Glock is missing something..


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extremefishin00
March 14, 2006, 08:53 PM
Like a long slide .45. Why is it they have long slide pistols in 9mm and .40/.357, but none in .45. I'm not much of a Glock fan, but it seems to me they would market well to the competition and SWAT crowd.

Chris

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WarMachine
March 14, 2006, 09:15 PM
From what I see, the 34/35 models seem to be marketed the competition crowd where "major" 9 and .40 are more prevalent than .45 due to the extra capacity and lower recoil.

HighVelocity
March 14, 2006, 09:17 PM
And if they ever make a longslide 45 they might as well make it in 10mm too. :evil:

Lobotomy Boy
March 14, 2006, 10:19 PM
A long-slide version in .45 ACP and in 10mm both seem like logical additions to the lineup. Barring the introduction of some new caliber, Glock will have to come up with something different pretty soon.

Later88
March 14, 2006, 10:54 PM
Glock has huge sales I think they can leave their line up the as is for a while

Rockstar
March 14, 2006, 11:13 PM
Lonewolf Distributors is currently offering a G20 longslide and has a G21 longslide in the works. Hope you REALLY want a longslide, @ nearly $600 just for the slide, without barrel. :)

Old Fuff
March 14, 2006, 11:23 PM
I think that before you see a long-slide .45 ACP, one will be introduced in .45GAP. The demand for such a gun would be relatively limited, and by using the model 22 platform all that would have to be tooled would be a new slide and barrel. Gaston remember, thinks like a gun-maker. ;)

Rockstar
March 14, 2006, 11:30 PM
I believe that Gaston, in reality, thinks like an expert in injection molding and a businessman who's smart enough to hire folks who think like gun-makers. :)

el44vaquero
March 14, 2006, 11:36 PM
Glock is missing something..
I can answer this question in one word.....soul :neener:

Old Fuff
March 14, 2006, 11:43 PM
Rockstar:

I believe that Gaston, in reality, thinks like an expert in injection molding and a businessman who's smart enough to hire folks who think like gun-makers.

Don't know about you, but I know the gentleman...

He knows far more then you think... ;)

gudel
March 15, 2006, 12:23 AM
I can answer this question in one word.....soul

So that's how their $1500 1911 gun so temperamental, it's got a schizophrenic soul.

He knows far more then you think...

Looking how well he's doing, I don't think he's that dumb either :)

Rockstar
March 15, 2006, 09:18 AM
Old Fuff, my response was meant as a compliment. I'm sure, after running a business that's made so many pistols, he DOES think like a gun-maker. He initially, though, was a businessman making a living in injection molded products, who was smart enough to hire a bunch of excellent designers to produce what we know as the Glock pistol. :)

Lennyjoe
March 15, 2006, 10:02 AM
I met his son Robert.;)

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pb84163e2df27f4d3b949b907bf6d11d2/faf92ecf.jpg

1911 guy
March 15, 2006, 10:09 AM
Soul, ergonomics, variety, pointability, I'd say Glock is missing more than a few things.

They work, they're reliable, but after that, they offer nothing. Slide stop is made of sheet metal, barrel has rifling that won't allow too much lead reload stuff so there goes a large market of the competition crowd, the process of fitting a steel rail into a plastic frame creates an unnecessary joint under stress, they feel like holding a coke bottle.

In short, an upscale Hi-Point.

torpid
March 15, 2006, 10:16 AM
They work, they're reliable... In short, an upscale Hi-Point.

Yay, it's always nice to see folks compliment those maligned Hi-Points!
(Or were you really only just trying to slam Glocks?)

.

1911 guy
March 15, 2006, 10:27 AM
I'm really not slamming either, they work and some folks like them, but for the ergonomics and reliability, they're nearly identical. If you like pistols shaped like kids building blocks, why waste 300 bucks more? Buy the cheaper version. Kinda like my Marlin .22 rifle. I could have got one twice the price, but it does what I want (squirrels to eat) and I like the feel of it. So why spend 500 on a .22 when a 200 Marlin works?

