[Zorro]

NOT!

.308 is POOR ballisticly compared to even a .30-06!

.270 even worse.

Magnums? .308 Winchester is as obsolete as a Studebaker!

.308 Winchester is an obsolete cartridge that can't even hold the jock strap for a .30-06.

7MM Remington Magnum is a FAR BETTER sniper round than even a suicide over pressure .308!

(Sanitized on account of confusion about what website in which author was posting. :), Art.)

[WonderNine]

As far as I know the .308 is very similiar to the .30-06 except that the .308's case length is shorter. But it has similiar (though a tad less energy) ballistics to the .30-06, does it not?? :confused:

[boing]

You know, it's really nothing to get worked up about. :rolleyes:

[c_yeager]

has this knowledge finally given your life some kind of fulfillment?

[Badger Arms]

Ballistics aren't some voodoo science. They are a simple result of pressure curves, case capacity, caliber, bullet weight, barrel length, etc. The poster should remember that the .308 was designed to nearly duplicate the 30-06 150gr load in a shorter case. Why this is a quandry is beyond me. Shorter, smaller capacity case running at higher pressures will come cose, but not meet the larger case. Being shorter, it has less ability to use larger bullets and cannot be pushed as much as the parent cartridge.

There are so many cases based on this case. Remember that hundreds of cartridges are based on the 8x57 Mauser round of around 1888. Cartridges of this same rim and base diameter have been shortened, lengthened, blown out, necked down, had steep shoulders, shallow shoulders, minimal taper, lots of taper, short neck, long neck cases. These cases have been made from brass, steel, aluminum, and even plastic. They shoot sabot, blank, shot, tracer, explosive, wooden, plastic, frangible, solid, hollow-point, and ball ammo. Such wonders as the 22-250, 35 Whelen, 30-06, 243, and 7.92x33mm Kruz were all based on the SAME CARTRIDGE. Give me a rest, there's nothing wrong with the cartridge whatever you do with it

[WonderNine]

The poster should remember that the .308 was designed to nearly duplicate the 30-06 150gr load in a shorter case. Why this is a quandry is beyond me. Shorter, smaller capacity case running at higher pressures will come cose, but not meet the larger case. Being shorter, it has less ability to use larger bullets and cannot be pushed as much as the parent cartridge.

That's kinda what I was thinkin' ;)

[Pheonix]

Ya know, the Studebaker is comming back!:D

[RUT]

>>Ya know, the Studebaker is comming back!<<

And I was always quite fond of them anyway!!

[seeker_two]

.308
.30-06
.270

Everyone KNOWS they're way underpowered & couldn't kill any game larger than a well-fed nutria...

Besides, what do guys like Cooper, O'Connor, Keith, Patton, the Green Berets, and the entire US Marine Corps know anyway?...


(Some people...:banghead: )

[cratz2]

.308 is a great caliber. In it you can have anything from a 30-30 lever action, a 7.62x51 semi auto, .30-06, .300 Win Mag, 300 Weatherby or even the ungodly overbore .30-378.

I would say that the .308 Winchester is a quite capable cartridge though. ;)

[Sven]

To quote a moderator here on THR:

"The difference between .308 and .223 on humans is mostly of concern to worms."

[Badger Arms]

.308 is a great caliber. In it you can have anything from a 30-30 lever action, a 7.62x51 semi auto, .30-06, .300 Win Mag, 300 Weatherby or even the ungodly overbore .30-378.

That's funny. You left out the 32acp and the 30 carbine.

[e5c03]

All being said above leads me to believe that the only cartridge to have is a .700 nitro express in the full auto 10/22 rig
:neener: :neener: :neener: :neener: :neener: :neener:

[Sir Galahad]

Zorro, could you please give some facts from documented sources to back up your opinions?

[ojibweindian]

Not that I'm a huge fan of the .308, but I'll bet ya $500 that you wouldn't stand still and be a target for someone willing to prove you wrong...

