Hell's Angel Shooting


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DunedinDragon
April 3, 2006, 11:26 AM
This can't be!!!!! In a state that earned an A- from the Brady Bunch for their gun control legislation???!!!!! Must be an error in reporting....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12128619/

Updated: 5:22 a.m. ET April 3, 2006
WEST HAVEN, Conn. - A motorist opened fire on a group of Hell’s Angels motorcyclists along Interstate 95 on Sunday, killing one and injuring another, police said.

The bikers were traveling near West Haven around 3:30 p.m. when they were shot, said State Police spokesman Sgt. J. Paul Vance.

Police were considering a number of possible motives including road rage, and were searching for a sport utility vehicle with Florida license plates, Vance said.

Roger Mariani, 61, of Stratford, pulled over before realizing he had been shot in the upper torso, Vance said. He later died at the Yale-New Haven Hospital.

Paul Carrol, 37, of Bridgeport, who was grazed by a bullet, was treated at the hospital and released, Vance said.

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Biker
April 3, 2006, 11:43 AM
Strange...It'll be interesting to learn more as details emerge. Personally, I believe that a SUV would be a more effective weapon than a gun against motorcycles on a freeway.
Biker

Tokugawa
April 3, 2006, 11:59 AM
No kiddin', Biker! And thier dosen't even need to be homicidal intent. This could be a new poll- would you rather be shot at or run over by a cell phone talkin' fool.......

MCgunner
April 3, 2006, 12:08 PM
Rival gang, no doubt. I've been reading that the HAs are trying to move in to Texas and the Banditos are threating war. There was a shooting of a HA "organizer" in Austin the other day.

Don't bother me, got little use for colors. I don't lookin' for trouble with bike gangs and that's about the only way you can get 'em after you, if you go lookin' for trouble. They don't jack with ordinary citizens.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why various LE organizations can't take these guys down, though. I mean, they're heavy into drugs and whatever illegal they can make money on. They've taken down the mafia and they're not as easy to spot. These guys carry a sign on their back identifying them to law enforcement. LOL!

Master Blaster
April 3, 2006, 12:14 PM
Pagans = 4 guys in an SUV who shoot at hells angels on the road.

Biker
April 3, 2006, 12:17 PM
Things are lookin' rough for the HAs. Between them, the Mongols and Banditos, it's gonna get noisy.
Nowadays, the only patch I wear is an eagle on my back with a big DILLIGAF patch beneath it.
Life is good.
Biker

Erebus
April 3, 2006, 12:19 PM
Yea but this was in Connecticut not Texas. My guess is it's road rage or just some freak that has a beef with bikers.

I guess I would rather be shot. Shooting requires intent and likely a reason which I probably provided, even if it's a bad or stupid reason. But getting off'd by some oblivion SUV driving, cellphone talker is just embarrasing.

dmallind
April 3, 2006, 12:50 PM
Well maybe if CT put up 100% stop and search stations on roads leading into their state they'd prevent out of staters bringing guns in from more lax regimes; then this senseless slaughter would have been stopped and, more importantly, they'd get a straight A from Brady!

Seriously I doubt a Ford Explorer with Florida plates is a sign of a SW biker gang war, probably just some pissed off and perhaps mentally defective senior citizen who didn't want to be stuck in traffic with a bunch of bikers and got spooked. Some people have seen way too many old movies and get a bit hyperventilative when they see more than a couple of people on bikes at the same time. I don't even ride a Harley or wear colors (other than a penchant for bright yellow jackets and helmet for visibility :evil: ) and I see a lot of nervous faces when we go riding in groups, which in our case is even more strange because we're a bunch of dentists, engineers, and MBA types - hardly the Wild Ones!

DRZinn
April 3, 2006, 12:55 PM
??

Biker
April 3, 2006, 01:00 PM
Do I Look Like I Give A F***?
A lot of outriders wear it in these parts.
Biker

MCgunner
April 3, 2006, 01:12 PM
I have two main street bikes, not including my little 200cc DP bike. I have a SV650S, a little sportbike aka by some as a "crotch rocket", though it's no R1 or anything. It's just a fun, economical bike that looks sporty, goes well, and handles great since I set up the suspension a little. Still would like an Ohlin's shock on it to jack the rear up and make it turn in a little quicker. Then, I have an old Gold Wing. On the Wing, I don't get any attention from public or cops, just another aging old man on a GoldWing. :D Of course, I wear a full face helmet about everywhere. More evil stares and more law enforcement "attention" even though I'm not speeding or riding stupid on the SV! I got pulled over once 'cause the cop thought I "accelerated too quickly" from a light, didn't even pull the front off:rolleyes: , never exceeded the 45 mph speed limit. When I pulled the helmet and the grey hare fell out, I think the cop was a little taken aback. I think he was probably a Harley guy, cause when he let me go, he says "Take it easy on that "crotch rocket"". Clueless. I was probably road racing my TZ250 in AMA (1980/81) when this kid was in three cornered pants.:rolleyes:

I don't think ANYONE on a Harley around here gets the looks I get on that friggin' SV. It's all the stupid street stunters, not around here, but ride up to Houston sometime. I was turning the corner at 290 off Barker Cypress road NW Houston going up to a racer friends house once when this guy turns the corner on an Aprilia Tuono, kicks his foot back on the passenger rail, brings it up on the rear wheel, and proceeds to dodge through traffic, real impressive.:cuss: It's the stunter jerks that are giving the sport bike crowd the bad name now days, at least down here. There are so friggin' many Harleys down here they're quite socially acceptable. How ironic is THAT, eh? Even the COPS are Harley guys! Sport bikers are the outlaws now. :rolleyes:

