State CCW / Incident Statistics?


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CAPTAIN MIKE
March 24, 2006, 10:40 PM
Some time ago John Lott wrote in a study that there were some 2 million U.S. incidents per year in which a legally-armed citizen used a firearm to stop a crime and that in 95% (??) of the cases, the firearm was never discharged.

Some states have published statistics on the number of CCW holders for their particular state, etc. but I was wondering if anyone knows of any statistics pertaining to CCW permit holders and their relationship to the incidents above cited by John Lott.

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F4GIB
March 25, 2006, 01:42 AM
It is all "survey" data (with all the uncertainty and challengeability that goes with surveys).

Gary Kleck (FSU) found data to support an estimated number of successful defensive gun uses ("DGU") at 2.5 million (all guns) and 1.5 million (just handguns). His data is good but not perfect. Anti-gunners Cook (Duke) and Ludwig confirmed the numbers but griped about methodology (staticistian's version of self-abuse)

Kleck's data supported no shooting in about 90% of the cases. That means shooting in 10% of the cases which cannot be accurate given the much lower number of reported shots fired. The % of no shoots must be much higher.

No one knows. Most pro-gun speakers estimate 98% or more and I've never heard an anti disagree. They disagree aggressively about whether anyone "knows" (claiming no one's research is any good, even their own) but they don't seriously challenge "over 98%" as a sound estimate.

In reality, it's probably under 1/2 a percent. The bad guys don't argue with a .45 pointed at their face.

NukemJim
March 25, 2006, 08:18 AM
You might want to check out this thread

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=188836

I believe the survey you are talking about is referred to below

1 Losing raw data on phone survey.

2 Not having any records on phone survey, no numbers called, no checks for students, unable to find any students who did it, unable to find any phone records for when it was done etc..( Yes he had a hard drive crash. I repeat he had a hard drive crash ) but if you do not keep better research records than that maybe you should be in a different field.


I agree with F4GIB

No one knows. Most pro-gun speakers estimate 98% or more and I've never heard an anti disagree. They disagree aggressively about whether anyone "knows" (claiming no one's research is any good, even their own) but they don't seriously challenge "over 98%" as a sound estimate.


NukemJim

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