Best SHTF rifle in .308


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Alex45ACP
April 2, 2006, 09:19 PM
What is the best SHTF rifle in .308?

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FunGunner
April 2, 2006, 10:11 PM
Me? NEF Handie Rifle with a SuperSniper on top. But, thats just me.

miko
April 2, 2006, 10:11 PM
Remington 7600 Pump with 10-rd mags? Shoots (aimed) as fast as semi-auto and as accurately as a bolt-action (considering <$400 price).
Will eat any ammo, since ejection/chambering is manual.
Weight is 7.5 pounds which is easy to carry. Legal in most places where semi-autos are not.

miko

itgoesboom
April 2, 2006, 10:15 PM
I won't claim it as the best, but it is what I got, and what I got is what will get me through.

My CETME. Accurate, reliable. That's all I really need.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/itgoesboom/CETMECamo-03.jpg

I.G.B.

mustanger98
April 2, 2006, 11:12 PM
What is the best SHTF rifle in .308?

Best .308 rifle for whom? There are a lot of good choices, but the final choice comes down to what works best for the individual. For me, that'd be a .308 M1 Garand, or a crankbolt such as an Israeli K98k or an Ishapore 2A as I'm used to all three of those platforms. Or if I could have a Savage M11GL in .308Win. as I'm already used to one of those in .243Win.

Me? NEF Handie Rifle with a SuperSniper on top. But, thats just me.

That NEF would be hard to beat for reliability and durability IMO.

My CETME. Accurate, reliable. That's all I really need.

No knockin' the CETME, but this is where it comes down to what an individual's used to. One guy may be used to a CETME and not a Garand or M14. The next guy may be just the opposite. In either case, both guys need accurate and reliable.

Alex45ACP
April 2, 2006, 11:13 PM
Just in general. Reliable, accurate enough, semi auto.

hso
April 3, 2006, 12:26 AM
FAL

brandyspaw
April 3, 2006, 12:40 AM
For me, if you want a true SHTF 308 rifle the best choice is the HK-91
or a good functioning clone of this rifle (or a well built CETME).
If you are truely in a SHTF situation you need something that has unquestioned reliability and something that won't need a ton of maintainence or parts replacement. In the 308 arena the HK-91 is it.

Its not without its flaws: It has a heavy trigger, its not the most ergonomic gun to use and there is the lack of the bolt locking open on the last shot. However, if you need a 308 gun for the worst possible conditions the HK system is it.

longhorngunman
April 3, 2006, 08:26 AM
For SHTF? Good AR-15 and a lot of ammo. If you need to take shots over 200 yards during the SHTF then the .308 would be more ideal. And though I just got a PTR and like it a lot, in a SHTF situation it's lack of a bolt hold open, bad charging handle location, and cumbersome mag release make me inclined to go with the FAL for SHTF.

steveracer
April 3, 2006, 09:44 AM
Get an AR-15, and an expect that to meet almost all your needs. Get an NEF Handi-rifle, scoped, in .308 for longer-range use. These are fantastically accurate at long range, and very inexpensive and break down for easy transport.
I'd think that if this didn't meet your needs (two rifles is kind of a pain in the a$$) get the PTR-91K. 16" .308. Great rifle, and lighter than the full-size. If you're worried about the bolt not locking back, put two tracer rounds in the bottom of each magazine. When you see a tracer, reload.
The only limitation with the PTR is that it really does not lend itself to optic mounting, and therefore you better have good eyes.

Ian
April 3, 2006, 12:48 PM
What is the best SHTF rifle in .308?

Whichever one you shoot the best. I like my M1.

High Planes Drifter
April 3, 2006, 04:20 PM
I like my M1A; but I havent shot a whole lot of other .308's. I didnt care for my brothers FAL tho.

Foxtrot427
April 3, 2006, 04:37 PM
FAL!

davek
April 3, 2006, 04:40 PM
PTR-91 hands down...no other .308 battle rifle even comes close.

This is based on the conclusive, incontrivertable fact that it's the one that I own.

