I think we can all laugh at this elitist anti-hunter...


April 3, 2006, 02:02 AM

Don't Kill The Majestic Wild Turkey
posted April 2, 2006

Tennessee’s turkey hunting season is upon us and sadly these majestic birds will once again be killed by those who enjoy making harmless animals suffer and die.

Before the Bald Eagle became known as the symbol of America, the great statesman and revolutionary Benjamin Franklin put his support behind honoring the turkey as the young country’s national bird. Franklin's choice would have been a good one, as the North American wild turkey was here to greet the Pilgrims as they landed on Plymouth Rock in 1620.

But the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency (TWRA) has declared war on these birds. Turkeys are not overpopulated in Tennessee; in fact, the TWRA has stocked them in certain counties for no other purpose than to provide hunters with living targets to kill. The birds cause no damage and are not implicated in significant amounts of car accidents. Hunting stocked birds serves absolutely no conservation purpose.

The TWRA is in the business to sell hunting permits, and they will manipulate hunted animal populations by breeding them, tweaking season lengths and bag limits, and killing off their natural predators. The TWRA collects the fees generated by the sale of hunting permits, as well as excise taxes on firearms and ammunition, because the agency needs to raise millions of dollars in revenue just to cover the salaries of its employees. The firearms industry also benefits by the spread of violence against wildlife and the duo of the firearms industry and the TWRA is a foe that the state’s wildlife cannot live with.

The Committee to Abolish Sport Hunting proposes wildlife watching programs to draw the public closer to wildlife and provide an economy that can far outpace the one which is currently based on firearms and violence. For information on how you can protect wildlife, please see our website at http://www.all-creatures.org/cash.

Joe Miele, Vice President
The Committee to Abolish Sport Hunting
Box 562
New Paltz, NY 12561

It probably doesn't surprise anyone anymore. Some guy, FROM NEW YORK, writes to us stupid Tennesseans about how barbarous we are, for going out and hunting turkeys. Of course, we do it only becuase we all truly want to make these critters suffer and die.

I especially love his logic, because of all the violence involved, firearms industry benfits, just for one example.

The guy must be so elitist he likes the smell of his own farts to write us a letter from New Paltz, NY, to Chattanooga, TN, telling us all about how things work.

If anyone wants to throw a letter in, news@chattanoogan.com

I am going to laugh at this guy for a day or so, then toss my own in. As a non-hunter it will still be fun to poke at this yankee.

Before I do that, I have a question for any tax lawyers out there.

C.A.S.H. is a committee of Wildlife Watch, Inc.
a 501(c)3 Not-for-Profit Corporation.
Contributions are tax-deductible.

From: http://www.all-creatures.org/cash/activist-center.html

Can a non-profit tax-deductible group legally lobby like this?

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April 3, 2006, 02:04 AM
Do most people who hunt turkeys usually eat them? I dont see any problem with that.

I'm not necessarily a fan of just shooting animals for sport. I'm an elitist Yankee Californian though :)

April 3, 2006, 02:10 AM
edited because:


Your heads.

fal 4 me
April 3, 2006, 02:23 AM

Could you please clarify your last statement. I hope I misunderstood what you wrote, but as it stands now that is one of the worst comments I've read on any board.

April 3, 2006, 02:24 AM

It was a joke. Not too HRish, but I admit, I liked it all the same. (Though I hope a good thread isn't locked over it. I really would like an answer to the original question.)

April 3, 2006, 09:17 AM
If I'm not mistaken, it was hunters who saved the wild turkey from extinction.

April 3, 2006, 09:42 AM
Ben Franklin was a great admirer of the wild turkey. He even proposed that the national symbol of the fledgling United States be the turkey.

That didn't stop him from chomping down on a leg every now and then. If it's good enough for Ben to hunt/eat then it's good enough for me.

Once again the leftist commies are against the beliefs of the founding fathers. Is it too late to give NY back to the British? The NY delegates abstained from the vote and never wanted to sign the Declaration of Independence at the continental congress of 1776 anyway. I think they would happier under the crown. They are certainly closer to France than they are Tennessee.

Prof. A. Wickwire
April 3, 2006, 10:13 AM

Now, now. Not all New York State residents are anti-hunting and/or anti-gun. Painting us all with the same brush is not accurate.

No offense intended or taken.


Prof. A. Wickwire

April 3, 2006, 10:14 AM
So what, does this guy not eat turkey on thanksgiving? Doesn't that make you some kind of facist pinko or something if you don't? I haven't checked in a while.

The Drew
April 3, 2006, 10:39 AM
mmmmm.... Turkey...

April 3, 2006, 10:51 AM
Doesn't that make you some kind of facist pinko or something if you don't?

No but it makes you a fascist pinko if you don't eat turkey and no one else should either because you say so.

April 3, 2006, 11:04 AM
Some guy, FROM NEW YORK,

Speaking as a turkey hunter, FROM NEW YORK...These kinds of statements are as idiotic as the anti-hunter's.

