.410 Bore Howdah or Sawed-off


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saboteur
March 14, 2006, 08:57 PM
Help me out with some legalese.
If it is ok to have a .410 revolver, would it be ok to have a double-barreled .410 pistol that resmbles a sawed off or howdah?

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mr.trooper
March 14, 2006, 10:35 PM
Sure...As long as you register your shotty as a sawed off first. Then you dont have to worry about what you can or cant do to it.

Mooseman
March 14, 2006, 10:46 PM
I seem to remember a manufacturer making a .410 double barrell shotgun pistol. I think it was legal because it also shot 45 colt. Diggin deep in my memory so don't flame me if I'm wrong.:)

Mooseman
March 14, 2006, 10:48 PM
Found it! Leinad model DD $159 bucks on gunsamerica.com:D

Mooseman
March 14, 2006, 10:49 PM
Crud, you already knew about that. Sorry, trying to be helpfull:(

saboteur
March 15, 2006, 12:30 AM
Mooseman...I didn't know about that. Thanks. That is what I'm talking about, though I'd like to find one that more closely resembles a howdah pistol. So what is the trick? You can have a .410 pistol, but you can't turn a .410 shotgun into a .410 pistol? Who comes up with this stuff?

mp510
March 15, 2006, 01:14 AM
TC made a contender 45 410 barrel as well. The thing is, it must be rifled, or then it falls into an NFA catagory, from what I understand.

Also, since the shotguns are registered as long guns when they are made, merely making them below 26", regqardless of barrel length, would make them NFA. Regardless of OAL under 18" will fall under the NFA if it is a smoothe bore.

SDC
March 15, 2006, 12:54 PM
There are two separate ways to go about this, providing that your state allows the ownership of one or the other; one; you can take an existing shotgun and register it as a "short-barrelled shotgun", then have it cut back to the length you'd like, or two, you can try to find a manufacturer that produces what you want from a receiver that has never been assembled into a shotgun before, so it would be considered an "Any Other Weapon", like the Serbu Super Shorty. In either case, they'd have to be registered with ATFE and have a transfer tax paid.

scbair
March 15, 2006, 03:06 PM
OK, I'm no lawyer, but wouldn't a .410 double-barrel, maybe with some rifling near the muzzle, and being less than .50 caliber, manufactured as a pistol, be nothing more than a .410 pistol (not an AOW)?

Granted that spiral rifling would impart spin to the charge, and cause some pretty poor patterns, would "straight" rifling (like that in some "turkey chokes" for shotties) be legal?:confused:

saboteur
March 15, 2006, 03:47 PM
That is exactly what I was thinking, too. Of course, I'd want to use .410 slugs in it, so rifling provide some benefit.

It seems to me that a rifled, double-barrel .410 pistol...if made to be one from the start...is legal. Right?
Some body should produce these.

AJ Dual
March 15, 2006, 04:37 PM
There's no reason the rifling can't be straight.

There are inexpensive .410 derringers that get "away with it" because of that.

Third_Rail
March 15, 2006, 05:18 PM
AJ Dual, the rifling does indeed need some amount of twist. There's a letter opinion from the BATFE to that effect.


1 in 60" works, though! :D

kudu
March 15, 2006, 06:57 PM
The pistols that fire .410 shells are first and foremost .45 Long Colt guns that will chamber a .410 shell and fire it without damage. That is how they can manufacture them and market them as .45LC/.410 shotshell pistols.

mrmeval
March 16, 2006, 02:10 AM
If it's made under the law as a pistol you're ok. You'd need to do all the paper work to make it a short barreled shotgun and do the paperwork and pay the tax.

Hkmp5sd
March 16, 2006, 07:36 PM
Here's mine:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/Hkmp5sd/410a.jpg

wolf_from_wv
March 16, 2006, 11:37 PM
Do you have any problems with .410s not firing in that?

Logan5
March 17, 2006, 12:06 AM
The solution, apparently, is to go to either fully rifled barrels, in a large caliber rather than a gauge, as in some classic Howdahs, or muzzle loading percussion in the bore of your choice. Then I guess you have to build it.

Andrew Wyatt
March 17, 2006, 01:58 AM
why would you want a .410 bore howdah?


if i needed a howdah pistol, i'd eschew tradition and make a short barrelled shotgun with a very short stock of 11.5 inches or so. in 16 gauge.

Fire4Effect
March 17, 2006, 03:33 AM
I chose this option. Taurus 4410. It has a 2 & 1/4 inch rifled barrel and shoots both 2 & 1/2 inch .410 shotshells and .45cal LC. It is also available in a longer barrel version... :evil:

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