Seriously, the manual of arms isn't the most intuative in the world, and the lack of BHO is a PITA, but the reliability of the PTR-91 approaches that of the AK, but is way more accurate IMHO.

tangodown
April 3, 2006, 05:28 PM
I dont have one but I really like my buddy's g3 clone. My m1a socom is awful heavy but it goes bang, and it feels right. Those .308 ishapore rifles that have been cut down and are sold as tanker carbines arent bad either. Come to think about it I havent really fired a .308 that I really didnt like, or a rifle for that matter. Go try a few different things, see what you like best. You really cant go wrong with a good .308 mbr.

TX35
April 3, 2006, 05:36 PM
FALFALFALFALFALFALFALFALFALFAL:)

Deer Hunter
April 3, 2006, 05:52 PM
For my taste, I'd have to say a FAL. For you? Whatever the hell you want.

cz75bdneos22
April 3, 2006, 06:34 PM
FAL

colt.45
April 3, 2006, 07:33 PM
my prefrence would be an m-1a but the magazines and the gun it'sself is kind of expensive. the fal has simular accuracy and reliability, and the mags are much cheaper and easier to find so il go with the fal:)

trbon8r
April 3, 2006, 08:01 PM
I'm not planning on the excrement hitting the oscillator anytime soon. I'm just a fat over the hill guy that buys and shoots what I like. That is the M14 type rifle (read M1A in civilian form). If I did need it to defend myself it would do an outstanding job without a doubt.

The advantages of the M14 platform are significant:

Better sights than FAL or HK

Better factory trigger assembly that can be made even better by spending 50 bucks with a competent smith.

no overly complicated adjustable gas system like the FAL. The gas system on the M14 works just fine without adjustments.

doesn't balance and handle like a cinderblock as the HK does.

last shot bolt hold open on the M14, (not available on HK, but the FAL does have it)

M14 reliability is comparable with the HK, but I think I'd give the M14 the nod over the FAL.

USGI fiberglass M14 stocks are available for cheap and eliminates the one significant weakness in the M14 system which is bedding of the action.

Come to think of it, the only advantage I can think of for the FAL is that you can scrounge up parts, stockpile magazines and build one cheaper. At the end of the day, I think price and availability is why the FAL has so many advocates.

mtang45
April 3, 2006, 10:18 PM
There is a reason the FAL became standard military rifle for 93 countrys around the world. I'm not knocking M1A's or HK-91's but seriously the rifle that earned the reputation of being the "Free World's Right Arm" how can you not say the FAL deserves MBR top honors.

Lancer
April 3, 2006, 10:40 PM
http://www.accuratereloading.com/308adl.jpg

It goes bang every time.

trodery
April 3, 2006, 10:45 PM
FALFALFALFALFALFALFALFALFALFAL

YEAH...What TX35 said!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/trodery/DSCN3316.jpg

trbon8r
April 4, 2006, 12:41 AM
"There is a reason the FAL became standard military rifle for 93 countrys around the world. I'm not knocking M1A's or HK-91's but seriously the rifle that earned the reputation of being the "Free World's Right Arm" how can you not say the FAL deserves MBR top honors."

Oh no. Not this argument again. :uhoh:

One more time for the cheap seats. The M14 was designed and manufactured through the U.S. armory system (read federally funded). It's construction and production was designed solely to fill U.S. needs. It was never intended to be sold overseas in quantity. The FAL which was designed and built by a private company for profit and sale abroad is a totally different animal.

mtang45
April 4, 2006, 01:04 AM
Oh no. Not this argument again.

One more time for the cheap seats. The M14 was designed and manufactured through the U.S. armory system (read federally funded). It's construction and production was designed solely to fill U.S. needs. It was never intended to be sold overseas in quantity. The FAL which was designed and built by a private company for profit and sale abroad is a totally different animal.

So lets see if I have this right....Your saying the M14 is superior to the FAL but never had the opportunity to "show its stuff" because the US wanted to keep our little piece of excellence all to ourselves? Whereas the rest of the world since they could not get their hands on an M14 had to settle for an AK, HK or FAL? Poor suckers, just HOW did they survive?

