help w/ a 9mm purchase


April 17, 2003, 07:10 PM
i am looking for a well made, aluminum or poly frame, single stack double action (no DAO) 9mm.
i dont know the difference between the S&W ladysmith and the 3913TSW other than the grip color.
who else makes a good pistol w/ these features?
i wish glock made a single stack 9mm even though its safe action.
please help. if i dont spend this $ my wife will find it.

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April 17, 2003, 07:56 PM
Your "no DAO" comment snuffed my recommendation of Kahr. Similar in some ways to desired Glock. Trigger pull on my new PM9 is a little shorter than that of old K9.

Quote: " if i dont spend this $ my wife will find it. "

Ya must no been married for very long. There are LOTS of places a woman won't look. :D

April 17, 2003, 07:58 PM
How about the Sig 239? Isn't that a single stack? My wife rented one at the range a couple of weeks ago and really enjoyed shooting it......

April 17, 2003, 08:01 PM
So a steel frame is out of the question? I was gonna recommend a P7M8 :D

April 17, 2003, 08:07 PM
The S&W 3913 Ladysmith and 3913TSW are, for all practical purposes, the same pistol.

Don't overlook S&W's 9x19 Chiefs Special--it seems to be well liked by those who have actually shot it.

Beretta makes a really good single stack version of the 92FS (Type M, I believe)--probably the most reliable pistol manufactured based on numerous field trials.

The Star Models B and BM are currently available on the surplus market and are reasonable (and reasonably priced) single stacks.

The Sig P225 is another great single stack 9x19.

My all-time favourite single stack though is the Walther P5 (if you have eight or nine hundred bucks to spare).

April 17, 2003, 08:26 PM
So a steel frame is out of the question? I was gonna recommend a P7M8 He said he had some money, not that he'd won the lotto.:D

April 17, 2003, 08:27 PM
SIG 225.

Boy that was easy. How about a harder question next time.:D


April 17, 2003, 08:29 PM
Looks I got beat to the punch :D I guess I'll second the 225 ;)

Safety First
April 17, 2003, 09:14 PM
Sig P-239 is single stack 9mm or .40 if so desired,it is a great ccw, you can learn more about it at the Sig web site

April 17, 2003, 09:33 PM
Smith & Wesson 39-2 and 439/639's are nice and would fit the bill. They can usually be found for around $300 in excellent condition.

April 17, 2003, 09:48 PM
Sig P239, P225

Beretta 92 "M" Type

April 17, 2003, 11:35 PM
Sig 225. Ya want fries with that?

April 18, 2003, 12:03 AM
Did anyone suggest a SIG Sauer P225 yet?:D

April 18, 2003, 12:03 AM
steyr m-9


April 18, 2003, 12:19 AM
He wants a single stack mephisto, so the steyr is out.:neener:

April 18, 2003, 12:39 AM
Aw...just get the steyr and pretend it is a single stack...i think the steyr grip is even thinner than the Sigs...but dont quote me.

April 18, 2003, 12:55 AM
The grip isn't thinner and the P225 has a better trigger. So there! :neener: :D

April 18, 2003, 12:57 AM
Im sure you are right about the grip...but the trigger? Cmon...the steyr trigger is bad ***....if you want technical terms.:cool:

April 18, 2003, 02:44 AM
I vote SIG 239. If you don't mind the Kahr's trigger (try it, it is not bad) the P9 seems to make sense also.

April 18, 2003, 03:08 AM
Walther P5 or Sig 225, both are excellent firearms. There is also the HK P9S, which is very accurate, but much more expensive.

April 18, 2003, 03:42 AM
Don't know why this one has not been mentioned yet, Sig 225:evil:

April 18, 2003, 07:30 AM
sig is longer, wider, taller and heavier than the smith.
now i like sigs, i really do. BUT, that whole "decock were the safe should be slide release location" bit throws me off some. i have been using 1911's the longest, glocks for a stint of about 5 years and i had a M9 as a duty weapon for 4 years. i did have a P220 and a 245 for a while and sold them.

