Carbon-15 pistol?


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sonny
April 18, 2003, 11:42 PM
Anyone got any info on it?.......own one?...shoot one?...POS?

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Sactown
April 19, 2003, 03:01 AM
I'm pretty sure that Professional Ordnance is outta business. You'd have a hard time getting replacement parts as some of them were proprietary.

http://www.nssf.org/bulletpoints/archive/2002/100702.htm

It's down a ways on the list.

Justin
April 19, 2003, 03:22 AM
They're out of business, and the Pro-Ord carbines and pistols are rather prone to jams. To bad such a good concept was so poorly executed.

sonny
April 19, 2003, 01:40 PM
Are there any othe "223 PISTOLS" out there? ......that are recomended?

Sactown
April 19, 2003, 06:26 PM
I think Savage and Thompson Center both make single shot .223 pistols. They're not semi-auto if that is what you're looking for.

Traithe
April 20, 2003, 01:15 AM
Olympic Arms makes one called the OA-98 the following is a descripton from their website http:www.olyarms.com

The ONLY AR-style pistol using aluminum forgings, and all metal parts (except for the pistol grip) that has a removable magazine. The )A-98 is able to use any mil-spec AR-style mag. All weight has been removed in non-critical areas to ensure safety and strength.

All lower parts are standard AR-style parts, and are interchangeable with other standard GI (non-Colt's) parts. The upper is a modified component that contains the famous OA-series recoil system that eliminates the need for a buffer tube or standard recoil system of any type. There is virtually no recoil due to the gas-op OA style system, but it still packs the punch of the .223 Remington centerfire rifle cartridge. If you have any questions, please e-mail our info line. Features include:

Button cut light barrel, 6.5" OAL, 1x9" twist
No buffer tube
Detachable magazine
Uses standard AR lower parts and bolt
Weight: 48 oz
Length: 15 3/4"
MSRP $1020.00
NOW AVAILABLE!!

Check out the picture of it.

Cableman
April 21, 2003, 02:27 AM
I have one, there a lot of fun to shoot. Very loud and a big fireball, most impressive at night. No spare parts, so be forewarned.

http://www.hunting-pictures.com/members/Cableman/carbon15pistol.gif

piranha45
January 28, 2007, 03:27 PM
ANYONE HAVE COMMENTS FOR THE BUSHMASTER VERSION OF THIS GUN? These carbon15s look spiffy and fun :D

do they malfunction alot, or are they reliable?


http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/21_580


those things look fun and practical.

although perhaps this would be better in the rifle forum?

Frog48
January 28, 2007, 04:41 PM
They should be just as reliable as any Bushmaster rifle or carbine. They're basically the same thing, just with very short barrel upper, and without a stock.

With that said, I love my Bushmaster AR-15.

M2 Carbine
January 28, 2007, 05:40 PM
sonny
Are there any othe "223 PISTOLS" out there? ......that are recomended?

I've got the Bushmaster and two Kel Tec PLR-16 .223 pistols.
If you want a .223 pistol get the PLR.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/KTPLRhand.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/3223pistols.jpg

100 yards, standing, rapid fire.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/100yardsPLR1-1.jpg

PLR bench rest.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/PLR95ydsPMCmatch3226.jpg

piranha45
January 28, 2007, 06:33 PM
awesome stuff. How often do you have to deal with jams? According to stats, the plr has a 3" barrel advantage over the bushmaster so I presume thats why you'd suggest it.

M2 Carbine
January 28, 2007, 07:19 PM
The Bushmaster and first PLR required a little break in.

I believe most of the trouble I had with the AR and first PLR (which was very little) was caused by using Wolf ammo and a couple new magazines that were rubbing on the bottom of the bolt carrier.

I didn't use Wolf in the second PLR and it was totally reliable right out of the box. (Kel Tec says not to use Wolf in any Kel Tec guns)
I no longer use Wolf and all three guns are reliable.

Now if I have a jam it's caused by the brass I've reloaded too many times or a bad magazine.


I'm not knocking the Bushmaster but the Kel Tec has it beat in almost every way.
The KT costs about half as much.

The barrel is 2 inches longer so the muzzle velocity is greater. WWB is 2296fps in BM and 2514 in the PLR.

The PLR is very accurate. I haven't shot the BM at 100 yards much but it doesn't seem as accurate.

The BM uses the AR gas operating system, very dirty.
The PLR uses IMO a excellent modified AK type piston and AR type bolt. The action and bolt stays clean.

Accessories like slings and muzzle brakes/flash hiders are easy to attach to the PLR.

Personally I like the plastic material the PLR is built with better than the Carbon fiber material.

IMO the PLR is a good looking gun and I call my Bushmaster my "Paint Ball Gun".:D (I still like the BM but I wouldn't buy another one)

Kel Tec has a lifetime warranty on their guns and they stand behind it.

piranha45
January 28, 2007, 08:29 PM
oh man i am totally sold :D I have a new gun at the top of my buy list.

can you comment on the 30rd and 30+ clips?

M2 Carbine
January 29, 2007, 12:30 AM
Almost all my magazines are aluminum mil spec that I buy new at gun shows for $10-$15.

The 30 round mags work fine but I mostly use the 20 round.
By the time I've shot 20 rounds I'm usually ready to quit.:)


BTW, if you haven't seen this, it's the PLR being shot without a flash hider.:D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/PLRwithoutflashhider.jpg

And the Bushmaster pistol.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/Bushmasterfiring.jpg

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