Sometimes I kinda wish I'd gotten the standard SV rather than the sport version just because of the more socially acceptable looks. It's just as quick, just as economical, and handles just as well, but it doesn't have the "R1 look". If I actually thought a liter sport bike and 190 mph were necessary on the street, it'd be one thing. But the SV can double the speed limit, how fast you gotta go? And, it gets good mileage, is tons of fun to ride, and I liked the look of the sport model. It's not really a "crotch rocket", but it has the look and ordinary people don't know the difference.

dmallind
April 3, 2006, 01:35 PM
Yes I hear you there - the guys with all the bright colored plastic and the silly stunts are tainting the reputation of metric bikers. I'm a big fat middle aged guy on an FZ1, which is the upright slightly detuned version of the R1 MCG mentioned for those unfamiliar with it - not really a crotch rocket either and certainly not one of those "monkey humping a football" race-replica jobbies (BTW MCG I have Penskes rather than Ohlins, but in my case it's to handle my 280lb carcass without wallowing - metric bikes are set up for 140lb Japanese gymnasts not knuckle-dragging lardasses like me, and can certainly speak to the vast difference upgraded suspension makes regardless of weight - you have much more secure and coordinated behavior with better springs on both ends) with no go faster crap like "racing" pipes or lowered bars. Still I get a lot of attention, although I'm not too bothered by that really as long as it's not attention in the CT sense! I would rather have people stare at me with the dayglo yellow helmet and jacket and the high beams on during the day than have them not open their damn eyes and see me when they are turning across my lane! :fire:

One of Many
April 3, 2006, 02:50 PM
It May have been a case of road rage. I have been stuck behind large groups of bike riders for miles, that were going much less than the posted speed limit. The spacing between bikes was such that you would have to pass the entire column of bikes, and the road and opposing traffic did not permit that to happen.

When people are in a hurry, and others on the road deliberately slow them down, tempers flare; that may have been the case in this report.

Lobotomy Boy
April 3, 2006, 03:02 PM
Rival gang, no doubt. I've been reading that the HAs are trying to move in to Texas and the Banditos are threating war. There was a shooting of a HA "organizer" in Austin the other day.

Don't bother me, got little use for colors. I don't lookin' for trouble with bike gangs and that's about the only way you can get 'em after you, if you go lookin' for trouble. They don't jack with ordinary citizens.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why various LE organizations can't take these guys down, though. I mean, they're heavy into drugs and whatever illegal they can make money on. They've taken down the mafia and they're not as easy to spot. These guys carry a sign on their back identifying them to law enforcement. LOL!

This post is so full of BS that I don't know where to begin.

For starters, the Angels are a club, not a "gang." And what on earth makes you think this was a rival club? Never mind that this happened half a continent away from Texas, but I wouldn't be worried about a "war" between the HAs and the Banditos anytime soon. Whatever went down in Austin was most likely a personal disagreement between some club members that doesn't necessarily mean there will be some sort of fiery battle commencing.

As for why the law doesn't "take these guys down," it's most likely because the clubs themselves aren't "heavy into drugs and whatever illegal they can make money on." Plenty of club members do fit that bill, but plenty more don't. Some state chapters are worse than others this way, but even the most corrupt chapters have plenty of members who are law-abiding citizens. These people aren't arrested because they aren't breaking any laws. If the government starts arresting people simply because of who they choose to associate with, well then I think every one of us on this list will end up in Gitmo sooner rather than later.

Strings
April 3, 2006, 05:39 PM
I actualy sent this to some friends... I'm curious to see what comes of it (particularly the motive). Of course, there's a good chance the shooter just commited suicide...

For what it's worth, I suppose you could say I wear "colors": check the sig. But I've never had any problems with any of the locals MCs...

gunsmith
April 3, 2006, 10:51 PM
I was informed ANY PATCH that wasn't approved, would get you killed.

they seemed very serious to me.

Strings
April 3, 2006, 11:10 PM
well... it depends on the dominant club in the area, and what kind of patch you're talking about (and how you handle the situation)...

If you're talking about a commercially available patch, there shouldn't be a problem.

If you're talking about a patch for a group, but not an MC (one piece, doesn't say MC, MB, etc), and you approach the dominant club in the area respectfully, you shouldn't have a problem (BACA fits here)...

If you're talking about a patch that's a copy of an MC patch, in any way, you're probably going to have problems...

Honestly, MCs don't start in on the general public, unless someone starts something with them...

meef
April 4, 2006, 01:35 AM
MCgunner: When I pulled the helmet and the grey hare fell out, I think the cop was a little taken aback.
Good lord, can you blame him? :what:

Imagine stopping somebody who begins the conversation by doing a classic magic trick on you.

Albeit with a motorcycle helmet rather than a black top hat.

:D

beerslurpy
April 4, 2006, 03:30 AM
MC? I dont get what you guys are talking about? Why would people kill each other over a bike club membership?

Strings
April 4, 2006, 03:40 AM
why would people snort cocaine, or drink and drive, or irritate Tamara? Some people get worked up over odd things...

30-06 lover
April 4, 2006, 03:55 AM
Never mind

bratch
April 4, 2006, 04:02 AM
I read somewhere else that I95 (i think it was) is a major drug corridor. Maybe a bad drug dreal.

tellner
April 4, 2006, 04:10 AM
It sounds like someone just made a career move there. The Angels are many things. One of them is "businessmen". Another is "loyal to their own". Letting people get away with shooting their people messes with their business model and their loyalties. By all reports they have a very limited sense of humor about that sort of thing.