Answer: Some folks are stuck on "But it's a Glock."

saspic
March 16, 2006, 06:34 AM
Rockstar wrote: Lonewolf Distributors is currently offering a G20 longslide and has a G21 longslide in the works. Hope you REALLY want a longslide, @ nearly $600 just for the slide, without barrel.
Actually, it's the other way around. Some people have had their .45 ACP longslides for a while now, with .45/10 conversion barrels for shooting 10mm through the .45 slide.
The dedicated 10mm slide with .40 caliber breech face has reportedly been shelved until they can work out some design issues. The day the G20 longslide is available, I will purchase one.

CarbineKid
March 16, 2006, 07:07 AM
I'de buy a glock if the slide was Stainless Steel. I perfer stainless to any other gun finish.

Lone_Gunman
March 16, 2006, 07:21 AM
I've never seen a rusty glock. I see no advantage of stainless. Why do you want one in stainless?

glocker1911
March 16, 2006, 07:33 AM
I appreciate a good joke as much as anyone. But if someone is serious about comparing a Glock to a Highpoint, all I can say is you either realllly hate Glocks,or you are, shall we say, a rider on the small bus.:D

Sylvan-Forge
March 16, 2006, 07:38 AM
IMHO, those 2by4 shaped grips gotta go.
H&K brought out the P2000, and maybe soon an even more ergo P3000, Smith has the M&P, CZs started with and still have a nice grip, SIGs have nice grips, etc ..

Maybe Glock will (hopefully) do something for their grips for the next gen lineup?

1911 guy
March 16, 2006, 10:01 AM
Glocker1911, give me one meaningful feature differentiating the two. Still thinking? Price and prestige aren't meaningful, so don't bother mentioning them.

Lobotomy Boy
March 16, 2006, 10:16 AM
Glock will have to start offering something different, not because there is anything wrong with what they make, but because gun makers that don't evolve eventually die. See Colt, for example. Maybe Glock should consider offering single-stack versions of their sub-compacts, and perhaps even versions of their guns with different grip shapes and sizes (or adjustable, like Walther and Smith). I personally like the Gen 3 grips and would hate to see them go away, so perhaps a Gen 4 version could be offered alongside the current versions.

glocker1911
March 16, 2006, 05:28 PM
Reliability, accuracy, ergonomics for starters. If you can handle a Highpoint and then a Glock, and honestly say there is no differance, then there is no point in trying to tell you there is. But it's knid of like comparing a Llama to a Springfield "loaded" 1911. Yes, they are the same thing, but there is a world of differance in how they are made.

BTW, when you step off of that short bus, don't forget to look both ways before crossing the road!

Soap
March 16, 2006, 05:39 PM
Can anybody talk about Glocks without bringing up 1911s or vice versa? :confused:

Anyway, I'd like to see a 10mm longslide!

brickboy240
March 16, 2006, 06:08 PM
They're missing a comfortable grip angle.

Other than that..not really.

- Brickboy240

kngflp
March 16, 2006, 11:31 PM
I don't know why they don't make a compact 10mm, they have the full size and the sub compact but why no compact?

648E
March 17, 2006, 01:27 AM
I read a rumor on some other board that a sales rep said a .45 long slide is in the works. I don't know as I believe that but just passing that along...

A compact 10mm and .45 would be a worthwhile addition.

I would also love to see a .22LR introduced. Of course it would have to be made in USA, but I thought they were tooling up to build pistols in Smyrna GA.

MTMilitiaman
March 17, 2006, 01:49 AM
What are you guys considering a compact? I always thought the 29/30 were there compacts but if you guys are considering them sub-compacts, that means you expect Glock to introduce a .45 and a 10mm with a barrel length between 3.7 and 4.6 inches, and I just don't see that happening. Seems like too small of a difference.

Like others, though, I would like to see longslides in both 10mm and .45 ACP. That would truly rock. Seriously rock. Like mosh pit at a death metal concert with a liter of JD rock. Hardcore rock. Really, really rock.