Look at a map friend...it's a big state. Full of people. Lots of different kinds of people. And even though I'm from 350 miles away from NYC, I know many good hunters who live IN that city, believe it or not.


April 3, 2006, 11:08 AM
The guy has probably never seen a live turkey that wasn't on video.

Another elitest who thinks he is so much smarter than all us "redneck gun toters" that he needs to have his will forced on us "for our own good".

Gotta love all these big city smart people who want to protect us by taking all our rights away. :barf:

I got 6 turkeys that tromp through my yard every morning at 4 am(sometimes earlier) and used to wake me up. I've learned to sleep through all their noise. Oh I mean the birds, not the big city turkeys.

April 3, 2006, 11:26 AM
Not all New York State residents are anti-hunting and/or anti-gun. Painting us all with the same brush is not accurate.

Wonder why he's picking on Tenneseeans...We Have our own Turkey season (actuatlly spring and fall) right here in NY and the DEC has spent the last several years trying to build the populations in some areas. When I was growing up, we NEVER saw a wild turkey in this area...Now they come right up into my back yard!

April 3, 2006, 11:36 AM
The Committee to Abolish Sport Hunting proposes wildlife watching programs to draw the public closer to wildlife and provide an economy that can far outpace the one which is currently based on firearms and violence.

I am surprised no one commented on this bit of BS. As if bird watching or animal watching can surplant or replace the economic impact hunting has. In Wisconsin no one talks about the 100s of thousands of people heading out into the woods to look at animals. They are talking about all the hunters going out. Each one of those hunters spends a lot of money to hunt. From fees, monies spent on clothing, ammo, firearms, food, gas and many more items. To say that the economic activity that could be generated by looking at animals could outpace that spending is just ignorant.

April 3, 2006, 11:37 AM
Notice the use of "eccentric" adjectives. I tend to shy away from any kind of news story that overly dramaticizes things that really dont warrant such a descriptive word for it.

Its just like Propoganda. (Communist Propoganda comes to mind with this)Like "The Valiant forces of the PLF utterly obliterated a U.S. Army Battalion".

I hope you guys get what im trying to say. Im not very clear with conveying my complex thoughts on a computer.

I think hes just jealous of our new waterfront development. Good to see another Chattanoogan on here(or if youre from a surrounding area).

Guy B. Meredith
April 3, 2006, 11:47 AM
Yeah, Mr. NY should move to the suburbs. I had heard tales of the wiley, challenging wild turkey when younger and itched for a chance to see this mystical creature in it's natural habitat.

Well, I now live in suburbia outside Oakland, CA and the wiley creatures like wild turkeys and California quail swarm all over the local medical center parking lot, the turkeys stroll down a couple of miles to our yard a dozen at a time and totally ignore us.

Then if you're into Canadian geese or Mallards a visit to the local PacBel/ATT/SBC whatever-it-is-this-week parking lot will find swarms of those critters in total control of the pavement. We fight to keep Mallards out of the local swimming pool.

Dern those hunters and conservationists that saved the threatened wild creatures!!! :fire:

If Mr. NY were here he would be begging for a hunting season.

April 3, 2006, 12:04 PM
I wonder if the idiot is aware that, were it not for NWTF and hunting-related turkey restoration efforts, many parts of the country would not have ANY of the birds.

My county, for example, now has thousands, where ten years ago, there were none.

This guy might be a vegan, of course, but he doesn't say that because he knows that 99% of Tennessee residents, including the seven who don't hunt, wouldn't even read any further. Of course, his being from New York probably caused at least 50% of heartland readers to quit right there regardless.

But if he's not and he does eat meat, can he perhaps explain why it's wrong to shoot a wild turkey, but it's right to raise turkeys in a confined space in the dark, wallowing in their own ****, until one day they are killed in a machine?

As someone who happily watches wildlife but also hunts it (which of course often involves WATCHING it fly away as I stare down the rib of my shotgun wondering where the shot went) I can say that my hunting activities have generated several orders of magnitude more money for conservation than my watching ever has. Furthermore, my shooting at crows in front of my city condo with an Airsoft pistol has been doing a lot to save our local population of songbirds.

Conservation requires rational thought, not pseudo-religious emotion.

April 3, 2006, 02:57 PM
birddog, the point was that he is in New York, but talking down to us Tennesseans as if we were uncivilized barbarians. Imagine if I came up there, and started telling you how to run your schools.

April 3, 2006, 03:06 PM
Guy B. Meredith-

Did you know that California F&G law allows turkey hunting with air rifles? Must be .20 caliber or larger.

You could probably get away with shooting a turkey in your yard! I'd do it. Good eatin'!

April 3, 2006, 03:20 PM
birddog, the point was that he is in New York, but talking down to us Tennesseans as if we were uncivilized barbarians.

My point is that you are in Tennesee, making assumptions about "New Yorkers" as a group. See....It is not a wise path to take, no matter which direction you're walking. If I had a buck for everytime someone dissed New Yorker's...I would have a lot bigger bank account. Your point -- and my point -- is that painting with a broad brush is rarely a good way to go through life. No offense intended, and only a little taken. Have a good day.