Fire4Effect
April 4, 2006, 04:39 AM
This is a topic that is best left alone...

>SHOCK<^>WAVE<
April 4, 2006, 04:43 AM
Live By The Sword... Die By The Sword :uhoh:

crazed_ss
April 4, 2006, 05:30 AM
MC? I dont get what you guys are talking about? Why would people kill each other over a bike club membership?

Why do people kill each other over blue and red bandanas?

280PLUS
April 4, 2006, 08:04 AM
No motive, suspect yet in I-95 slaying of Stratford biker
Phil Helsel, Register Staff
04/04/2006
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WEST HAVEN — State police are investigating whether the president of a Hells Angels chapter, a former federal inmate, was targeted when he was shot to death on Interstate 95 Sunday, but have yet to make the case "one gang against the other."


State police Sgt. J. Paul Vance confirmed investigators are considering whether Roger Mariani was targeted, but haven’t "zeroed in" on any suspects or a motive yet.

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Mariani, 61, of Cambridge Street, Stratford, died of a single gunshot wound to the back Sunday afternoon after he and another Hells Angel, Paul Carrol, were in a group riding their motorcycles south, near Exit 42. Carrol, who suffered only minor injuries, told emergency responders that two shots were fired from a green sport-utility vehicle containing four members of the rival motorcycle club the Outlaws.

But Vance said state police haven’t determined the Outlaws were involved or that the shots came from the green GMC, which may have carried Florida license plates. The SUV has not yet been located.

"We haven’t made this one gang against the other – it’s a homicide and that’s how we’re treating it," Vance said.

Mariani was one of 37 Hells Angels and associates from Connecticut arrested in the mid-1980s as part of a nationwide crackdown that brought 125 arrests and seizure of $2 million in drugs. He was released from prison in 1995, according to the U.S. Bureau of Prisons.

The shooting Sunday occurred as a "small group" of Angels returned to Connecticut from a motorcycle event in northern New England, Vance said, and many travelers on the busy artery saw the slaying. But police are still looking for more witnesses as they try to piece together exactly what happened and why.

"We’re looking for anyone who may have seen anything," Vance said. "We’re looking at this homicide from all angles."

Specialists in gang activity are reviewing the case.

Local police departments received an all-points bulletin Monday that warned officers to be on the lookout for "escalating violence" between Hells Angels and rival groups, the Mongols and the Pagans. It didn’t name the Outlaws. The bulletin urged police to use caution in dealing with members of any motorcycle club.

A half dozen apparent Hells Angels gathered beneath a small pavilion at Mariani’s home Monday afternoon, but one grizzled, leather-clad man would only tell a reporter, "We’ll see you later."

Hells Angels have chapters in Bridgeport and Hartford; Outlaws have chapters in Waterbury and Enfield, according to Vance and the clubs’ Web sites. Both claim they are not criminal gangs but motorcycle enthusiasts, but law enforcement officials have labeled them as well as others "outlaw motorcycle gangs."

The Mongols don’t have a Connecticut chapter, according to their Web site. The Pagans is a loose organization with roving chapters not tied to any geographic area but tending to stick to Eastern states.

Membership numbers in Connecticut weren’t available from Vance or the FBI Monday, but the Outlaws are relatively new to the state. The Waterbury chapter, which dubs itself the "Sin City Crew," was established in 2002, the Enfield chapter followed soon thereafter. The Hells Angels have been in Connecticut since the 1970s.

The Illinois-based Outlaws motorcycle club is well-known for its dislike of Hells Angels, and vice versa.

"I can’t say whether they (the Outlaws) were involved (in the shooting), but the two clubs have been very aggressive with each other in the past," said New Hampshire State Police Trooper Richard Spaulding, whose state is home to the annual Laconia Motorcycle Week. "They don’t like each other."

Vance said the green SUV’s Florida plates could mean the shooter was from out of state, but "it could also mean that the plates were stolen or fakes."

In Connecticut, the most recent confrontation between members of the two clubs occurred in 2004, when a Hells Angel beat an Outlaw with a ball-peen hammer and stole his club medallion and T-shirt. Wilfred Duquette, 54, pleaded guilty to one count of first-degree assault in January.

The Hells Angels Bridgeport chapter, of which Mariani was president, moved out of the city about 18 months ago, Bridgeport police Lt. James Viadero said. When the club was in the Park City, police didn’t have many problems with the members, except briefly during the mid-1980s and early 1990s, Viadero said, and police aren’t worried there will be any trouble between club members in the wake of Mariani’s death.

Fritz Blau, who owns Fritz’s Harley-Davidson in Stamford, said Mariani worked there for about six years but left two years ago to become a loan officer.


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The Associated Press contributed to this story.



©New Haven Register 2006

distra
April 4, 2006, 08:06 AM
Beat me to it 280plus. You coming out this weekend? A little wet Sat., but a good shoot.

Mcgunner, I think you have it right. I heard on the news (NBC30) that the current theory is a rival gang with members from FL decided to take out the HA pres. No further details, but it does look like they took this guy out on purpose. Not a road rage incident.

dmallind, one comment, check out www.packing.org, CT is a gun liberal state compared to the surrounding MA, and NY. We have a peaceable journey law, no limit to mag capacity, and no "gun list" of approved pistols. However, we do have to have a resident permit to transport or carry your pistol. Why would CT need stop and search stations with NY and MA comprising the majority of our borders?:rolleyes:

280PLUS
April 4, 2006, 08:10 AM
Here's the one that should have come first...

