What's the name of that ridiculous trap gun?


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bosshoff
March 19, 2006, 11:39 AM
What is the name of the ridiculous looking American-made trap gun with the pistol grip?

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theCZ
March 19, 2006, 11:46 AM
Well, there are some of us that would say that *ALL* dedicated trap guns look goofy! I can't help you on the name of this particular one though.

esheato
March 19, 2006, 12:40 PM
Ljutic? (http://www.ljuticgun.com/id1.html)

It looka like dis man.

Ed

http://www.ljuticgun.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/selka.jpg

sm
March 19, 2006, 01:20 PM
What's the name of that ridiculous trap gun?

I may have Skeeter Roots but even I know better than that. :neener:

Oh my...you just had to post a pic now didn't you esheato?

You do realize if :

1) Ljutic was to Market that thing as the Ultimate Mutant Zombie/Bear/Puma/ Kumquat Weapon -

2) All the Virutal Keyboard Kommandos view them gun pics...

3) Sales of Black Tactical guns are gonna suffer. :D

All Ljutic needs to do is have a front and back cover on TWIC* e-Zine.

Ljutic makes a fine gun, just like anyone and anything else - not everything in one's line is to everyones liking or fits needs.


*Tacticool With Internet Connection
Apologies ( again) to Rich, Denny and SWAT magazine. :)

esheato
March 19, 2006, 02:12 PM
Don't get me wrong Steve, I'm sure that gun works for one or two people out there. I'm just not one of 'em.

When I hear "ridiculous" and "trap gun" my mind automatically jumps to Ljutic.

Great guns, odd designs.

Ed

sm
March 19, 2006, 02:18 PM
Yes - I agree!
Not one of my preferences.

But you gotta admit - I have a great Marketing strategy for the Company tho'. :D

Yes I am bad, yes I stay in trouble. Being Consistent is a good thing - right? :)

esheato
March 19, 2006, 03:22 PM
Being Consistent is a good thing - right?

Well...we are talking about trap. Consistency is everything. ;)

Ed

TrapperReady
March 19, 2006, 03:58 PM
When I was in second grade, I drew guns that looked almost exactly like that.

Where can I collect my royalty checks? :D

ATAShooter
March 19, 2006, 05:52 PM
Dan Orlich shot a Ljutic. He was one of the all time greatest trapshooters. I saw Nadine Ljutic at the last Grand... real nice lady.

Dave McCracken
March 19, 2006, 10:43 PM
Ljutic has made a few odd looking but well working designs over the last 40 years or so.

If it works, it's not ridiculous. Ljutics work.

theCZ
March 20, 2006, 12:04 AM
I'd sure like to try that gun out though. It reminds me of a WWII anti-tank rifle, like the Boys. 'Cept I think that I wouldn't be allowed a Boys at my local club because it shoots over 3dram loads!

ArmedBear
March 20, 2006, 12:38 AM
Ljutic makes more "normal" shotguns and they work well. I'll take one.

I've never tried that thing, but if it didn't work for some people they wouldn't make it.

'Card
March 20, 2006, 12:41 AM
The MSRP on the cheapest gun in Ljutic's line-up is just a hair under 7K. Yes, that's seven thousand dollars. That's a seven, with a comma, and three zeroes. Dollars. The guns range from the entry level (*snork*) at 7K all the way up to the 'El Supremo' of their line-up which will cost you a little under $30,000. Yes, that's thirty thousand dollars. For a shotgun. For a shotgun you shoot clays with.

For the same amount of money, you could buy forty-five Remington 870 Wingmasters. You could buy thirty-two Remington 1100 Tournament Skeet models. Or maybe just four or five shotguns and a really nice truck to haul them around in. In fact, the most expensive Ljutic shotgun costs just slightly less than the median annual income of your average American citizen.

So, tell me which part of all of this isn't ridiculous?

esheato
March 20, 2006, 03:10 AM
So, tell me which part of all of this isn't ridiculous?

All of it.

Some people take pride in their 870's. Some people take pride in $30,000 shotguns. Some people take pride in $20,000 race cars. Some people take pride in multiple thousand dollar watches...

It's all relative.

As long as they're shooting, who cares what it is. They're on our side.

Ed

ArmedBear
March 20, 2006, 01:10 PM
Uh, if you get an 870 from the Remington Custom Shop, it's not 250 bucks, either...

Someone who shoots well at the national or international level, and wants to win, will get a custom gun and that costs money.

(Yes, wealthy people buy them just for the hell of it, but the point of a Ljutic is to buy a perfectly-machined, perfectly-fit, ultra-reliable custom gun that's very specific to your body, your shooting style, and the competitive shooting you do.)

