PayPal wants ME!


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BigRedBowtie
March 23, 2006, 07:29 PM
I got a call from paypal today at my family's retail establishment. They want me to sign up as a vendor who accepts their form of payment. I listened to the whole schpiel about everything they could do for me, how little they would charge me, and how everything I could ever need would be provided free of charge. Well, I had feigned interest about as long as I could when she finally inquired of my interest in the program.

Me: "Does paypal still maintain a strong anti-gun position?"
Caller: "Yes, sir- we do."
Me: "Well, then- I am absolutely NOT INTERESTED." (firm, but not yelling)
Caller: "Oh, okay- have a nice day"
Me: "Tell them to sell those politics somewhere else."
Caller: "ok, good bye"

Felt mighty good, I must say. Most paypallers aren't in much of a position to refuse paypal. Then again, my (comparatively) miniscule amount of dollars are not likely to make a dent in the ebay/paypal empire... but- it still felt really good!!:evil:

Glad I could share.

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Eager
March 23, 2006, 07:36 PM
Thank you.

GTSteve03
March 23, 2006, 07:40 PM
I made the mistake of using PayPal a lot in the past, luckily none of it for firearms related purchases.

I still have my account open but never gave them access to my checking account. I figure that using a miniscule amount of their server space and not doing anything with it is more harmful than just canceling my account and them not knowing or caring why. :evil:

fantacmet
March 23, 2006, 07:40 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOO RIGHT ON YOU ARE MY IDOL!!!!!!

Rev. Michael

1 old 0311
March 23, 2006, 07:45 PM
I quit using Pay Pay 2 years ago. I now use Postal Money Orders. Pay Pal uses YOUR MONEY to support their anti-gun agenda.

Kevin

George S.
March 23, 2006, 07:49 PM
Isn't PayPay now owned by eBay? eBay is certainly anti (although they allow items that are related to guns like parts, but seem to arbitrarily pull some items) so it would make sense that PayPal is following suit.

boofus
March 23, 2006, 08:37 PM
I canceled my paypal account a while ago. Haven't missed it one bit. They do underhanded stuff like freeze your account whenever they want and they have absolutely no accountability like banks and other financial institutions do. Those minuses plus their anti-gun stance, no thanks.

Gadsden
March 23, 2006, 08:42 PM
I used a PayPal credit card to buy a bunch of gold and silver off of eBay. I threw that sucker in the woodstove about a month ago.

Standing Wolf
March 23, 2006, 09:20 PM
I don't ever do business with anti-Second Amendment bigots. I'm glad to see so many others don't, either.

wally
March 23, 2006, 09:41 PM
I'd refuse to use pay pal too, but Northeastern Bullet Company goes thru them. I order on my Visa card and it comes thru as "Pay Pal- NEBullet" or some such.
Best prices I've found for hard cast lead pistol bullets.

--wally.

Mizzle187
March 23, 2006, 10:00 PM
There are still many many online gun parts,ass, and ammo related companies out there that still accept PayPal! Many! :uhoh:

Gewehr98
March 23, 2006, 10:09 PM
Right under their anti-gun noses. In fact, I've got 5 gun-related items up for auction right now, with bids on them. I'm waiting for their nastygram when somebody in their food chain realizes what I've been doing. Idiots, they spout one thing, but their bread is buttered with sales of stuff they don't publically condone. :rolleyes:

gezzer
March 24, 2006, 12:14 AM
Paypal kicked me off for selling gun parts. Took 3 months to get my money from them .over a grand. Scew them :fire:

calzoom
March 24, 2006, 12:22 AM
They keep asking me to use them. Glad I read this thread about them and Ebay. Have never used either...... Won't be doing so. Just wait till I tell Momma. She will send em a real snotty letter.:what:

AndyC
March 24, 2006, 01:05 AM
Paypal is anti-gun?

Sorry, but I'm new to the States and I didn't know that - I'm looking for a link on their site which mentions this prejudice, but I can't find anything - would anyone mind pointing me in the right direction, please?

I'm buggered if my money is going to assist anti-gun bigots :fire:

Edit: Ah, wait, I do believe I've found it: "You may not use PayPal in the purchase or sale of any firearm. This includes all rifles, shotguns, and handguns, whether for use in sporting, as collectibles, or curio and relic (C&R) firearms, and regardless of their present working order. Blah, blah..."