(Yes I do believe I will make it this weekend! :D )

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Biker shot to death on I-95
Marissa Yaremich, Register Staff
04/03/2006
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WEST HAVEN — Occupants in a car believed to be rival motorcycle club members opened fire on Interstate 95 in West Haven Sunday and shot two Hells Angels motorcyclists as they rode along the busy highway, killing one and injuring the other.


Traffic was tied up in the southbound lanes for hours as police investigated.

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State police closed the right and center highway lanes to southbound traffic near Exit 42 about 3:30 p.m. A state investigator specializing in motorcycle gangs was on the scene.

Upon arriving, emergency responders said a passer-by, described as a nurse, was helping the two Hells Angels, one of whom told the responders that they’d both managed to maneuver their motorcycles to the side of the highway before his friend became unconscious and died.

An ambulance transported the deceased biker, identified later as Roger Mariani, 61, of Stratford, to Yale-New Haven Hospital. He reportedly suffered a single gunshot wound that entered his lower back and exited his upper chest area.

Authorities recovered a bullet that lodged in the deceased’s Hells Angel jacket, which bore the Bridgeport chapter’s emblem, emergency responders said.

The second biker, identified as Paul Carrol of Bridgeport, managed to drive himself to Y-NH for treatment, sources said. He was later released after members of the Angels gathered at the hospital Sunday night, prompting New Haven police to station officers there. Police spokeswoman Bonnie Winchester said no incidents were reported.

Before Carrol left the scene, however, he told emergency responders that he and his friend were riding their motorcycles southbound when they allegedly passed a car several times carrying rival Outlaws’ motorcycle club members.

During one encounter, he said, someone in the vehicle allegedly pointed a gun out the window and fired at least two shots. Mariani and Carrol were among a group of bikers who were riding southbound on the highway when the shooting occurred. Police were considering a number of motives inclduing road rage.

Meanwhile, a bulletin provided to local police departments asked authorities to be on the lookout for a green sport utility vehicle, possibly a Chevy Tahoe or Blazer, potentially bearing a Florida license plate, with tinted windows. Four unknown occupants were believed to be members of the Outlaws’ club.

Both motorcycle clubs, with chapters in Connecticut, are recognized internationally for their hard-riding ways, membership loyalty and both criminal and charitable endeavors.

They also have a long-standing rivalry with one another.

The Outlaws Motorcycle Club, established in Illinois in 1935, is well known for its anti-Hells Angels sentiments, including slogans such as ADIOS ("Angels Die In Outlaw States") and AHAMD ("All Hells Angels Must Die").

The Hells Angels Motorcycle Club was founded in 1948 in California and launched into social notoriety in 1965 with the help of author Hunter S. Thompson’s book, "Hells Angels: The Strange and Terrible Saga of the Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs." Hells Angels touts more than 2,000 members in the United States. The Outlaws’ membership tally is unclear.

The two clubs’ most recent static erupted March 13, 2004, at the Brothers’ Harley-Davidson motorcycle dealership in Branford, when supposed Hells Angels member Wilfred Duquette, formerly of East Haven, allegedly beat a victim in the skull with a ball-peen hammer and stole the victim’s Outlaws medallion and T-shirt. Duquette pleaded guilty under the Alford doctrine to one count of first-degree assault in January.


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Marissa Yaremich can be reached at myaremich@nhregister.com or 789-5742.



©New Haven Register 2006

280PLUS
April 4, 2006, 08:12 AM
I know the Outlaws Clubhouse recently got raided in Waterbury. Don't know the outcome.

MedGrl
April 4, 2006, 10:13 AM
Connecticut may have gotten an A- from the brady bunch but the SUV had Florida plates according to the story. Florida got an F+ form the Brady Bunch.

Nashmack
April 4, 2006, 10:18 AM
What about rental companies? My sister just rented a car and it has Florida plates...

12-34hom
April 4, 2006, 11:57 AM
Lobotomy boy states Hells Angles are not a gang there a club.

Yea, there just a bunch of fun loving guys... Albeit a criminal organization.

L.B.- Where can i send you a "Free Sonny Barger" T - shirt, i know you will wear it with pride...:neener:

12-34hom.

Snake Eyes
April 4, 2006, 12:12 PM
a Hells Angel beat an Outlaw with a ball-peen hammer

When ball-peen hammers are outlawed, then Outlaws will have ball-peen hammers to fight back with!

Seriously, when are we going to do something about this insidious ball-peen hammer problem? For the (biker) children, dang it all!

dmallind
April 4, 2006, 01:59 PM
Distra - I was just being sarcastic in response to the original post's point about CT's Brady grade.

Looks like some indication I guessed wrong re rival gang involvement. Just wondered how a Florida SUV could end up being involved in a MC rivalry several states away but hey, anything's possible. Hope they catch whoever did it pretty soon - last thing I want is people getting the idea it's OK to take potshots at bikers, regardless of their bike or association of choice. It's dangerous enough with the SUV's themselves!

c_yeager
April 4, 2006, 03:01 PM
well... it depends on the dominant club in the area, and what kind of patch you're talking about (and how you handle the situation)...

If you're talking about a commercially available patch, there shouldn't be a problem.

If you're talking about a patch for a group, but not an MC (one piece, doesn't say MC, MB, etc), and you approach the dominant club in the area respectfully, you shouldn't have a problem (BACA fits here)...

If you're talking about a patch that's a copy of an MC patch, in any way, you're probably going to have problems...

Honestly, MCs don't start in on the general public, unless someone starts something with them...