April 18, 2003, 08:10 AM
The manual of arms of one gun may seem strange if you are used to another, but it is all a matter of getting used to the one you choose by practicing and training with it. I shoot a Sig P228, but I also like the S&W 3913, so you should definitely go check it out to see if it works for you. But the Sig P225 or P239 are also worth looking at. If the gun peddlers in my area (Phila., PA) are any indication, I think the P239 would be generally easier to find.

April 18, 2003, 09:07 AM
The Smith 39 series, ie 3913 etc. seem to be excellent firearms and in all honesty probably have a better trigger then my SIG 225. My problem with the Smiths is that they have a magazine disconnect safety and for a combat/carry gun that is just unacceptable for me. I like the idea of being able to drop the mag with the last round loaded in the pipe to be able to use should I get assaulted while reloading.

Oh yeah the chances of that ever happening to me or most any of us are about......ohhh.....well.......carry the 6.......divide by 22.......NEVER. I just don't like magazine disconnects.:D

April 18, 2003, 11:52 AM
Sig 239, Sig 225, S&W 3913(stainless), S&W 3914(blue). The Smith's do not have a hammer spur. The Star B and Star BM are single actions. Sigs are nice but out of my price range. I'd go with the S&W (which weighs 25 ozs. empty). This is a quality pistol that is reliable and accurate.

April 18, 2003, 12:39 PM
i am also looking at the CS9SS. 3" BBL at 20.8OZ.
i forgot about the mag disconnect. i hate that thing, too. maybe i can find someone to disable it. i know it will need trigger work out of the box.

April 18, 2003, 03:54 PM
do yourself a huge favor and try a P7M8, there is no better single stack with no thumb slide release lever 'anything', true saftey that does not require any finger movement and a loaded chamber indicator easily viewable when sighting down the sights (long before any of this stuff was 'popular')

Ed Ely
April 18, 2003, 10:40 PM
The sleeper of sleepers. The Star
Ultrastar 9mm single stack. It is
surprisingly accurate, no frills, shoots
POA, and is a joy to shoot anytime.

Sometimes you can catch one NIB at
an auction site, but probably have better
luck with finding a used one.

April 19, 2003, 12:21 AM
If you are on a budget get the S&W 3914, if you can afford a little more go for the Sig P239. I have both and they are both excellent weapons.

April 19, 2003, 03:44 AM
Where's Mastrogiacomo?

You know, I was gonna send you a Beretta Type M until you started messin with me :D

April 19, 2003, 05:23 AM
Here's a couple. Walther P5 and P38/P1. Century Arms has the P1 for a reasonable cost

April 19, 2003, 09:33 AM
I agree with denfoote...... P5 all the way man.


April 19, 2003, 02:03 PM
anyone care to clue me into the sig hype?
they have 5 in the used case at my range and nobody wants them.
the triggers are painful on the reset for me.
what gives?

April 19, 2003, 05:04 PM
i want to know why the p225 is favored so much over the 239. they are almost the same size and weight, no grip difference, same cal.
is it because they are "rare"?
i ahve spoke to a few people who have turned me away from the S&W. the mag disconnect is a big reason. i think the p239 is the way i am leaning.
i am sure the star is a good pistol, but, at this point in my life i am more inclined to buy higher quality goods.
the P7 would be in the safe already if the lower was alloy, for sure.

Safety First
April 19, 2003, 05:46 PM
I could not locate the stats on the Sig P225, but I think it may be at least several ounces heavier than the p239..I really dont know about the P225. Since several seem to like it, it is probably a good choice,but even Sig touts the p239 for ccw...I really like mine, hope you will too if you go with it... good luck...p.s. I am not ordering any shirts/vest for now,but will check with you a little down the road when I am ready, before I order anything...