Perhaps we could start something like a "paygun.com" and compete :neener:

rayra
March 24, 2006, 01:19 AM
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/use/index_frame-outside&ed=weapons

Firearms, Weapons, and Knives Policy

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FIREARMS
You may not use PayPal in the purchase or sale of any firearm. This includes all rifles, shotguns, and handguns, whether for use in sporting, as collectibles, or curio and relic (C&R) firearms, and regardless of their present working order. Furthermore, PayPal defines "firearm" consistent with the U.S. Code and, as such, prohibits frames, receivers, or any other serialized firearm components. For more information, please refer to U.S. Code Title 18, Section 921

Exception for Imitation and Non-Powder Guns
PayPal permits the use of its services in the sale of certain properly-conforming replica (imitation) guns, paintball guns, blank guns, and "air-soft" guns. These items must display all markings required by law, must not be able to be readily converted to shoot a lethal projectile, and blank ammunition must not be included in the sale. In addition, as no one under the age of 18 is permitted to use the PayPal Service, regardless of the jurisdiction, under no circumstances shall the use of PayPal be permitted by persons under the age of 18 for the purchase or sale of any gun, including replica (imitation) guns, paintball guns, blank guns and "air-soft" guns. For more information regarding regulations applicable to the sale of imitation firearms, please refer to U.S. Code Title 15, Section 5001. The sale of imitation guns may be regulated differently outside the U.S., and international buyers and sellers must abide by these laws accordingly.

FIREARM PARTS AND ACCESSORIES
You may not use PayPal to purchase or sell any firearm receivers or frames, components and parts of receivers and frames, or "cut" or "80%" receivers. PayPal also does not permit assault weapon-related parts and accessories, firearm silencers, and kits designed to convert a firearm to have automatic firing capability. This includes the sale of any parts or accessories prohibited for sale by the National Firearms Act or other federal or state law, including items related to short-barreled shotguns or short-barreled rifles, fully automatic weapons, large-capacity magazines, multi-burst trigger activators and camouflaging firearm containers.

For more information about the National Firearms Act (NFA) and its requirements, please refer to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms website.

AMMUNITION
You may not use PayPal to buy or sell high-capacity magazines (those which hold more than 10 rounds), ammunition with propellant (e.g., gunpowder), or blank ammunition. The term "ammunition" means ammunition or cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or propellant powder designed for use in any firearm.

DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES
You may not use PayPal in the purchase or sale of any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas bomb, grenade, grenade launcher attachment, rocket, missile, mine or similar device. Examples: Molotov cocktails, anti-tank guns (over caliber .50), bazookas, and mortars.

MILITARIA AND ORDNANCE
PayPal prohibits the use of its services in the purchase or sale of equipment or supplies issued to and formerly used by United States Armed Forces that have not been disposed of in accordance with Department of Defense demilitarization policies. Sales of such items may constitute violations of federal law.

Furthermore, you may not use PayPal in conjunction with the sale of ordnance (military weaponry, ammunition, and related parts) unless you can provide official documentation from the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) stating that the item is unserviceable or demilitarized. Contact your local ATF office for more details on obtaining such documentation.

WEAPONS
You may not use PayPal in the sale of certain hand weapons that are illegal according to federal or state laws including: nunchaku; brass or other metal knuckles; leaded canes/staffs/crutches/sticks; zip guns; shurikens/ throwing stars; hand grenades or metal replica hand grenades; and billyclubs/batons, sandclubs, sandbags, or slingshots (also known as saps or blackjacks). For any other hand weapons, sellers must make certain that the weapon is legal in all countries in which it will be available for purchase.

STUN GUNS
You may only use PayPal to sell stun guns to the extent permissible by law. Sellers are responsible for reviewing the laws in their location and the location of the buyer and ensuring that sales are legal in both locations before completing such transactions.

KNIVES
In general, you may use PayPal in the legal sale of knives, subject to the following exceptions:
Switchblade Knives. You may not use PayPal in the sale of switchblade knives. A switchblade knife is defined as any knife that resembles a pocketknife with a blade that can be released automatically or by use of a trigger. Other names for switchblades include spring-blade knife, snap-blade knife, gravity knife, and butterfly knife.


Disguised Knives. You may not use PayPal in the sale of knives disguised to look like a harmless item. This includes, but is not limited to: belt buckle knives, cane swords, shobi-zue, lipstick case knives, air gauge knives, and writing pen knives.
In addition, as no one under the age of 18 is permitted to use the PayPal service, regardless of the jurisdiction, under no circumstances shall the use of PayPal be permitted by persons under the age of 18.


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I dumped Paypal about two years ago, as well, over their policies. They were already in place before their buyout by eBay, they were brought in synch with eBay's policies around the same time.
I still use eBay for non-firearm items, and I use postal money orders for my purchases / sales. Whenever a purchaser presses for me to accept paypal, I decline and tell them exactly why. Had about a 1/3 of them thank me for alerting them to Paypal's anti- policies.