This is essentially true, just bear in mind that IIRC even the BACA organizers sent their patch out to the HQ of at least one 3-patch organization for approval, so it is better safe than sorry. As long as you arent co-opting someone else's symbology then you are almost certainly OK, but you never do know. There are several "civilian" organizations that wear a single patch and they arent likely to draw any trouble for it. Well, not any trouble from bikers at least, they might still get hassled by cops, soccermoms, and general issue losers.

What I would like to find out is what this shooting was about. It could have been some kind of MC struggle, or it could simple be someone that got pissed off at this particular group, or it could have been simple road rage. The problem with them being Angels is that there are about a hundred reasons that someone might have shot them; rival clubs, people who dont like bikers, people who simply dont like *those* bikers, people who felt they had been vicimized by bikers/those individuals, people who dont like bikes, people dont like slow moving columns of anything, people who dont like noise, the list is endless.

For starters, the Angels are a club, not a "gang."

Well, we can have (and have had) whole threads on this distinction, but lets suffice it to say that these guys dont have a tree house with a "no girls" sign on the outside. The lines are blurry here.

And what on earth makes you think this was a rival club? Never mind that this happened half a continent away from Texas, but I wouldn't be worried about a "war" between the HAs and the Banditos anytime soon.

The Bandito/HA conflict has been brewing for some time, and there are places where it is rising to a boil. Several people have already been killed in this situation (mostly in Canada) and there is no indication that it will get any better before it gets worse. This isnt some crap made up by the MSM, you can ask the people involved. There is some bad blood here and it isnt just going to go away.

Master Blaster
April 4, 2006, 03:21 PM
Meanwhile, a bulletin provided to local police departments asked authorities to be on the lookout for a green sport utility vehicle, possibly a Chevy Tahoe or Blazer, potentially bearing a Florida license plate, with tinted windows. Four unknown occupants were believed to be members of the Outlaws’ club.


Yep in the Philadelphia area the pagans and the hells angels have been at it and last year there was a drive by shooting similar to this one.

NoPhilly
April 4, 2006, 05:41 PM
For starters, the Angels are a club, not a "gang." :rolleyes:


*Not in Philly

Wynterbourne
April 4, 2006, 07:26 PM
I've been reading that the HAs are trying to move in to Texas and the Banditos are threating war. There was a shooting of a HA "organizer" in Austin the other day.

The Bandito's and the H.A. have had a truce going for longer than I can remember. Texas is Bandito territory, and by the truce Hell's Angels don't wear their colors in Texas.

My understanding is that the 'organizer' was wearing his colors, violating the truce, pure and simple.

Strings
April 4, 2006, 08:41 PM
Sounds (from later reports) like the shooter was an outlaw, not Bandito. So any truce between Banditos and HA is kinda moot to the discussion...

rhubarb
April 4, 2006, 11:18 PM
Here's the nugget of wisdom I picked from this mess:

Roger Mariani, 61, of Stratford, pulled over before realizing he had been shot in the upper torso, Vance said. He later died at the Yale-New Haven Hospital.

He was riding a motor scooter, which presumably takes more motor skill to operate than a four wheeler.

He reportedly suffered a single gunshot wound that entered his lower back and exited his upper chest area.

...and didn't realize he'd been shot until after he'd pulled over? And he's 61 years old? And he took a fatal through-and-through gunshot in the torso and was still able to safely pull to the side of the road? And didn't respond to internet rhetoric about one stop shots? What's this world coming to?

Biker
April 4, 2006, 11:25 PM
He must've been shot with a 9mm...

Biker:neener:

Strings
April 4, 2006, 11:28 PM
rhubarb: move the selector switch from "burst" back to "semi", please...

cracked butt
April 4, 2006, 11:54 PM
There were quite a few murders going back and forth between the Hells Angels and the Outlaws in Southern Wisconsin a half dozen years back. About the same time that was going on, it was found out that the Outlaws were involved with racketeering and intimidation involving the union at Bucyrus Corp (they make giant draglines and other mining equipment)

c_yeager
April 5, 2006, 03:30 AM
He was riding a motor scooter, which presumably takes more motor skill to operate than a four wheeler.


Not really, its just that the consequences of screwing up are a lot higher. I have seen people safely make it home when they were too drunk to walk straight. Not that I ever did anything like that, even when I was younger and invincible :scrutiny:

A lot of people dont realize that they have been shot untill they actually look and see, sometimes they dont notice untill they are unconscious/dead.

Clean97GTI
April 5, 2006, 03:48 AM
He must've been shot with a 9mm...

Biker :neener:


ugh...Harley riders. :rolleyes: ;)

bratch
April 5, 2006, 03:55 AM
Harleys and 45s an American tradition

Clean97GTI
April 5, 2006, 04:06 AM
leaky bikes and slow bullets. :D

bratch
April 5, 2006, 04:27 AM
Steel my firend American Steel.

Omaha-BeenGlockin
April 5, 2006, 04:32 AM
I'm an older guy on sport bike(04 Kawi ZZR600)--it has a racing pipe--rejetted carbs and sticky Pirelli's---no stunting here---I have no problems from other bikers or the local PD.

No patches=no problems here----OPD will leave you alone as long as you aren't doing something stupid--a little excessive speed doesn't seem to draw their ire.

Also from what I gathered in a conversation with an officer is that the sport bikes are so fast that they are long gone by the time they get their car started or turned around---so why bother.

280PLUS
April 5, 2006, 09:12 AM
Two bikers nabbed after shooting
Marissa Yaremich, Register Staff
04/05/2006
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In what the police chief on Tuesday called "a heck of a coincidence," Enfield police arrested two reputed Hells Angels members Sunday in a vehicle toting a cache of weapons and a list of rival Outlaws gang members, less than seven hours after a Hells Angels chapter president was gunned down on Interstate 95 in West Haven.


