what is so bad about the "J" lock"


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belton-deer-hunter
March 31, 2006, 12:05 PM
i got an 870 a bout 2 months ago and i am wondering what is so bad about the j locks it seems like a reall go idesa and if you dont like it you can jsut leave it off. i would like to know what the oppions of overy one esle is.

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Correia
March 31, 2006, 12:10 PM
Belton, the J lock sucks. I was able to engage one by twisting it with my fingertips. I don't like "features" like that on a gun. Personal opinion? If you get an 870 with a J lock, swap the safety for something better.

And I've just got to say this, nobody is ever going to take you serious in life if you can't learn to write better.

belton-deer-hunter
March 31, 2006, 12:18 PM
i have not tried to twist it with my fingerts but if that works then it could be a hazzard to your self if it switches over and you cant shoot whne you need to

Fred Fuller
March 31, 2006, 12:28 PM
There's nothing really wrong with a J-lock safety on a purely sporting shotgun.

Given that they have been known to lock themselves under normal manipulation in use and in training however, they have NO PLACE on a gun that might be called on for serious service. AFAIK Remington never installed this "feature" on its line of law enforcement shotguns- that ought to tell you something about it. If not being able to get your safety off when you need to fire a shot means you miss a clay pigeon or a game bird, that's not really a big deal. If it happens to be a home invader, that might be a different story.

I will not have a shotgun so equipped in my home, since any given one of my Remington shotguns might get called on for serious duty at any time. YMMV of course.

lpl/nc

sm
March 31, 2006, 12:42 PM
J lock is a solution to a non-existent problem.

Just something for feel good legalese to cover manufacturer's butt.

Like Correia, I too can lock a 870 up so fast with no tools.
As Lee shared, no place for these on a serious shotgun.
I have seen and heard of hunters and even two gunsmiths snicking these on. The hunters did not have the tool to unlock the gun. Hunt ended early.
The gunsmiths - one had a tool from another gun to use, another had to run down the road and borrow one.

In serious competition, big money on the line - I and others removed the safety all together. It was legal, just had to inform RO and SO same as if one shoots release triggers. When one bird is worth $500, or maybe even $2k...serious shooting, serious money on the line.

I have a brain, and adhere to 4 rules like most of us . NONE of us every had a ND using a shotgun with the total safey removed on purpose. And I am speaking about folks that have run hundreds of thousands of rds thru a shotgun.

PJR
March 31, 2006, 02:45 PM
How bad is it? It's so bad that Remington doesn't put them on their Police line. I think that says a great deal.

No J-lock guns for me.

Mendel5
March 31, 2006, 03:10 PM
How much to have one removed? Is it worth the extra time and money? I just got one, and never really thought about those issues, so I guess I'll have it removed. I don't want to spend lots of cash on it, though. That would be a serious problem when I'd rather spend the money on shells and clay pigeons.

danurve
March 31, 2006, 04:32 PM
The J lock on my 700 in an inconvenience at best. Most of the time it is off. However having learned the hard way, don't forget the J-key when I take it hunting, or even to the range.

waterhouse
March 31, 2006, 05:44 PM
There's nothing really wrong with a J-lock safety on a purely sporting shotgun.

I beg to differ. It hasn't happened to me (none of mine have locks), but my cousin got out to the blind one day with a locked J-lock and no key. There is something really wrong with going duck hunting and not being able to shoot your shotgun. I get a bad feeling in my stomach just thinking about it.

I get your point though.

I believe Remington has done away with the J-Locks on new models.

BlackJack
March 31, 2006, 08:06 PM
I've had Remington shotguns and rifles both with and without J-locks on them. I've replaced the J-lock safety on an 870 with a non-J lock item and have replaced the bolt shroud on a Rem 700 with a non-J lock item. Neither change is hard to do but both cost a little money--more than they should in my opinion. But my experience has also been that firearms with the J-lock don't lock themselves or operate improperly in any way. I never use the the J lock to secure the firearms so none of mine are ever turned on.

I report all that to say it just doesn't matter to me whether there is a J lock on a gun or not. It doesn't have an effect one way or the other on my shooting.

thegodmanson
April 1, 2006, 02:05 AM
I just bought an 870 Express super mag a couple days ago and it has the J lock :(

Onmilo
April 1, 2006, 05:02 PM
Ahhh, I was going to say that you lock the gun to be on the safe side and then forget to bring a key to unlock it when you get to the range or out in the field but somebody already suggested that little problem.

I managed to unlock one for a guy at our range by manipulating it with two pin punches.

enfield
April 1, 2006, 08:03 PM
What's wrong? I don't need the d@mned thing!!

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