Glocker1911, give me one meaningful feature differentiating the two. Still thinking? Price and prestige aren't meaningful, so don't bother mentioning them.

The HiPoints are direct blowback operated while the Glock is delayed blowback using an improved linkless Browning system. The HiPoints are essentially potmetal comparible to Jennings while the Glock is every bit as high quality in its construction as HK, and from what I have seen of them, SIG, and indeed, offer a far superior metal treatment.

O wait, Glocks are the only pistol design in the States to achieve near 1911 popularity, and have done so in less than 3 decades as opposed to nearly a century, because they a essentially HiPoints, just more expensive... rriiiiiiiiight...

Grip angle preference is personal and subjective. I much prefer the Glock's. I have big paws that agree rather well with large double-column polymer pistols, but not with the 1911s, which are far less comfortable to hold and shoot for me than the Glock. 1911s cost more but offer few advantages that aren't subjective. They weigh more which is bad, but this increase in weight comes at the expense of magazine capacity, which is worse, so in essence you pay two or three times as much for a pistol that is heavier but offers half the capacity of a Glock, and somehow rationalize this as "soul." Glocks are durable, reliable, simple to operate and maintain, and offer light weight and exceptional magazine capacities, which seems like a good lot of advantages to have on your side. But of course they are neither shiny no prohibitively expensive so they must be junk.

tomkatz
March 17, 2006, 03:23 AM
MTMilitiaman
I was thinking of how to respond to 1911guy, then I read your post and you said what I was thinking very well, so I'll just give it a +1.
.......tom

medmo
March 17, 2006, 03:55 AM
Why not that longslide in 45 acp? Because Glock Industries are driven by marketing. This is both good and bad. I'm a happy Glock owner but these guys are extremely driving by profits/loss so I don't see it happening soon. Many good things have occurred at Glock because of their quick marketing reaction but I don't think they will field anything that is marginal ever.

Blacklabman
March 17, 2006, 06:38 AM
The Glock grip angle, is a very subjective subject. I happen to like it. In USPSA matches, I have thousands of rounds thru my G35's and G17's. Glocks seem to be the pistol of majority, at matches. I own a a Kimber TLE II. It is a fun pistol to shoot at the range, but I do not trust it for CCW. It is finicky with ammo, and has had extractor and magazine issues. I see the same thing from many 1911's at matches. I'll take function over soul, anyday of the week.
I do not see Glock making a 10mm compact. The demand is simply not there. The 10mm while a great round, is more of a cult caliber. Ammo if not ordered is hard to find and expensive. Even if ordered of the net, the ammo is still not cheap. I do not know of any gunshops in my area, that even carry 10mm ammo or pistols.. I really do not see a .45 Longslide either. While it would be a nice pistol, the demand for it would be limited.

Joe D
March 17, 2006, 06:55 AM
I would love to see Glock make a single stack .45ACP with a 5.3" barrel.

Lobotomy Boy
March 17, 2006, 07:58 AM
Why not that longslide in 45 acp? Because Glock Industries are driven by marketing. This is both good and bad. I'm a happy Glock owner but these guys are extremely driving by profits/loss so I don't see it happening soon. Many good things have occurred at Glock because of their quick marketing reaction but I don't think they will field anything that is marginal ever.

I sort of agree but sort of disagree. Yes, Glock is profit driven, but that doesn't prohibit the building of niche guns. Take the 34-35, for example. Like any good business, Glock bases its decisions on good profit and loss studies. The P&L for a low-volume, designed-from-scratch gun might show a dismal profit margin, but the P&L for a gun that requires minor tweaking of an existing gun (a longer slide on an existing frame, ala Glock 34 and Glock 35) might show an acceptable margin at a much lower volume and price point. Because of that a long-slide .45 might be much more profitable than, say, single-stack compact .45, ala the Glock 36.

BTW, the Glock 29, 30, and 36 are closer in size to the compact Glock 19 than the subcompact 26 and 27.

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