I agree that, if, given your purpose in having a shotgun and your skill level, you can do the same thing with an 870 Express, then a Ljutic or Perazzi doesn't make sense. And it's also a fact that people who own such guns for competition often still go duck hunting with a trusty Remington.

On the other hand, it's quite clear you've never seen a Ljutic.

'Card
March 20, 2006, 03:02 PM
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. I can perfectly understand why a person would take pride in owning a quality firearm. I am also in favor of the fact that a fool and his money are soon parted.

I would never dispute a person's right to flush their cash down the toilet on baubles, trinkets, shiny doo-dads, and blatant 'show-off' status-based consumerism.

I do however, reserve the right to mock them for it. :neener:

ArmedBear
March 20, 2006, 03:23 PM
Sure, you can mock what you have never seen, to say nothing of held in your hands or shot at a clay pigeon.

A lot of Ljutics are quite plain, not to say a bit homely. They tend to have nice quality wood, but blocks of fancy walnut are really not that expensive, so it would be stupid to use lousy wood at those price ranges. People buy them for how they shoot, not how they look.

(I'm not going to get into the $30K guns; I haven't seen or shot one of those either. I'm talking about the $8-10K stuff.)

Ever shoot one?

I'm more inclined to mock someone who buys a $2000 production gun for $10K because it has excess bling-bling engraving, gold inlay, etc., than someone who buys an incredibly designed and built custom gun that helps him/her to win a spot on the Olympic team. I know such a person, BTW. She shoots well enough to justify a $10K gun. I don't.:)

spooney
March 20, 2006, 03:49 PM
So a scope for a clay pigeon? How does that work?

ArmedBear
March 20, 2006, 04:16 PM
I have no clue what the scoped model is for. I have no particular clue what the ribbed model is for, either.

But I wouldn't consider bashing it 'til I've heard Al Ljutic's explanation. His guns, in his hands and those of others, have won a lot of trophies, and broken a lot of records.

BTW the Ljutic motto is "Shotguns to last a lifetime." They mean it. That's what you pay for.

That's what I mean when I say that I'd mock someone who buys a production gun with overstated bling added for that kind of money, when he could buy a really great custom gun instead.

spooney
March 20, 2006, 04:34 PM
Not trying to bash, I mainly do redneck skeet, that is my brother and I go out the back of his house and we throw pigeons we shoot. I honestly don't know exactly what trap is anyway. I just have never seen anyone try to shoot a pigeon with a scoped gun.

mswestfall
March 20, 2006, 05:12 PM
I shoot with a couple of Ljutic owners.

You go to a trap shoot and you see a bunch of them..... though I can't say I've seen one like those pictured.

I'd love to see more pictures. I'm going to print this one for my club....

Thanks

kudu
March 20, 2006, 06:54 PM
Now I have nice shotguns, but recently a fellow I shoot with bought a $20,000 Kolar shotgun for competetive skeet. I told him it was a nice gun , but I couldn't see myself paying that much for a gun. He replied, "How many people do you know that buy a $40,000 Yukon/ Suburban/ Expedition and turn around in 3-4 years and sell it for half what they pay for it and it's half worn out to boot? This Kolar I plan to shoot as long as I live and it should still get 75% of what I paid for it in 20 years if I sell it."

This put a different perspective on prices of guns, quality guns are usually worth what they cost, and are built for hard use. If he shoots a lot, 20-30 thousand rounds a year or more would wear some guns out, the Kolar/ Krieghoff/ Ljutic/ Perazzi hold their value.

theCZ
March 20, 2006, 08:26 PM
"How many people do you know that buy a $40,000 Yukon/ Suburban/ Expedition and turn around in 3-4 years and sell it for half what they pay for it and it's half worn out to boot? This Kolar I plan to shoot as long as I live and it should still get 75% of what I paid for it in 20 years if I sell it."

Excellent point Kudu! Some guys have boats, ATVs, offroad 4x4 jeeps, horses, big trucks, snowmobiles, etc. It's all in perspective to what you spend your money on. If your biggest hobby is trap, you should have a gun that won't wear out on you.

A few months ago I was at a charity-sporting clays shoot. Some of the guys in the squad I was assigned to were talking about how their Remington 11-87 was "all the shotgun I'll ever need." They couldn't believe I'd pay $1800 for an O/U and all I'd use it for was shotgun games (SKB 85TSS). Of course, the cost of their three beers drank after the shoot compounded over a year was probably about the same as buying my gun, they would just rather drink lots of beer than have a nice gun.

sm
March 20, 2006, 10:51 PM
Define ridiculous

Folks - I have shot and handled the Ljutics.Nice guns. Now recall I shot Skeet and then went onto 5 stand, Sporting Clays and "some other stuff" using a shotgun. I have shot Trap, just for ME decided to focus on Skeet.