The 10 p.m. incident, which unfolded within 200 yards of the home of the president of the Outlaws’ Enfield chapter, was immediately reported to state police and federal agents investigating the shooting death of Hells Angels member Roger "Bear" Mariani, said Enfield Police Chief Carl Sferrazza.

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"I can’t confirm this (arrest) has anything to do with what happened down there (in West Haven), but it’s a heck of a coincidence," Sferrazza said. "What (police) thought was strange was that the trunk of the vehicle was absolutely empty except for one 5-gallon container of gasoline."

Sferrazza said the incident captured his attention, considering that earlier Sunday, at about 3:30 p.m., Mariani, 61, a Stratford resident and president of the Hells Angels’ Bridgeport chapter, was riding south with a small contingent of bikers near Exit 42 when someone in a green sport utility vehicle shot at the motorcyclists.

Mariani died on the scene from a single gunshot wound, and fellow Hells Angels member Paul Carrol, 37, of Bridgeport, suffered minor injuries after being grazed by a bullet. Carrol allegedly told emergency medical responders that the car contained members of the rival Outlaws motorcycle club. A police bulletin also stated that the four occupants were suspected Outlaws members.

State police Sgt. J. Paul Vance confirmed that investigators are aware of Enfield’s arrests of Trevor Delaware, 35, and Jeffrey Richard, 38, both of 150 Long Hill Road, Andover, but that state police haven’t "finalized" any distinct connection between the two incidents. Both men, who were released after making bail, were charged with one count each of weapons in a motor vehicle and theft of a marker plate.

As for the "coincidence," Vance said everything is still on the table, including that police have not pinpointed gang rivalry as the motive for the I-95 shooting.

Enfield’s information, he added, was one of "a large number of observations" called in to state police about the incident. He declined to say whether other area police departments reported incidents with motorcycle clubs after the shooting. He would say, however, that most calls were witnesses to the crime.

Sferrazza said an officer on patrol spotted a vehicle suspiciously parked in the rear of a municipal parking lot in the Thompsonville section of Enfield. The vehicle "squealed" out of the lot as the officer’s cruiser entered it. The officer noticed the driver, later identified as Delaware, wasn’t wearing his seat belt, prompting the officer to follow the vehicle. A check of the marker plate revealed it had been reported stolen in East Haven. The officer stopped the vehicle shortly thereafter.

"Between them, (the officer) noticed a softball bat, a bent golf ball club and a homemade, makeshift-type club," Sferrazza said. The passenger, later identified as Richard, also had a loaded handgun, which the chief confirmed he has a legal permit to carry.

Sferrazza said police also discovered "four pages of a police gang intelligence training manual, which identified 10 Connecticut Outlaws gang members," six knives, gloves and "mask-type concealment garments."

The men allegedly gave police conflicting stories explaining why they were in Enfield, including that they’d stopped to urinate or were visiting friends, the chief said. Neither one was willing to identify the friend when police pressed them, Sferrazza noted.

During booking, police noticed that both men bore Hells Angels logo tattoos and personal property. Delaware was also charged with possession of marijuana for allegedly stashing the contraband in his boot.

Although an undetermined number of Outlaws members frequent Enfield, Sferrazza said, the municipality hasn’t experienced any gang violence. Further, the chapter’s Spring Street clubhouse closed three years ago because of the city’s zoning enforcement, he said.

Vicki Woods, spokeswoman for the FBI in New Haven, would not comment on either incident because the I-95 shooting case is still pending. Any other witnesses are asked to call state police in Bridgeport at (203) 696-2500.


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April 5, 2006, 09:21 AM
Gang Suspects Had Secret Files
April 5, 2006
By GARY LIBOW and MONICA POLANCO, Courant Staff Writers Suspected Hells Angels members arrested in Enfield hours after a Hells Angels motorcyclist was shot to death had pages from a classified state police manual that lists the identities and addresses of rival gang members.

Police are looking into whether Andover residents Jeffrey Richard and Trevor Delaware, armed with a loaded gun and six knives, planned to retaliate against members of the rival Outlaws gang to avenge the fatal shooting Sunday afternoon of Roger Mariani, a Hells Angels leader in Connecticut, on a highway in West Haven.

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Richard, 39, and Delaware, 35, sported gang-related tattoos and had marked some of the items in their possession with the Hells Angels insignia, Enfield police reported.

"We don't know at this point if these individuals were just a coincidence or if they were in town here to do some harm to some of the Outlaw motorcycle gang," Enfield Police Chief Carl J. Sferraza said Tuesday.

The Outlaws have a chapter in Enfield.

The manuals, reportedly numbered so they can be traced, are distributed two to each barracks by the state police gang intelligence unit, a state police source said Tuesday.

Sferraza said the gang-related documents are commonly distributed to patrol officers statewide who take classes to be recertified every three years.

"I have seen these several times at several different trainings," the chief said. "They're not uncommon to police trainings, and what I have is consistent with that."

Mariani, a 61-year-old Stratford resident, was fatally shot about 3:30 p.m. Sunday while riding on the Connecticut Turnpike in West Haven with more than 20 fellow bikers.

Another member of the Angels, Paul Carroll, 39, of Bridgeport, was wounded by shots fired from a green sport utility vehicle bearing Florida plates.

About 10 p.m. Sunday, a vehicle operated by Richard was searched by Enfield Police Sgt. Thomas Foy, who noticed a seatbelt violation. Police discovered the license plates on the vehicle had been reported stolen in East Haven.

