March 17, 2006, 01:10 PM
Does anyone know anything about this gun? I want a carbine later this year. I think the Storm is kinda expensive - have thought about the Keltec 2000. But, this gun looks kind of interesting....

Pump action, 14 round 357/38 carbine.

What kinda quality and reliability does this gun have?

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March 17, 2006, 04:03 PM
I was looking for one for awhile, so did others. Grayrock's name comes to mind... :)

I think there is a review on One of this day, I'll get one.


half elf
March 18, 2006, 10:47 AM
I have wanted a .357mag pump carbine for about 20yrs but could not pay what they wanted for the timberwolf when it was available. I have a Kel-Tec Sub2K, and love it for what it is. A pistol carbine that shares magazines with my CCW, and othe family members pistols makes logisitics easier to keep up. Do not expect to knock down houses at 2ml with it it is a long barrled pistol with a buttstock, remember the limitartions and You will be happy. Choose the grip set to match current/future pistol purchases and You will enjoy more. IIRC S&W 59, Berreta, Glock are the choices out ATT.

March 18, 2006, 11:01 AM
The .357 mag Thunderbolt has due out within the next month or about the last 13 months.

Last word was that it was coming out in April.

I'ver really wanted one, but I'm about to give up hope.


March 18, 2006, 01:47 PM
Hey, a .45 Colt version too.
With Lyman cast bullets from 292 to 535 grains. That oughta thump em.:evil:

I wish they would state the twist though.

Gunblast review:

March 18, 2006, 04:53 PM
so can anyone tell me why the pump action ala the colt lightning never took off in popularity the way the lever action did?

I mean, great stuff gets copied, everyone started making revolvers once colt and a few others got the ball rolling. Volcan became winchester, but there were lots of other levergun makers.

Why didn't the colt lightning have a big following? (and have other companies make similar guns during that period) Was it simply a cost issue? Strength? feed reliability?

half elf
March 18, 2006, 07:03 PM
Back in the bad old days Colt and Winchester made a agreement, one would make rifles, and not handguns, and the other would only make handguns, and not rifles. This was to allow each to keep their own market share, and not face a possible loss due to poaching in their berry patch. I got this out of a book about the Winchester records, and they agreed because Colt was producing rifles they wanted to keep out of the market.

March 18, 2006, 08:30 PM
half elf: Yes, Colt made a lever action rifle called the Colt-Burgess, far superior to the Winchester according to some collectors. The Colt-Burgess was made in .44WCF (44-40) between 1883 and 1885. A total of about 6,000 were made. Story is that Winchester showed Colt a revolver they planned to introduce, Colt then stopped production of the Colt-Burgess rifle. The Colt's "Lightening rifle was made in 3 frame sizes, ranging in caliber from .22 to a .50 round in the large frame. The lockwork, like the early Colt's double action revolvers was somewhat "fragile" and the lightening never came near the Winchester in popularity. The lightening was made from 1884 until the early 1900's. With the popularity of Cowboy Action Shooting, AWA, Uberti/Beretta, USFA, and Taurus are making modern copies.

March 18, 2006, 08:57 PM
I want a carbine later this year.

Is there something other than the 26" barrel? That hardly qualifies as a carbine, I should think.

March 18, 2006, 11:54 PM
Also, the linkage in the old Colt Lightnings were notoriously fragile, and broke without a lot of effort.

Taurus has allegedly overcome the fragile linkage problem.


March 19, 2006, 12:14 AM
I read that they don't eject very strongly though.

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