You know it sure seems to me that the M14 sure had a SHORT life for being such a superior weapon. :neener:

mustanger98
April 4, 2006, 01:20 AM
Hey Lancer, What make and model is your's? It looks nice.

trbon8r
April 4, 2006, 01:32 AM
Mtang45

Obviously you either didn't read what I said, or more likely you are incapable of understanding.

The FAL while being a good rifle was marketed by a sales force around the world by a private company looking to make a profit.

On the other hand the U.S. armory system which was only in the business of supplying the U.S. military, couldn't care less if the M14 could be marketed for a profit or not. That was my point. Anything else you want to infer from that is strictly speculation on your part.

For the record, I own a FAL. While a good weapon, it's not nearly as good a tool as the M14. Of course my opinion is the same as yours, in that it's just an opinion and is worth exactly what you paid for it.

PATH
April 4, 2006, 03:39 AM
M14 and then the FAL. I like them both.

Fire4Effect
April 4, 2006, 03:54 AM
well my opinion is it depends on what kind of SHTF situation you think you are gonna find yourself in, but my choice on the .308 gun is, and I can hear all the moans and laughs now.... Saiga AK-.308

rangerruck
April 4, 2006, 03:57 AM
i'll go Saiga, with the 16 in bbl.

Lancer
April 4, 2006, 04:11 AM
mustanger98, that's just a pic off the web while I was at work. But mine is a Winchester M70 in .30-06:evil:

azflyman
April 4, 2006, 05:03 AM
VEPR in .308 I think would be my choice or a FAL. Otherwise I would just stick with my Les Baer AR-15. If someone hit me with either a .308 or a .223 at 500 yards I think I would be out of action.:uhoh:

az

mtang45
April 4, 2006, 08:10 AM
Mtang45

Obviously you either didn't read what I said, or more likely you are incapable of understanding.

The FAL while being a good rifle was marketed by a sales force around the world by a private company looking to make a profit.

On the other hand the U.S. armory system which was only in the business of supplying the U.S. military, couldn't care less if the M14 could be marketed for a profit or not. That was my point. Anything else you want to infer from that is strictly speculation on your part.

For the record, I own a FAL. While a good weapon, it's not nearly as good a tool as the M14. Of course my opinion is the same as yours, in that it's just an opinion and is worth exactly what you paid for it

trbon8r,
Your first sentence is half right. Although capable of understanding most intelligent beings you on the other hand present other challenges.

I fail to completely understand your argument that because the M14 was not "marketed" it failed to be as wide spread in use and acceptance as the FN-FAL. I would think that the primary reason the M14 was never universally accepted by a vast array of other countries (ie FAL) is because it was only manufactured for 5 years (1959-1964). While reliable, it had obvious shortcomings that forced the US military to adopt the M16 during the Vietnam war. The M14 still serves in specialized roles but its use is very very limited.

The M16 has been the standard since Vietnam AND you also see its design duplicated by many companys AND the M16 has become the standard small arms rifle for many many countries. This wide spread use and longevity of service life indicates the M16, like the FN-FAL, is a successful weapon in design and function. :)

Mad Bodhi
April 4, 2006, 07:17 PM
The Fal is not and never has been the equal of the M14.The M14 boasts superior reliability and accuracy.A self adjusting gas system that automatically compensates for a wider range of loadings than the manually adjusted Fal. The M14 has far fewer parts which adds to the reliability factor.It's lighter than the Fal.The M14 is functionally ambidextorous.The m14 was not replaced because of any shortcoming, the M16 was McNamara's doing,pure and simple.Units under USSOCOM are given greater lattitude in choosing their weapon still regularly choose the M14. The SEAL's have favored it for some time and it was employed by them during Desert Storm and C.M.H. recipient and Delta sniper Randy Shughart carried an M21/ M14 variant in Mogadishu.

longhorngunman
April 5, 2006, 12:27 AM
And there you have it, case closed. Besides cleaning from the muzzle end is the preferred way anyways.;)

aaronrkelly
April 5, 2006, 03:27 AM
My favorite .308 is my CETME.....its a good time to shoot. Mine has been very reliable.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/aaronrkelly/All%20Guns/Image00011.jpg

LAK
April 5, 2006, 07:20 AM
IMO any reliable and acceptably accurate bolt-action with a 2.5X to 4X scope. Although I would expand the chambering choice to include anything from the 6mm's on up through the 8mm/.35 class.

