Nebraska "shall issue"?


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fjolnirsson
March 30, 2006, 11:09 PM
Just saw this on another forum. The Nebraska legislature apparently passed it, just waiting for the Governors signature, which is expected.
Anybody else heard about this, or have a link?
That would make 40 states with some form of CCW.

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ElTacoGrande
March 30, 2006, 11:17 PM
That would make 40 states with some form of CCW.

Not exactly! Now there are 48 states with some form of CCW. It will be 49 by the end of next year. So taking that into account...

41 states: "shall issue" or Vermont-carry
2 states: effectively shall issue
5 states: "may issue", some of them quite easy, depending on the county, and actually some of them are going shall-issue within a few years
1 state (HI): "may issue" on the books, never used, should count as "no CCW"
1 state (IL): No CCW

So I would say that we effectively have about 45 states that are shall-issue or nearly shall-issue. 5 states are may-issue. 2 states never issue.

CCW is really moving along here.

If Jim's fight succeeds, we'll score the biggest prize of all: getting California to become "almost shall issue". That's pretty speculative at this point though. But if it happens... the biggest (by pop) state will finally join the winning side.

I'll say it again: CCW reform is the most important victory in the gun rights movement. It effectively "immunizes" a state against gun control laws by giving people a state authorization to use guns for self-defense, and by making questions about firearms features (mag size, etc) trivial and ridiculous.

fjolnirsson
March 30, 2006, 11:44 PM
Oops. I meant to type 48. Darn fingers. Yeah, it'd be nice if CA would reform, and even nicer if they'd start honoring CHLs from other states. Like FLorida, or Utah.
Hey, I can dream. I left behind some people I would actually like to see again. I just won't go back unarmed.
The spread of CCW is a nice change. It's not the all out, no permit, respecting the Constitution type of freedom I'd like to see, but it's a start. If I can't have the steak dinner I want, I'm not gonna throw out the mozzeralla sticks to try and change the cook's mind.
Boy, that was an odd analogy. I need to get to bed.:confused:

F4GIB
March 30, 2006, 11:50 PM
fjolnirsson posted: Yeah, it'd be nice if CA would reform, and even nicer if they'd start honoring CHLs from other states. Like FLorida, or Utah.

Too bad Oregon doesn't either.

AZRickD
March 30, 2006, 11:58 PM
Here is CCRKBA's press release on the matter...

NEWS RELEASE

AND THEN ONLY TWO REMAINED; CCRKBA HAILS PASSAGE OF CCW BILL IN NEBRASKA

BELLEVUE, WA – The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) today congratulated the Nebraska Legislature for passing a concealed carry bill, which pro-gun Republican Gov. Dave Heineman has promised to sign.

Passage of this legislation leaves only two states remaining where anti-self-defense Democrats have prevented citizens from having the legal means of personal protection: Wisconsin and Illinois. Nebraska lawmakers passed the bill on a 33-12 vote.

“This is a great step for Nebraska’s law-abiding gun owners,” said CCRKBA Executive Director Joe Waldron, “and a bad day for criminals and for the extremist anti-gunners who bitterly fought this legislation. Today, Nebraska becomes the 40th state with a true ‘right-to-carry’ law that criminals fear.

“Common-sense laws that make it possible for law-abiding citizens to carry guns for their personal protection, and the defense of their families, have proven effective in reducing violent crime,” Waldron added. “Equally important, there has not been a single case where the hysteria-driven predictions about ‘Wild West’ gunfights at traffic accidents or taverns have come true. We’re confident that Nebraskans will soon demonstrate that they are as responsible as citizens in dozens of other states where concealed carry is already the law. They will prove that opponents of reasonable concealed carry measures deal in empty rhetoric.

“Our hats are off especially to pro-gun Republican Senator Jeanne Combs, who sponsored this measure,” Waldron stated. “Nebraska residents who have fought for ten years to pass a concealed carry law can thank Combs, a registered nurse, for her hard work shepherding this bill through the process. She and her 32 colleagues who passed this legislation prove that there are still lawmakers who trust their fellow citizens with the most basic of civil rights.