One cannot buy skill and Targets.

Now most of the folks that have the monies to buy a High Dollar Shotgun - can shoot - Period. They EARNED the abilities they have - and by golly if they want the pride of ownership, the custom fitted gun , nice wood and anything else that they want for ...Recall that 10% is Physical and 90% is mental. Recall sometimes one blows the competition's Mental game?

Nice shotguns deflate compeititors, Boost the shooters and not a darn thing wrong with a bunch of folks having nice shotguns.

I have shot $10K, $20K and on up to near $100k shotguns. Guess what - I have seen the owners of the guns run a Straight In Trap using a $20 Pawn shop special single shot 12 bore or similar inexpensive single shot shotgun.

It was Poor Boy Day Money raising event.

One of my old Pards Mostly used a SX1 2 bbl set, Trap/ Skeet.

I watched him run 'em from "back there" ( forget how yardage) with a Beretta 303 20 ga 50 straight. One of folks made not matter what gun - just give him a gun and he'd fell it.

He run 25/25 again in Trap with my Citori 3 bbl set for skeet [ fixed choke bbls , all set up for skeet] with the 28 ga bbls, only shells I had as I was shooting skeet, he shows up borrows my gun, glasses, pouch while I was taking a break and shooting the breeze. He runs up to the trap line and shoots trap with some folks on the line. Nobody says you "cannot" shoot Trap with a Skeet gun...
Just coming back from a meeting, pulled over to shoot one rd and on home he went...

Serious competitiors take all the edge they can get. Then again many of these can shoot anything very very well.

Good shooters are made - not born. - Misseldine

Like others I have seen this too many times. Not the gun, the person doing the shooting.

My sarcasm was pointed to those, no matter the discipline, whom try to "buy" skill and targets with equipment.

Steve

'Card
March 21, 2006, 09:39 AM
Ever shoot one?
Oh yeah. Are you kidding? I have 7, so I shoot a different one every day of the week. My favorite model Ljutic so far is called 'Thursday'. Ooops! Sorry, I meant to say I have 8 of them. (I keep forgetting that one I let slip between the couch cushions when I was cleaning the other day) My friends call me "Captain Ljutic". People that don't know me very well call me "That guy that shows up at the range with all of those high-dollar guns in the wheelbarrow."

Welcome to the internet.

Sure, you can mock what you have never seen, to say nothing of held in your hands or shot at a clay pigeon.
That's an utterly meaningless statement, since nothing I've said in this thread has anything whatsoever to do with the guns themselves or how well the guns shoot. I'd never make fun of what appears to be a finely-crafted firearm. I'll reserve my pointing and snickering for the people who buy them. :neener:

ArmedBear
March 21, 2006, 10:57 AM
I'd never make fun of what appears to be a finely-crafted firearm. I'll reserve my pointing and snickering for the people who buy them.

...whom you apparently have never met...

My experience with people who shoot high-end guns has been that they are friendly, good people, willing to give valuable advice and coaching for free, and that their scores make me do anything but snicker. And they generally started with an 870 or 500 like everybody else.

But hey, if you don't think you're making yourself progressively more ignorant and silly with each post, enjoy your solitary snickering.:cool:

'Card
March 21, 2006, 11:07 AM
I do however, reserve the right to mock them for it.
I'll reserve my pointing and snickering for the people who buy them.
...enjoy your solitary snickering.

Absolutely. As you can see, that's exactly what I've been doing, but with your endorsement I have no doubt it will prove to be a much more satisfying activity from this point forward.

Dave McCracken
March 21, 2006, 08:56 PM
Let's keep it on The High Road, guys.

Last time I shot, I shot with folks using both high end guns and things like Medgrl's YE Express,I Drive B5's motley Express with a M/C stock, Superreverb's 11-48, and a Mossie 500 belonging to a very nice guy.

My friends in the Geezer Squad shoot what they want to, which tends towards high end guns like Parkers and Model 21s and trap grade 12s.

Neither end of the cost spectrim has a monopoly on fine folks. Nor on boorish behavior and snobbery....

SShooterZ
March 23, 2006, 04:25 PM
Neither end of the cost spectrim has a monopoly on fine folks. Nor on boorish behavior and snobbery....

Well spoken.

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