA Saw Grip, and an extended safety. It was better, but still not quite right, so I ordered a DSA Para lower.

Now itís about right.

My rifle has been 100% reliable so far, itís reasonably accurate for what it was designed for. More importantly, itís a pretty fun gun to plink with. So I guess at close to 2K now itís been worth it. Iím not a big fan of military style rifles though.

A couple years ago I bought a custom .22RF Low Wall for just shy of 5K. I guess because to me at least it is worth it. Funny thing my wife gives me crap constantly about the silly ďblack rifleĒ and didnít bat an eye about my .22. I guess to her the FAL wasnít worth it.

Chuck

mmike87
March 13, 2006, 08:01 PM
I shot my DSA FAL this weekend for the first time. Aside from a few magazine relates issues, the gun performed flawlessly (with some mags, not others.)

I have the medium contour barrel, and shooting quickly and accurately off the bipod seemed second nature. Mine is a two-tome black and OD green, with the lower receiver being green and the upper black. It looks pretty cool, and shoots even better.

Worth it? Who knows. But I don't regret buying mine, for whaever that's worth. You get what you pay for, most of the time.

1911JMB
March 13, 2006, 08:44 PM
You can get an Imbel parts kit complete with compliance parts for 300 bucks. I don't know how much the reciever will be, but I imagine a good one won't exceed 200 dollars. I don't know too much about Fals, but it seems you should be able to build one for less than 600 bucks.

kfranz
March 13, 2006, 09:24 PM
Not right now you won't....

Serious dearth of receivers at the moment, and you ain't getting 7 compliance parts and a kit for $300 most days.

www
March 13, 2006, 09:42 PM
I had one of the clones offered by Springfield several years ago and was considering buying another one from DSArms recently . But then I got the M1A/M14 bug and lost interest in the FAL. They are fine rifles, I just found something that suits me better.

Bwana John
March 14, 2006, 12:48 AM
There are many FALs for sale on the FAL Files every day.
You wont go wrong with one built by AZEX, ARS, Moses, Slegehamer arms works, Mr Bonecrusher, Glen Riddle, or many other outstanding FAL armorers.

New DSA, or Imbel receiver-$400
Primo St G Parts parts kit-$400
Compliance Parts-$200
Assembly and park-$150 to $400

OR

Dirt bag Hesse Receiver $150
Worn out SA parts Kit $150
BF vise, BF hammer, BF pipe wrench and cheater bar, and Black BBQ paint- Not Recomended

Fingolfin
March 14, 2006, 01:23 AM
What is so complex about a FAL receiver that somebody can't fabricate a quality one for less than $400???*









*Same question applies to M1A.

kfranz
March 14, 2006, 10:55 AM
What is so complex about a FAL receiver that somebody can't fabricate a quality one for less than $400???*

Make it happen and you'll sell thousands.....

1911JMB
March 14, 2006, 11:50 AM
For a 300 dollar Imbel parts kit, complete with compliance parts, call 704-225-8843, or go to www.interordnance.com

kfranz
March 14, 2006, 11:57 AM
Last I checked the IO kits only include the furniture as compliance parts and even at that, the furniture was the crappy Century stuff. If things have changed, I'll stand corrected.

MDG1976
March 14, 2006, 07:36 PM
I am going out of my freaking mind!


I'm not so sure you should be buying an assualt rifle right now... :neener:

flip180
March 14, 2006, 08:57 PM
I let the auction end on the gun in question which sold. I have about 1300.00 burning a real big hole in my pocket. That came from selling off guns that I just don't shoot or need. My philosophy is that what ever money that comes from selling guns goes back into either guns or shooting equipment. I really think that this FAL won't get used. I know it isn't an AK and that it is much better but, I would not have any more use for the FAL as I did for the AK. I'm thinking that the money would be better spent completing the advanced pistol course at www.tacproshootingcenter.com. I have gotten more out of those classes than I did any firearm I've bought. I'm also thinking about setting money aside for their shotgun courses also. Out of all of the guns that I own, my glock and 870 HD have real practical purposes. They are there for me to protect myself any my family. That's is the direction I need to go in. I'm going to send off for the class tomarrow. That way, I'll be locked in and obligated (financially) to take the course. Thanks for letting me waste your time but, I have a hard time making up my mind.