“We look forward to seeing Gov. Heineman sign LB 454 into law,” Waldron concluded.

SomeKid
March 31, 2006, 12:25 AM
Did it have reciprocation?

Autolycus
March 31, 2006, 12:55 AM
ElTacoGrande: What 2 states are effectively shall issue? I am curious about that.

Congratulations Nebraska. If only we could exercise our rights here in IL...:fire:

ElTacoGrande
March 31, 2006, 03:52 AM
Tecumseh,

Alabama and Iowa. Iowa's law is probably going to be reformed so it is even more issuing without being technically shall-issue. I think some other may-issue states (maybe some small East Coast states) are nearly shall-issue or are getting better.

Here in California, most of the rural counties (especially in Northern California) are effectively shall-issue. If we can get rid of Sheriff Baca here in LA, it will be a major shift in the whole state's issuing policies; the rest of the state (minus SF) will probably follow LA's lead. And if Jim's court case goes well we could also get the state to being fairly close to shall-issue.

As for IL, I think you have no hope, at least not for another 5 or 10 years. Political power can shift slowly. Maybe it will shift for the better, or maybe not.

Certainly CCW keeps marching ahead.

SomeKid
March 31, 2006, 04:03 AM
Taco, I would throw IA in the same catagory as CA. Quite a few sheriffs who are very picky. Check Packing.org for more details.

Back to Nebraska.

Some other posters may have seen this, I caught this link from packing.

http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2006/03/30/top_story/doc442c56e9893e4313357926.txt

Down near the end some bad news crops, up, they may have some loopholed state pre-emption. I had always thought Nebraska already had some pre-emption, but that may not be so. Also, you can see some people writing comments. Nice to see the...'enlightened' responses.

Don't Tread On Me
March 31, 2006, 04:32 AM
1 state (IL): No CCW

Illinois is disgusting. What a bunch of Hitleresque extremists. They ought to just come out of the closet and start goose-stepping already! What is the holdup with them? Why/How do such anti-gun, Constitution hating Social-Fascists get elected over and over? New York can be pretty bad, but my God, Illinois is just out of control :fire: What do you expect from the state that produced Abraham Lincoln. :banghead:

Even the rabid gun-haters in Kalifornigrad have "we-might-issue." If A] you live in a rural county B] you're a movie star C] You're rich D] You're connected. :uhoh:


Good job Nebraska!!!!! These mid-west states have been lagging behind way too long. The people of these states are pro-gun, and it's taken a while for the will of the people to overcome these archaic anti-gun ideas perpetuated by the establishment.


Sorry for the rant. It is just driving me nutz how the government in Illinois can be so intransigent in rejecting American liberty, law, and culture. :(

K-Romulus
March 31, 2006, 09:27 AM
I think some other may-issue states (maybe some small East Coast states) are nearly shall-issue or are getting better.

I think you may be talking about Connecticut and Delaware(?).

Delaware (I believe) just converted to a fair-issue system this year.

Connecticut seems to only exercise its may-issue veto on an applicant if something comes up during the background check.

The other "small East Coast state" of Maryland appears to have let its fair-issue bills die in committee this year (so said the latest MSI email alert).

What is sad is that, since no firearms-related bills made it out of committee (including the AWB), this could be seen as a pro-gun-owner victory year here!:eek:

mack
March 31, 2006, 09:55 AM
Don't Tread On Me, Wrote:

"Illinois is disgusting. What a bunch of Hitleresque extremists. They ought to just come out of the closet and start goose-stepping already! What is the holdup with them? Why/How do such anti-gun, Constitution hating Social-Fascists get elected over and over?"

One word, Chicago.

Two words, Da Mayor

More words, the republican party in Illinois has self desructed and in the last decade has ripped itself to shreds through party in fighting between conservatives and rinos, both have worked to sabotage each others candidates even when it meant a democratic getting elected. Also the republicans rinos, who have maintained control of the party through all the in fighting, have backed obviously corrupt candidates (see former Gov. George Ryan - on trial now for exhibit A), and supported them even when that corruption has become public.