April 19, 2003, 07:21 PM
I want to know why the p225 is favored so much over the 239 . . . no grip difference.
There is huge difference in the grips and ergonomics ("feel") between the P225 and the P239. The grips on the P239 leave a lot to be desired (and usually require after-market grips to be acceptable). The P225 balance and points far better than the P239--the P239 has a distinct top-heavy feel and just lacks the naturalness of the P225.

I wouldn't say the P225 is "rare." You can generally find one if you want one. They are certainly not as common as the P239, and Sigarms doesn't push them near as hard as they do the P239 (probably has more to do with the profit margin than suitability since the P239 is made in the US and the P225 is made in Germany).

Safety First - The P225 is 0.9 ounces heavier than than the P239 (26.1 ounces versus 25.2).

April 20, 2003, 01:35 AM
I have both a P225 and a P239 and the 225 is definitely a bigger gun. Not a huge differance but definitely a differance.

The 225 is more comfortable and natural feeling.

The 239 is more concealable.

Both work great for CCW, both are accurate with a nod towards the 239. My 239 trigger is better than my 225 trigger. Either will serve you just fine.

225s are getting harder to come by and the magazines seem to be going up in price a bit.

Other than that they are great guns.

I really would like to try a Smith 3913 as they look to be spectacular firearms. Like I said I have a thing about mag disconnects though.

Based on everything that has been put forth the two SIGs seem to meet all of your criteria in the most economical way.


April 20, 2003, 09:43 AM
i have found someone w/ a 239 40 cal that is willing to sell for $450 shipped LNIB w/ 3 mags. i might go w/ it even though i dont care for the .40 in such a light gun.

George Hill
April 20, 2003, 11:53 AM
And for a Wiffy? .40 can turn off new shooters or female shooters... lots of .40 loads are just too high pressure unless the shooter is experienced.

I suggest looking for one (a 239) in 9MM.

April 20, 2003, 01:11 PM
The Sig 239. :D

I've had a couple women shot mine and they've loved it.

Safety First
April 20, 2003, 05:49 PM
George Hill mentioned recoil on the .40 being a turn-off,seems as though I have heard others also mention recoil being a bit much on the .40. You might want to do a little more shopping and see if the 9mm will show up at a decent price.. I bought mine from a local dealer end of 2002 and paid 529.00 plus tax, and that was factory fresh new.. But I admit I have not priced them since I bought mine...good luck..

April 21, 2003, 09:18 AM
Great price.

My wife doesn't like the recoil of my .40 SIG 239 and she is not exactly recoil sensitive. I think she just dosn't like small grip guns.

For myself, I am amazed at how soft of a shooter this little .40 caliber is. To me it soaks up the recoil extremely well. I love it. Most other people think it is a pretty soft shooter as well.

Anyway $490 after shipping and transfer is still a great price. I am just estimating fees.


April 21, 2003, 10:57 AM
Per my previous post on this subject, the Sig P225 and 239 are pricey, figure $550.00 on the low side for the 239, and as high as $649.00 for the P225 (supply & demand in action, since these arevery rare in the Phila PA ara).

If you're working against a budget, I'd take a look at the CZ 75 PCR; I've seen them NIB for @$450.00 asking price, which you could probably negotiate down a bit.

April 21, 2003, 08:55 PM
got a 40 cal P239 LNIB w/ 3 mags 99+% for $450 shipped.
now all i need is for someone to by my USP.

April 21, 2003, 10:55 PM
I have a S&W 910 Stainless(doublestack)with 4" Bbl.. The 908(blued or stainless)is a more compact single stack 8+1, 3.5"Bbl.

My 910 has been 100% since the first magazine, is aluminum framed(28 Oz.: the 908 is 25 Oz.) and I can't say enough good things about it, especially the trigger.

April 21, 2003, 11:05 PM
I have a S&W 910 Stainless(doublestack)with 4" Bbl.. The 908(blued or stainless)is a more compact single stack 8+1, 3.5"Bbl.

My 910 has been 100% since the first magazine, is aluminum framed(28 Oz.: the 908 is 25 Oz.) and I can't say enough good things about it, especially the trigger.

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