7.62 X 54R Question


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Mikee Loxxer
March 29, 2006, 05:49 PM
I recently purchased 75 rounds of surplus 7.62X 54R for the .311 bullets. I pulled everyone of them and learned a few things. Some had dented primers and upon pulling the bullet found that no powder was loaded. Some had the same headstamp but there were different kinds of powder in them. Others had what appeared to be a fiber wad behind the bullet with a bundle of long amber colored tubes under this wad filling up the rest of the case. Any idea on what this kind of cartridge might be?

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BigG
March 30, 2006, 09:17 AM
The long tubes would be cordite.

Mikee Loxxer
March 30, 2006, 09:28 AM
Thanks, I did not know what cordite looked like. Why would there be a wad between the cordite and the bullet?

BigG
March 30, 2006, 09:44 AM
Cordite was an early single base smokeless powder that burned hotter than the later double base types. The wad was to protect the bullet and also to keep the sticks back against the primer flash for good ignition.

Third_Rail
March 30, 2006, 10:16 AM
What was the headstamp on those?

Mikee Loxxer
March 30, 2006, 11:22 AM
I will have to take a look. I will let you know what the headstamp is later.

Mikee Loxxer
March 31, 2006, 09:30 AM
Third_Rail,

The headstamp shows a K follows by an arrow and then by an F at the 12 o'clock position. At the seven o'clock position is the Roman numeral 7 (VII). At the three o'clock position is 3-40. Sorry for not being able to post a picture.

The_Antibubba
April 1, 2006, 07:39 PM
Dang, those are old rounds! Is cordite corrosive (I'm sure those primers are)? How old would those rounds have to be?

Dave Markowitz
April 3, 2006, 03:02 PM
Those rounds are not 7.62x54R, at least the ones with Cordite. They are .303 Britsh Mk. VII loads. Cordite was used only by the Brits, and your description matches .303 Mk. VII exactly.

1 old 0311
April 3, 2006, 04:37 PM
Save the Cordite. If you need a day off work eat a little, and in 20-30 minutes you will vomit, and run a temperature. This lasts for about 45 minutes, then you are fine again.:evil: :evil: :evil:

Kevin

WayneConrad
April 3, 2006, 05:24 PM
Kevin, I keep wanting to ask how you know this. Then I think better of it, and don't ask. But... no, never mind! :)

Mikee Loxxer
April 3, 2006, 05:40 PM
Dave,

Thanks for the heads up. I am somewhat unfamiliar wtih .303 Brit. I suspect that some .303 Brit was intermingled with the 7.62X54R that I bought. The guy who bagged it must not have differentiated between the two. They do look similar being rimmed full size 30 caliber cartridges. Now I need to seperate the .303 bullets from the .311 bullets.

Mikee Loxxer
April 3, 2006, 05:41 PM
Has anyone here ever lit a stick of Cordite to see how it burns? Supposedly it will continue to burn even when submerged.

Dave Markowitz
April 3, 2006, 08:36 PM
Mikee,

The bullets from the .303 may be .311" in diameter. However, they will not have the same bearing surface nor weight as bullets yanked from 7.62x54R. .303 Mk. VII has a 174 grain bullet.

I have pulled apart dud .303 Mk. VII and lit the Cordite. I lit one end and it burned like a quick fuse. It should burn underwater, since gunpowder does not require the presence of an external oxygen source to burn.

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