The last four years has seen democrats take control of both the state senate and house, as well as all the state wide offices except for treasurer. There is some good news, there is no where to go but up.the republicans actually have a viable candidate for governor - which they haven't had in 8 years, and citizens living outside of Chicago and south of I80 are getting fed up with the arrogance of Chicago running the state - the governor is the mayors lap dog and doesn't even bother to live or stay in the state capital - but lives and runs the state out of his new offices in Chicago. Gotta love it. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

bowfin
March 31, 2006, 10:47 AM
We had a State Senator here in Nebraska who bragged he would tie the whole State Legislature up (We only have a single house in our legislature) and bring it to a standstill before he would allow the CCW to pass. He is eating crow now.

The guys in Omaha are steaming that "their" mayor is thinking about not allowing CCW in Omaha. The first candidate for mayor who chirps up and says he would allow it will be the next mayor of Omaha, guaranteed.

Previously, we had an "affirmative defense" statute that stated if you were caught carrying concealed, but could offer reason for doing so, it would not be prosecutable. Of course, your good reason may not be considered so by a judge or jury.

Dr.Doug
March 31, 2006, 11:11 AM
Bowfin-
Nice to see Ernie finally take it in the shorts on this one!

Go Big Red!

Doug

Jim March
March 31, 2006, 11:17 AM
New Jersey is almost as bad as Hawaii. New York City seriously stinks, upstate isn't so bad. Rhode Island isn't very good.

But overall, we're WAY past the tipping point in our favor.

fjolnirsson
March 31, 2006, 08:49 PM
fjolnirsson posted:
Quote:
Yeah, it'd be nice if CA would reform, and even nicer if they'd start honoring CHLs from other states. Like FLorida, or Utah.

Too bad Oregon doesn't either.

Well, we're working on it. Among other things.

bigun15
March 31, 2006, 09:17 PM
Even the rabid gun-haters in Kalifornigrad have "we-might-issue." If A] you live in a rural county B] you're a movie star C] You're rich D] You're connected.

I'm not going to argue B-D, but Central and Northern California (while not as populated as the South) aren't exactly empty, and look how they hold up.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y295/bigun15/CA-CCW.jpg

ElTacoGrande
March 31, 2006, 09:37 PM
That map is somewhat optimistic from what I understand. Los Angeles, for example, should be red; it probably has a lower issuance ratio than the state of New Jersey. Riverside and San Diego should also be red I think. Orange County is not quite green either. But yeah, especially in Northern California, it's very easy to get a permit.

We need to get very focused in the sheriff's elections here in CA. Most people really don't care or know about it, which benefits incumbents. Every sheriff in the state runs on the same platform: commitment to public safety. Voters have little reason to vote for one or the other. We need to get organized and let incumbents know that there is a big block of single-issue sheriff's election voters in every county who DO have an issue they care about, who are aware, and who are enough to tip elections.

I've actually started on a project related to that. Stay tuned.

There aren't many counties here. We can win them (minus SF) one at a time.

Start looking for a job Sheriff Baca!

Standing Wolf
March 31, 2006, 09:40 PM
Illinois is disgusting. What a bunch of Hitleresque extremists. They ought to just come out of the closet and start goose-stepping already! What is the holdup with them? Why/How do such anti-gun, Constitution hating Social-Fascists get elected over and over?

Illinois is more communist than fascist. Its shameless anti-Second Amendment bigots get elected on two scams: welfare and racism.

Pramunitus
March 31, 2006, 09:45 PM
Please don't call Iowa anything close to "Shall Issue". IowaCarry.org members have surveyed all permits the past two years. In about half of the 99 counties, it is virtual "Shall Issue". In the other half (worse, the closer to Illinois) it is very restrictive, and in places-- "No Issue".

HF2753 is expected to pass the House next week. It still isn't "Shall Issue", but does give denied applicants the right to appeal. It also contains reciprocity for the states which currently recognize Iowa's permit, and have "equal or greater" training standards.

Check out IowaCarry.org to learn more, or to join our fight for fair issuing.

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