CNN poll-Should civilians help patrol the border?


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Guy B. Meredith
April 2, 2006, 11:52 PM
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cavman
April 2, 2006, 11:57 PM
Wow.

Its like a Bush election.

14 votes separate the two opinions out of 83,000

Lone_Gunman
April 3, 2006, 01:19 AM
It is also interesting that since this is a CNN poll, it is probably attracting more soft-on-crime, pro-illegal alien liberals than if this was a Fox poll... So the 50/50 split probably is really an underestimate of the number of people who think civilians ought to play a role in patrolling the border.

longeyes
April 3, 2006, 01:24 AM
Border? Who's going to patrol Hollywood & Western?:D

Jammer Six
April 3, 2006, 01:31 AM
I urge all of you who are against illegal immigration to report immediately to Arizona, and start patrolling the desert.

Lone_Gunman
April 3, 2006, 01:34 AM
I urge all of you who are against illegal immigration to report immediately to Arizona, and start patrolling the desert.


Why? We pay government employess to do that. We just need to make them do their jobs. I am in favor of citizens doing that if they want to, but we are already paying for the service, just getting nothing in return.

longeyes
April 3, 2006, 01:37 AM
I urge all of you who are against illegal immigration to report immediately to Arizona, and start patrolling the desert.

Employers of illegal aliens seem to believe they are going to be immune from the trouble ahead. Not likely.

beerslurpy
April 3, 2006, 01:59 AM
I urge all of you who are against illegal immigration to report immediately to Arizona, and start patrolling the desert.

When citizens are alarmed enough to set aside their lives for a while to hold a gun and stand a watch, whom do you imagine they will come for after the illegals have been dealt with?

Some might even take the novel stance that the people that invited the illegals here in the first place are the real problem and give them a tree-ride. They might reason that people like yourself are the ones deserving of sanction, since they only hired the illegals to avoid paying americans a decent wage. Kill all the plantation owners and who will need slaves?

Manedwolf
April 3, 2006, 02:25 AM
It is also interesting that since this is a CNN poll, it is probably attracting more soft-on-crime, pro-illegal alien liberals than if this was a Fox poll... So the 50/50 split probably is really an underestimate of the number of people who think civilians ought to play a role in patrolling the border.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Media corporations are not liberal. Media corporations are not conservative. Media corporations are focused on getting the maximum advertiser dollars for the target demographics they aim their infotainment news for.

If you want a commercial with ads meant for your percieved demographic, watch any of the companies' manufactured predigested slanted-to-whatever-gets-ratings "news".

If you want NEWS...get it from reliable, fact-checked and cited sources online...and not just one, compare the same stories among all the different international sources, and come up with an average on your own of what the facts really likely are.

The days of the now near-mythical "newsmen" who reported facts, searched for answers, caught BS in responses to their questions and called the questionee on it, and could hold a conversation without a teleprompter...are long past.

mcg-doc
April 3, 2006, 08:44 AM
Can someone post the link to this poll?

Lone_Gunman
April 3, 2006, 08:57 AM
Media corporations are not liberal. Media corporations are not conservative. Media corporations are focused on getting the maximum advertiser dollars for the target demographics they aim their infotainment news for.


So you say there is no bias in news reporting?

Clean97GTI
April 3, 2006, 09:34 AM
The video attached to the poll was a little frustrating.

While I respect everyones right to protest something you are against, this is almost insane. The woman who came here legally went on national TV and admitted to paying an "undocumented worker." The video went on to further amaze me when she said that they aren't here to steal jobs.
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
By hiring illegal immigrants (dare I call them invaders) you are doing exactly that. You are taking a job from an American citizen who pays taxes and expects a fair wage. Illegal workers are a real detriment to value.
Its nice that they want to work hard, but to simply skate around a law you don't like is not the way to do it.

I would love to call INS and have them do a raid on one of those rallys.
Pardon me, I need to call my reps and suggest hurrying up with that wall they want to build. :fire:

and why didn't it surprise me to read about the ACLU voicing concern over "the potential for taking actions and ... attempting to enforce immigration laws." I love the idea that the ACLU claims to stand behind, but their record on many such things shows a very different side.

TexasRifleman
April 3, 2006, 10:11 AM
I am already busy patrolling Ft Worth, we lost the border a long time ago...:banghead:

geekWithA.45
April 3, 2006, 10:33 AM
Interesting.

It wound up being 50/50.

http://www.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/results/24127.exclude.html


A couple of point:

1)

Whether news orgs are "liberal" or "conservative" has no bearing on the results of a poll, because the poll numbers are driven by the readership.

CNN poll results have consistently championed the neoliberal position, and are often the mirror image of similiar polls over at Fox.

I always find it very indicative of bipartisan support for a measure if polls at CNN draw even on a rightist issue.

2)

As a former insider of the BigTime web business, who has had professional contacts with the big sites, I can authoritatively say that poll results can be, and are manipulated when it suits the sensibilities of management. This is achieved in a number of ways, some of them quite subtle.


3)

The MSM press IS demonstrably biased:

http://www.polisci.ucla.edu/faculty/groseclose/Media.Bias.8.htm

The issue of motivation/how this comes about is a curious one. the neoliberals point to the ownership structure as evidence of right bias, ignoring the actual content of the media's work product, which is clearly left biased.

Clearly, the ownership structure is either NOT right leaning, OR turns a blind eye for the sake of business.

3 weelin geezer
April 3, 2006, 10:37 AM
How many of you have EVER seen a mexican border patrol agent on the other side of the rio grande (if it runs between you and mex.)? I dont think I have. Just those fat lazy excuses for 'police' or I dunno what sitting at the toll gate collecting your pesos. Sometimes not even that. Just some guy flipping the change into the till. I say if someone gets caught using illegals to make money by not paying them and cheating every one else by charging the end product like if it was made legally .

So, give them 3X the boss's pay EACH for a year. Yeah, they do jobs Americans wont do because its too much work /too little pay (key word) so make it worthwile to hire someone who isn't illegal. Just that simple. Quit trying to cheat the system

Derby FALs
April 3, 2006, 10:47 AM
urge all of you who are against illegal immigration to report immediately to Arizona, and start patrolling the desert.

I don't need to leave home to round up illegals...

Jammer Six
April 3, 2006, 11:04 AM
I don't need to leave home to round up illegals...
Well, you should get out there, and get on it, then. By all means. :cool:

Derby FALs
April 3, 2006, 11:15 AM
I have six in a holding cell out in the barn. Waiting for INS to pick them up. Send money for food.

TexasRifleman
April 3, 2006, 11:17 AM
All I have to do is be in front of the RaceTrak gas station in south Arlington, TX every morning at 6.

I could fill a truck. I have called immigration any number of times and I always get sent to some voice mail.... lots of hard work going on there at BP :rolleyes:

GTSteve03
April 3, 2006, 11:29 AM
How 'bout we all just head over to Jammer Six's place. I'm sure we could find quite a few illegals there.

:evil:

Guy B. Meredith
April 3, 2006, 12:23 PM
The local BART stations are becoming the place the INS should visit.

As I've mentioned before, my wife is a legal immigrant from Australia. She had to go through hoops to demonstrate she had legitimate business in the US and wouldn't be a tax burden. It really toasts us when the Latinos think the hoops are only for non Sudamericanos.

On the other hand, I thought that dissolving the previous version of a guest worker program, the Bracero program, was a BIG mistake. Just goes to show that if you take care to live long enough, nothing other than technology is new.

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