April 3, 2006, 03:32 PM
birddog, read this post very carefully.

It was the fact that some guy 2500 miles away wrote this. Had he been from Maine I would have had the same response.

Now, back to the main point. Does anyone know if his organization could loose either its non-profit status, or the ability to be a 'contrabutions are tax-deductible' over this?

April 3, 2006, 04:32 PM
Kid, I read the post carefully before I posted. I get it. What riles New Yorkers and Southerners alike is the idea that the group they belong to is one monolithic society of people with narrow points of view.

I love Maine, by the way. The locals (except for the friend I hunt and fish with) constantly ask me how things are in "the big city". :rolleyes: Killed all my bears there, and love the place. It's probably more responsible for being sensitive about slams against New York than any other state. Those damned Mainers!!! Kidding, kidding.

I'm all for getting back to your original topic.

Can a non-profit tax-deductible group legally lobby like this?

Heck, yes.

April 3, 2006, 05:26 PM
stand by the color of their politicians. For you PC guys, I am talking about red/blue. You gotta wonder about folks from Tenn......after all, Al Gore is from there................:D chris3

April 3, 2006, 06:51 PM
That guy should visit here. I have turkeys that come through my back yard daily. In fact during the winter I put out a little cracked corn for them every day. But just lately they have been accused of attacking people. (I'm serious!) Apparently they have lost their fear of people to the point that the toms will go after them. (I've had a big domestic tom walk up to me and make noises so that I understood who was boss.)

April 3, 2006, 07:08 PM
Hey somekid you probably couldn't tell them about running their schools. But if you showed up teaching them manners they would be deeply offended.

April 3, 2006, 07:23 PM
If you've ever had a turkey leave his footprints on the windscreen of your motorcycle at highway speeds you'd be saying the same things as me... Kill more, kill lots more!

April 3, 2006, 07:46 PM
Well, New Paltz is an enclave of whacky-dacky people. The mayor is a Green. No kidding. The school there, SUNY New Paltz, is banana wacky left as well. Hunting turkeys though happens all over Ulser County where you'll find good ol' New Paltz. I am much closer to NYC and I cann attest to the fact that turkey hunting is practiced by a great many more than folks on this board might suspect.

There used to be a great gun store just outside the town. The owner passed and it has since closed. New Paltz is surrounded by a community that hunts.
Turkey makes for good eats. Please excuse Mr. Joe Miele as he is the exception rather than the rule.

April 3, 2006, 07:54 PM
Kod, you have no idea how tempted I am to write a letter to a paper in that little green yankee town, and have my fun. If I do, I will definatly make a point to comment on their yankee manners, which I as a southern gentleman find quite lacking. :evil: Nothing like starting another civil war.

Ryder, LOL.

April 3, 2006, 08:06 PM
Yeah turkeys are neat looking from a distance. But I wonder if this guy or others like him have ever really looked at wild and domestic animals other than their pampered pets. I wonder if he really knows the things he will see up close. Like all the ticks lined up sucking blood just where the wing attatches to the bird. Not to mention what a deer, cow, goat, sheep have all over them living in nature and all. They are not so cute and cuddly when you really get to know them. And all the Canadian Goose poop that pollutes all the swinning holes at all our state parks here in AR. They get shut down every year because of the bacteria from those geese that they let be protected residents at the parks. Nasty things and noisey. But they all taste good.

April 3, 2006, 08:18 PM
This is so off topic it is off the reservation.

I just went North to visit family. In the plane going north I was the only person who ever thanked the stewardess for anything. At the airport people practically walked over me without so much as an "excuse me" or a "sorry". Finally it turns out I needed to wear a jacket to my uncle's birthday so I go to a store (Burlington something or another). I find a salesman and say "Excuse me sir I need some help finding a jacket, shirt, and tie", this exceptionally rude SOB responds with "There is no helping you" (this is some kind of rude Yankee joke).

I then explain to this gentleman that I am not from around there. I am from the South and in the South when someone walks up to a salesman and says they want to buy something noone says "There is no helping you". I may have mentioned something about understanding that I am in the land of the barbarians, but I didn't expect to be treated like one. Anyway after his face was finished turning red he helped find a nice jacket shirt and tie.

But then Yankee rudeness is known as far and wide as Southern hospitality.

Oh Some Kid if you write a Yankee paper about Yankees sticking their noses where it doesn't stink I think you will be starting an Uncivil War.

April 3, 2006, 10:01 PM
As a native newyorkian (my family dates back to before there was a USA)

Please "run our schools"

I am positive you can do better then the cretins that do it now.

I don't live in NY any longer, I carry my side arms everywhere, carry an AR15 in my truck when I feel like it.

if you live in NY please direct your anger at pataki and bloomburg...

My brother and I just had an argument about how much NY sucks, he's a cop there and they have a detail that will do exactly the speed limit in the fast lane then bust people for being pissed off about it.:banghead:

I told him they should be busting people who drive like that:fire:

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