Creeping Incrementalism
March 24, 2006, 01:43 AM
I hardly used PayPal at all, but emptied account my account and stopped using them when I found out.

I don't know what PayPal's problem is. Visa, Mastercard, or the Post Office don't care if you use their service to transfer money related to a gun sale.

SACOLT
March 24, 2006, 01:52 AM
What do you mean anti-gun, looks like they are anti-self defense.

Lupinus
March 24, 2006, 09:48 AM
I stopped using paypal after they screwed me over. Had an automatic monthly deduction that I canceled but yet they still took out costing me 10 bucks plus the 31 for a bounce on my checking account.

Gave me some bs back and fourth between them and the company. PP says well you need to cancel with them (which I did) and also with us, which I did. The company doesn't even bill you you either send them your monthly fee or loose your premium gaming features untill you do and it all relys on paypals monthly thingamajo to send it in every month. They refused to even return my ten dollars let alone the 31 the bank charged me and I ended up getting it back from the bank as a courtesy and they said that this is not the first time they have delt with it. Since then I have used them exactly one time because the money was going to a friend and it was a courtesy for her.

Mizzle187
March 24, 2006, 10:57 AM
I know of off the top of my head (2) online stores that sell ammo that accept PayPal, (4) that sell stocks,mags,etc... and accept PayPal, (2) that sell EVERYTHING AR-15 including uppers that accept PayPal. These that In tlak about actually advertise somewhere on there website that they accept PayPal. Im not talkinh about sending them an email asking them and they say yes actually advertising! I will not name names becuase I have used these companies with no problems. Some of them are small operations but two of them are pretty damn big! I have no proof of this next statement but I believe PayPal is anti-gun on the outside but on the inside they arent too worried about it becuase dont go to far out of their way to find these "gunnies".

BryanP
March 24, 2006, 11:14 AM
Unfortunately, as someone mentioned already, you can use PayPal without realizing it. I made a purchase yesterday on a web site that offered PayPal or credit cards as payment options. I selected credit card, but it was still handled via PayPal.

Dirk Pitt
March 24, 2006, 01:18 PM
I closed my PAYPAL yesterday due to this and other threads like it. They can take there policy and do something with it.
:barf:

BigRedBowtie
March 24, 2006, 03:15 PM
Well, I see this got busy while I was gone. I'm glad I could be of service to some of you, and an inspiration to others. Continue the good work, fellas!

CAPTAIN MIKE
March 24, 2006, 07:11 PM
Okay, let's see.

If PayPal is used by gun stores and firearms dealers, and used for ammunition purchases how is it they have an "anti-gun" policy?

Maybe I've been living in the cave too long, but I never connected PayPal with anything having to do with firearms. I thought the business they were in was as a go-between for retailers and customers.

3 weelin geezer
March 24, 2006, 07:36 PM
I buy gun related stuff with their help I just don't tell on the payscreen for what it is. I usually call it goods and services as opposed to an auction on XXXXXXX.com. They don't ask (sort of) but I won't tell them. I just write the seller and inform them what they are getting paid for and how it will appear when they get that email and I am happy. :neener: paypal! I figger its payback for all the other times they gave me the runaround and "lost" my information then blocked my cc. I called them and they put me on hold for almost $10 ( I was using a payphone because I don't have long distance) yeah, it took them that long to decide to send me a check for $300 for a guitar synth I sold on ebay. The seemed to be losing my information as we spoke. Then they wanted to block my CC number but I just got another. :neener: So, now I make it a point to pay this way if I can to get my stuff faster and protest this stupid policy. Who cares what I buy its my money and they are just doing a job. Its not their place to tell me what I can or can't buy. Since when do employees tell the employer how to run the company?

StarLynx
March 24, 2006, 07:49 PM
I requested they cancel my account over a year ago...& send me a check for the Money in there...They told me that it was sent to my address somewhere in Russia....Well that would be kewl..but I happen to live in TEXAS!!..It seems somebody hacked into several accts & changed the address of Account holders....A Buddy that bought some Gun accessories from me ..anticipated that I still had the account..Just last month..shot the money to me Via Paypal....& they took it..But won't give it to me till I send them proof of who I am...It seems a hacker in the Soviet Union..has more access to my account than I do!!!.....So far they owe me over $400...Screw those Basterds...PayPal isn't worth the Bullet or Plastique to blow em all away..:cuss: :banghead:

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