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Don't Tread On Me
April 5, 2006, 08:13 AM
Everybody knows that .308 isn't the ideal SHTF cartridge!!! :what:

.223 or 7.62x39mm will do 95% of what the .308 will do in a SHTF scenario, while weighing less and allowing more to be carried. :evil:


I think the best SHTF .308 is the Saiga 16". It is thin. It is LIGHT. And handy. It is an autoloader of 10 rounds, which isn't bad for a .308. Sure beats a single shot or bolt action. Has the proven AK action which is much simpler and more robust than either the M1A or FAL. Chrome lined chamber and bore. It costs a whopping $350 new. Which saves money for more ammo or other essentials. You could outfit it with tritium sights, preferably have a gunsmith mount some sort of rear-peep. Then you're in business and still come in cheaper than the other candidates.

High Planes Drifter
April 5, 2006, 10:49 AM
NICE Socom Mugs !

whats that optic you have mounted on the front?

wgungho
April 9, 2006, 06:16 PM
The question would seem to boil down to personal experience and preference. The M14/FAL question is in the same boat. I'd lean toward the M-14, myself. Reasons? I carried one for a year and a half. It never failed to function, not once. When I hit a target, the target was out of the fight, period. It was bigger and heavier than the original M16, and the ammo was heavier, too. I still liked the M14.
The M16 we were issued was the original-no chrome bolt, chamber, etc. It was a piece of @%#*, period. Too many marines died trying to clear a jammed or non-functioning weapon before the problems with the weapon and ammo were fixed.
My M14 performed the way it was intended, from 5 feet to 700 yards. Consider that personl testimonial. From the coastal sand in the Northern I Corps to the mountains around Khe Sahn during the monsoon, it NEVER quit. As a recon team member, you frequently used your weapon, and you rarely had a chance to clean your weapon while in the bush. So you needed something you could depend on, no questions.
If you get a chance, talk to some of the SoCom guys coming out of Afganistan. They're sucking up every M14 they can get their hands on. There's a reason for that!

Just my two cents!

Rampant_Colt
April 9, 2006, 06:41 PM
PTR-91 baby! (or G3 if you will)
http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/1952/trooperop0406ay.jpg

mordechaianiliewicz
April 9, 2006, 07:12 PM
I think either the CETME (if you get a good one) or an FAL (DSA of course being the best)

Line Rider
April 9, 2006, 09:53 PM
What is the best SHTF rifle, gun etc... the one that you can afford and that function every time, period.

I have a DSA StG 58 w/ bipod. It was about $ 950.00. I bought magazines for it from $5.00- $10.00 each. I bought 2 case of NIB Steyr magazines from TAPCO. I also found TAPCO had a kit w/ all the replacement springs in it at a good price. I have had my Stg 58 for about 3 yrs and had zero problems. I've got about $1500 in the gun, parts and 50 magazines.

I would love to have an HK 91 but, $2500 to $3200 LNIB. WOW! I just can't afford that. And parts are high if you can find them. But magazines have come down, thou.

I would rather put the $1000 to $1500 difference into ammo and training.

50 Freak
April 10, 2006, 06:37 AM
One more time for the cheap seats. The M14 was designed and manufactured through the U.S. armory system (read federally funded). It's construction and production was designed solely to fill U.S. needs. It was never intended to be sold overseas in quantity. The FAL which was designed and built by a private company for profit and sale abroad is a totally different animal.

Just like the M1 Garand, the M1 Carbine and the M-16....oh wait, they are all over the world serving in many different armies/security forces (still to this day). Wonder why the M-14 isn't?????

Actually I'll stop stirring the pot. I have both a FAL and a M14 and my preference is my FAL para. Lightweight at 7.5 pounds, reliable and headshots at 200 yards are a breeze.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v309/JustaBlokeAnywhere/FAL008.jpg

Also don't forget a good knife

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v309/JustaBlokeAnywhere/Bahadur.jpg

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