Searching the vehicle, police found four pages of the classified manual between the seats of the vehicle. Police also found knives, a variety of gloves and masks, a softball bat, a homemade wooden club, a slightly bent golf club, and a ball-peen hammer.

Richard, who has a valid pistol permit, was in possession of a loaded gun.

The state police intelligence information lists the names of suspected motorcycle gang members, their photos and last known addresses, alias and possible associates, according to police sources.

Both Richard and Delaware were charged with possession of weapons in a motor vehicle and theft of a marker plate. Delaware was also charged with possession of narcotics, marijuana and drug paraphernalia. The two posted bail and are due April 11 in Superior Court in Enfield.

A state police source said this is not the first time Hells Angels members were found in possession of state police gang intelligence.

Investigators recovered state police gang manuals in the homes of Hells Angels when they executed search warrants during an investigation into the illegal production and sale of drivers' licenses. The bogus licenses were issued through the state Department of Motor Vehicles office in Bridgeport.



Staff Writer Jeffrey Cohen contributed to this story.

DRZinn
April 5, 2006, 01:29 PM
OK, I'm sorry, I don't usually do this, but this was off-topic from the beginning and has only gone farther.

c_yeager
April 5, 2006, 03:48 PM
OK, I'm sorry, I don't usually do this, but this was off-topic from the beginning and has only gone farther.

News of a double shooting and homicide is off-topic on a gun board?

280PLUS
April 5, 2006, 05:56 PM
Apparently there's no raging biker war giong on in Doc's neighborhood. As for us CT folk I'd say it would be a wise thing to keep abreast of the situation.

Here's a more topical view for you.

Scenario:

You're at the local ice cream shop where all the bikers gather on Sunday afternoon after their various rides. Suddenly, all around you, gunfire breaks out between the Hells Angels and the Outlaws. You're packing your favorite CCW. What do you do?

PS - There is such an ice cream shop not too far from here.

I'll tell you what worries me. I happen to know that there are women and children caught up in this too.

crazed_ss
April 5, 2006, 06:10 PM
You're at the local ice cream shop where all the bikers gather on Sunday afternoon after their various rides. Suddenly, all around you, gunfire breaks out between the Hells Angels and the Outlaws. You're packing your favorite CCW. What do you do?

I'd make sure not to hang out places frequented by biker gangs in the first place.

If I drove up and saw them on hanging out, I'd leave and go to another Ice Cream shop.

If I was eating ice cream there and saw a bunch of gangsters roll up on their bikes, I'd cooly like walk to my Camaro and get the heck out of dodge..

Biker
April 5, 2006, 06:21 PM
Well folks, I'd say you're pretty safe at an ice cream shop. Fact is, long as you don't take your kids around bars bearing the name of "Buzzard's'' or "The Rim Rock", you're pretty safe.;)
Biker

WT
April 5, 2006, 07:04 PM
The ice cream shop he is talking about is Marcus Dairy in Danbury. Its not unusual for 1,000-2,000 bikes to show up on a nice Sunday afternoon.

Leave it to HA to screw it up for everybody else.

DRZinn
April 5, 2006, 08:16 PM
News of a double shooting and homicide is off-topic on a gun board?Apparently there's no raging biker war giong on in Doc's neighborhood. As for us CT folk I'd say it would be a wise thing to keep abreast of the situation.Just because a gun was used does not, except very tenuously, make the whole discussion "gun-related." And it's now degenerated into who wore what patch on whose turf, which isn't even close to the topic.

I haven't, however, used the "report this post" button. I've only done that once, and it was really necessary.

280PLUS
April 5, 2006, 08:23 PM
The more I think about it actually there's a few ice cream stands / hamburger stands around here that would fit the bill. I've never had a worry at any of them before but ditto on the HA messing it up for everybody.

CT is a small state. I know that for a few THR members here the towns mentioned hit pretty close to home.

280PLUS
April 5, 2006, 08:31 PM
If nothing else it is self defense related and it pertains to the safety of a few THR members who are caught living in amongst it. When I started reading this there was a lot of conjecture going on. I located what is hopefully some factual information on the topic and posted it here to shed light on the situation so that my law abiding neighbor friends are more aware of what's going on out there. If the HA and the OMC are going to be going at it around here all summer I, for one, would like to be aware of it.

SOT
April 6, 2006, 12:21 AM
Why would people kill each other over a bike club membership?You're obviously niave. Many motorcycle "clubs" are not merely clubs, but rather organized criminal gangs. Just like the mafia, Bloods, Gangster Disciples, MS-13, etc, the Hells Angels, Bandidos, Outlaws, and others are gangs of criminals. The motorcycle gangs often do "go to war," sometimes over very stupid things.

odysseus
April 6, 2006, 05:21 AM
The motorcycle gangs often do "go to war," sometimes over very stupid things.

...but mostly territory and rights to a multi-million dollar drug distribution territory, stolen goods, intimidation scams, killings, and other illegal and violent trades.

Not all HA's are bad, but not all HA's are good. I have met both. There has always been a tier to them whereby they have honorary members who don't get their feet wet and don't get invited to a lot of things, but are good for the long term organization. Of course my idea of what HA is goes back to Oakland, so that may be pretty different then other HA clubs in other areas.

I believe also in AZ there is still a huge ongoing war with the Nomads that I have seen. It's all about illicit trade as far as I understand it.