[gryphon]

Why hasn't this thread been closed yet? It is serving absolutely no purpose in my mind other than wasting server space and bandwidth. :mad:

[Sven]

Why keep the thread alive? Hmmm...

[Sir Galahad]

Keep the thread open so Zorro can cite his sources to back up his opinions. If, indeed, he has any.

Zorro, you've been called. You need to show your hand or fold. Play poker.

[Kaylee]

The thread is still open 'cause after that initial bit which Art kindly tailored, everyone's been civil. So long as it stays that way, it will remain open. :)

We don't require threads have a purpose -- only that they stay polite.

- K

[boing]

Well, that starts a dangerous precedent. ;)

[twoblink]

If the 308 is vastly inferior... then what about the .223?!!!

There is nothin that that the 223 can kill that the 308 can't, and there are plenty the 308 can kill that the 223 won't be able to.

As far as a purpose for the thread.. However useless, I find this thread to be more educational that most public schools... :p

[Thundercleese]

Eh, maybe. But all that aside, the .308 has a lot of personality.

Personality goes a long way :)

The .308 is the round people go to when they graduate from the mouse gun ranks and don't want to deal with the monster magnums or the "obscure" long action calibers.

[91101]

Keep the thread open so Zorro can cite his sources to back up his opinions

He probably won't...

[762x51]

Sounds as if someone is

http://www.starfish.govt.nz/shared-graphics-for-download/trolling.jpg

:D

[El Rojo]

I missed the initial comments. Could a moderator post them again? :p

I like my 2 .308,s and I interchange bullets and powder with my 4 .30-06s and one 7.5x55.

As far as Zorro goes, congratulations on your new ephinany. I hope it brings you joy.

[Sir Galahad]

Well, I think we've learned two things here. Don't pick calibers based on Zorro's advice. And don't play poker with the man, either.

[Frohickey]

Now, all of you with 308Win chambered rifles and pistols should send them to Frohickey. I'll even take them for free, instead of charging you guys/gals a salvage fee. :p

[atek3]

pretend we started from a clean slate. No previous rifle designs, no common brass or bullets. Few people would go for the 308. As a hunting round it's fine, but as a military round, it leaves a lot to be demanded. A slightly shortened 6.5-08 (ala 264 boston or 260 ghengis) would be a better choice imho. better ballistics, less recoil, with the right bullet, better penetration.

atek3

[tetchaje1]

260 ghengis

260 Ghengis? :confused:

Gives new meaning to the word Wildcat... ;)

[Sven]

atek3:

How long have you been into the shooting sports?

I only ask because I've only been at this for a couple years, and yet I haven't been able to form opinions as concrete as you... probably because I've been slacking.

-sven, ready for another Bay Area shoot

[atek3]

I'm not a gun nut. I just play one on the bullitin boards :)
No really, when I get 'into' something, be it chem or cryptology or psytrance or guns, I try and study all that I possibly can about that subject until I'm like, okay, got to get a life :)
But seriously I bought my first gun in 2001. I was 19 at the time.

atek3

[lostdog]

steyr prohunter mountain stainless, .308, vari-x III weaver mount, hornady load # 8098.

1/3" 3 shot group at 100 yds. Have seen the same load kill deer in thier tracks....actually have not seen one get up from a properly placed .308 of good construction. shoot what you like, and shoot it well. I wouldn't sell this gun for love, money, or blood

[Jedi_7.62]

Well if anyone has decided Zorro is correct and .308's are crap and need to clean up their collection I'll gladly accept them just as relics to marvel and laugh at. I'll give them a good home where they will all be happy and respected in retirement of course.



I'm opening Jedi's retirement hope for unwanted .308's spaces available now.

:D :D :D :D :D

[Sir Galahad]

I heard .308s are going to be relegated to .177 pellet rifle matches. Of course, the .177 has the advantage...