[Arcli9ht]

I am looking to build an M4gery, but I cant find where to buy kits online. Bushmaster sells them directly, but it is at MSRP. I could probably go to a local gunstore, but they have a habit of charging MSRP +20%. Gunbroker seems to turn up negative on kits.

I would like all Bushmaster parts... all new as well.

thanks

/Arcli9ht

[Redlg155]

For an all Bushy parts kit I would stick with the source. Just go direct to Bushmaster.

If you are willing to budge off of Bushmaster then you might want to check Sable Co (http://www.sableco.net/id21.htm) . Rock River is a respected name and they also offer chrome lined barrels. Donnie doesn't advertise kits, but he will put together a good package for you.

JT Distributing (http://www.jtdistributing.com/) also has kits that are just as good as Bushmaster only they don't have chrome lining. Just another option...and a much cheaper option to consider.

Good Shooting
Red

[CleverNickname]

Chrome lining is a $50 option on the JT kits.

[Redlg155]

Ahh...I stand corrected. I just checked the site again. This is something relatively new for JT kits. Previously if you wanted a chrome lined barrel they would have to substitute a Colt chrome lined barrel, if any were available at that time.


Hmmmm..I'll have to give them a call and see what they want for a Dissy style chrome lined upper.-

Good Shooting
Red

[DonP]

I just put an M4 style upper from Modle 1 on my Bushy flat top lower last week.

Everything fit like a glove. The ARMS #40 rear I picked up co-witnesses with my Hakko reflex so everything is copasetic.

The Model 1 models come with a chorme lined barrel and chamber standard I believe. They are fast on shipping with same or next day out the door. I just wish they put in a few extra detents and spring to replace the ones that kept slipping off and firing across the room and terrorized my poor cat while I assembled it on the kitchen table

I'm sure the Bushy parts are great, but I'm not sure they are worth the premium some outlets place on them. But everybody gets to vote with their wallet.

Don P.

[xsquid]

If you want to assure yourself of true Bushmaster parts, buy direct from Bushmaster. It's more of a cr@p-shoot if you buy from the www or gunshows on who exactly the manufacturer of the parts you just bought originated from. For example, have you heard of some vendors offering FN parts? But have you also heard that FN can't sell to the civilian market or they'd lose their DOD contract? So if they are true FN parts, they are either stolen or rejects? :scrutiny: As for RRA, I personally stay away from them, as not all their parts are mil-spec. Pay MSRP and you'll have peace of mind;)

[GLOCKT]

Chrome lined barrels do not add to the accuracy of a barrel.
Chrome lined barrels only clean up easier.
All the NMC AR shooters shoot non-chrome lined barrels.
Chrome lined barrels were invented for the troops in Vietnam to ease in cleaning,prevent the rusting process and when the barrels did get wet and gritty the chrome lining helped in the natural draining process.

[Redlg155]

Xsquid,

For example, have you heard of some vendors offering FN parts? But have you also heard that FN can't sell to the civilian market or they'd lose their DOD contract?

Just curious, I've heard folks saying this a lot, but do you personally have a source, such as a link to the govt contract with FN as a source for the information?

Colt can sell to the civilian market as well as Bushmaster. As I understand it both manufacturers had Govt Contracts to supply parts or weapons to the military. So why can't FN?

Good Shooting
Red

[Smiley]

I jsut finished building a shorty using a bushmaster lower and a complete kit from Sherluk Marketing. www.sherluk.com

I got them from a show in MA. I loved the price compared to what I am used to and the upper looked about 50% better than anything else that was at the shows I have been to in the last coupla years.

[Jack19]

Here are some links I have.....

Armalight (http://www.armalite.com/index-old.htm)
Bushmaster (http://bushmaster.com/)
CMMG (http://www.cmmginc.com/)
DEL-TON (http://www.del-ton.com/)
DPMS (http://www.dpmsinc.com/)
Fulton Armory (http://www.fulton-armory.com/indexf-special.htm)
Georgia Precision (http://www.georgiaprecision.com/)
Legal Transfers (http://www.ar15sales.com) (Pete is a great guy.)
M & A Parts (http://www.m-aparts.com/)
MTSN (http://mstn.biz/)
Rock River Arms (http://www.rockriverarms.com/)
Sable Co. (http://www.sableco.net/index.htm)

And don't forget to surf these sites for LOTS of great info.

AR-15.com (http://www.ar15.com/)
The Maryland AR15 Shooters Site (http://groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/_homepage.msnw?pgmarket=en-us)

[Nero Steptoe]

"Chrome lined barrels do not add to the accuracy of a barrel.
Chrome lined barrels only clean up easier..."

Chrome lined barrels actually are generally less-accurate than are non-chrome lined barrels; however, they don't just clean up easier, they also last many thousands of rounds longer than non-chrome barrels.

[Peetmoss]

"As for RRA, I personally stay away from them, as not all their parts are mil-spec. Pay MSRP and you'll have peace of mind"

Sorry to burst your bubble but there isn't one AR-15 variant made today for us surfes that is mil-spec. They can't be. They don't have military fire control parts.

[444]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but mil-spec doesn't mean that the two rifles are identical. What it means is that the materials used to make the parts, the dimensions/tolorances that are used to machine the parts are mil-spec., the finish is the same etc.

Get a chrome lined barrel. The barrel will last longer, it will clean up easier, and it will feed ammo that hangs up in other barrels. Get a 5.56 chamber also. Again, it helps with keeping the rifle running smoothly; it will feed ammo that would hang up in a .223 chamber.

IMO, get Bushmaster parts. In order to ensure that you are getting real Bushmaster parts, go to Bushmaster to get them. I have been down this road. I have AR lowers made with parts from J&T and one from a parts kit I bought at a gunshow that uses "FN" parts. I see this whole thing of trying to save five bucks or whatever is a false economy. When I bought that parts kit at the gunshow, I realized on the way home that if any part was missing, I had no recourse. If it was Bushmaster I could call them for a replacement. Plus, the small difference in price is worth the peace of mind to me. Oh, and I paid more for the gun show parts kit than Bushmaster charges on their website. You are quibbling overy a very few dollars in price; go with quality over trying to save a couple bucks.

As far as the FN parts thing, I didn't believe it either and said so on a thread a month or two ago. Someone provided the links that proved it to me. FN is not allowed to sell parts to the public. The common explanation is that FN subcontracts the manufacture of it's fire control parts out to a thrid party. This thrid party makes parts and sells them and since they are made by the same company and the same factory as the FN parts, they say they are FN parts.

[xsquid]

Redlg155 - sorry but I don't have a "smoking gun" per se that directly acknowledges that FN cannot or will not sell direct to the civilian market. Most all of my information is third-hand. Maybe 444 can dig up some links for us? As for why can Colt and Bushmaster sell to civilians and FN can't? Maybe it's because Colt and Bushmaster are US firms and had a viable commercial base already. FN not being a US manufacturer had to build a plant here and the US Gov't threw in the "no sales to civilians" clause prior to giving FN contracts for it's SAWs and M16s because they weren't going to lose any money anyway since they did not allready have an existing civilian market for its wares??

Peetmoss - no bubble bursted here, if you re-read what you quoted I said parts being not mil-spec, didn't say anything about a complete weapons system.

[444]

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13995&highlight=FN%2A+Parts