Flip.

Deer Hunter
March 14, 2006, 10:46 PM
Buy me a gun, I promise I'll use it every day, and sometimes even twice! :neener:

LoadAmmo
March 14, 2006, 10:59 PM
I think what you need is one of these, and you can have one with a bit of patience. :)

http://www.dsarms.com/images/sa58mwtact.gif

dave5339
March 14, 2006, 11:13 PM
Buy the FAL! I traded for one at the Mesquite show on Saturday. Got the chance to take it to the range this morning and send some rounds downrange!

That thing is fun to shoot! Now I just have to wait for my almost 2K of South African Mil-Surp to show up.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/dave5339/IMG_0542_crop.jpg

Semper Fi

Vic303
March 14, 2006, 11:28 PM
Oh go buy a decent FAL. Then take an advanced rifle course with it! Your Glock & 870 are good for close-in defense, but you know you want an MBR! Buy one!:D

0007
March 15, 2006, 07:16 PM
Go over to www.falfiles.com and all will be well with your gun fu, grasshopper...

Nightcrawler
March 16, 2006, 09:47 AM
Everytime somebody asks what FAL to get, there's always a chorus of "build it yourself!"

Problem is, parts kits are drying up. And, say you can find a good condition STG kit. What if you don't want an STG rifle? What if you want a carbine, instead? Or a folder?

Maybe you have the gunsmithing experience to cut and re-thread a barrel, maybe not. (I don't.) Maybe you have the facilities to repark the thing, to make it look new, maybe not. Maybe you want a warranty with your rifle? You can, of course, send it off to many reputable smiths to have this work done for you, but that only adds on to the cost.

There's nothing wrong with a DSA rifle. They're the best FALs on the market, and their receivers are probably the best FAL receivers ever built. (Even the vaunted Belgian FN receivers were all cast after the 1970s. DSAs are forged.)

Yes, they're expensive. But price wise, they're in the same range as an AR-10 or a Springfield M1A, and people don't seem to be bemoaning the prices of THOSE.

Anyway, yes, you CAN build a FAL rifle. But unless you want a regular 21" STG type, you're going to have to get into some gunsmithing or order something else.

DSAs, as I said, are in my opinion the best. I've heard enough bad reports about Enterprise that I wouldn't buy from them, but you might have different luck. Weapons from Arizona Response Systems and Azex Arms have great reputations as well.

For a lower cost alternative, check out DSA's STG-58A Austrian FALs (http://www.dsarms.com/catalog-list.cfm?Category=04&storeid=1&CFID=6009991&CFTOKEN=73669890). That's the type that mine is. They cost two to four hundred dollars less than a standard SA-58, if you don't mind the steel lower and a surplus (but excellent condition) barrel. They're available in standard, para, and fixed-stock carbine versions.

http://www.dsarms.com/images/stg58catimage.jpg

New DSA, or Imbel receiver-$400
Primo St G Parts parts kit-$400
Compliance Parts-$200
Assembly and park-$150 to $400

At a minimum, that's $1,150. I paid $950 even for my STG-58A, but that was back in 2001.

NMshooter
March 16, 2006, 08:30 PM
I have learned the hard way that when you really want something, do not settle for "close enough".

It took me many years, and a lot of junk, though...:o

If you want a FAL, get a DSA, set up exactly the way you want it, regardless of cost.

It is cheaper in the long run this way.;)

Nightcrawler
March 16, 2006, 08:36 PM
Additionally, Ohio Rapid Fire has a good reputation as a FAL builder. ORF, ARS, and Azex Arms can probably build you a rifle in many different configurations. DSA has the most options in that regard, though.

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