280PLUS
April 6, 2006, 09:27 AM
The only new info is that both guys in the Enfield incident are out on bond.

tellner
April 6, 2006, 02:52 PM
Like I said, businessmen trying to maximize their shareholders' equity without going to the courts ;)

c_yeager
April 6, 2006, 05:31 PM
Just because a gun was used does not, except very tenuously, make the whole discussion "gun-related." And it's now degenerated into who wore what patch on whose turf, which isn't even close to the topic.

Since the case is open we really dont know who did the shooting or why. It is possible that there is a motorist out there who is getting their kicks by shooting motorcyclists on the road. The fact that these guys happen to be Hells Angels could very well be irrelevant. Since there are a number of people on this board who ride motorcycles, some of whom kinda "look like" the Hells Angel "type" it is certainly something that should be known. Its clearly self-defense related.

If it makes you feel better how about we discuss what the hell you are supposed to do if your riding a bike and someone starts shooting at you? There arent a lot of options that spring instantly to mind. Riding a bike is one of those rare situations where you really cant draw and fire a weapon.

Lobotomy Boy
April 6, 2006, 05:34 PM
Riding a bike is one of those rare situations where you really cant draw and fire a weapon.

I've toyed with the idea of mounting a pair of remote-controlled, rearward-facing 10-gauge autoloaders in my saddlebags, aimed right about where the radiator is on most SUVs...

Strings
April 6, 2006, 05:57 PM
>I've toyed with the idea of mounting a pair of remote-controlled, rearward-facing 10-gauge autoloaders in my saddlebags, aimed right about where the radiator is on most SUVs...<


I always thought a few hotloaded .44mag test barrels would be better...

280PLUS
April 6, 2006, 07:09 PM
Well, apparently the HA are still convinced the OMC had something to do with it. It's going to be an interesting summer... :banghead:

Biker
April 6, 2006, 07:15 PM
Ahhhh, I'm so glad that my MC consists of my OL, my scoot and my dogs these days.
I didn't understand it then, and I don't understand it now.
After all, it's supposed to be about Freedom.
The movie Easyrider just about nailed it.
Biker

Strings
April 6, 2006, 11:28 PM
damn Biker... I was gonna ask you to expain the whole rivalry thing to me! :neener:

Lobotomy Boy
April 7, 2006, 09:09 AM
Biker, you use a sidecar for the dogs?

I had a Ural once and I really liked it. My Rottweiler loved it (so did my wife--if I referred to her as my "OL," I'd be celibate until after the next election).

Biker
April 7, 2006, 09:11 AM
My ol '48 pan had a sidecar and my dog Olaf The Fat loved it. I plan on building a trike next so I can take my dogs fishing with me.:)
Biker

Lobotomy Boy
April 7, 2006, 09:33 AM
You best ride a trike before building one. I am a sidecar nut (you have to be a little nuts to like sidecars), but I can't stand trikes. They just don't work right. With a sidecar rig you are riding a single-tracked vehicle when turning right (flying the chair) and a two-tracked vehicle when turning left, both of which make a certain amount of sense. My Ural had a warning sticker on the tank with a skull and crossbones that said: "Danger: Lefthand and righthand turns can be dangerous." Just going straight was plenty exciting in its own right.

On a trike, you have a three-tracked vehicle all the time, which makes zero sense from a physics standpoint. Turning left or right is not just dangerous--at times it is impossible. They just plow straight ahead.

The only trikes I really like are the VW-powered ones. Those are much better balanced, handle pretty well, do great wheelies, and are screaming good fun.

Biker
April 7, 2006, 09:43 AM
Yeah, I'm thinking the VW route. My ol' '74 bug caught on fire last summer so all I have to do is fab a frame, pretty much. Engine and tranny is still good.
Might have it up by mid summer.:)
Biker

skynyrd1911
April 8, 2006, 11:34 AM
Back in my "younger days" I met some members of the Outlaws and though I didn't ride with them, they were always friendly towards me. Now what they did for a living is THEIR business. After making friends with a couple they treated me like a brother. This was on the east coast, primarily NC, SC, and FL. I do however know that they don't like Hell's Angels and visa versa. Infact the two Outlaws that I used to see occasionly are deceased because of the Hell's Angels. :(
Just another note.......Members of BOTH clubs usually don't bother citizens unless they are provoked. I witnessed a confrontation between a small group of Hell's Angels and some US Marines. The Marines were drunk and were taunting the bikers. Bikers remained calm sitting there eating their lunch until they just couldn't take it anymore. After a few short minutes ambulances were transporting the Marines to the hospital. Evidently the Marines let their mouths overload their ass.

blackdragon
April 9, 2006, 04:08 AM
Daytona Beach is Outlaw territory; all serious clubs here are outlaw approved..even some of the mom&pop clubs.

Last little while I've been hearing that HA graffitti has been showing up at a few of the neutral bars in town. Some guys I know (and know of) that didn't carry have started (all legally AFAIK).

These guys aren't even OLs, but since their patches ate OL-approved, they fear getting caught up in any HA/OL action.

A few HA have even been seen in the area.

I'm sure there is more that what I hear, but the OLs are anything less than pleased about a HA presence here. And a truck with Florida plates nailing HAs does not look good. Guess it could be coincidence....

280PLUS
April 10, 2006, 06:47 AM
Hells Angels roar in for gang leader’s wake
Chris Rhatigan, Register Staff
04/08/2006

BRIDGEPORT — Mourners came roaring in on motorcycles adorned with blue flames and sporting black leather jackets Friday to pay their respects to Hells Angels leader Roger "Bear" Mariani, who was killed in West Haven Sunday in a possibly biker gang-related shooting.


Mariani, 61, of Stratford, was shot to death while driving south on Interstate 95 in West Haven with a group of motorcyclists. Paul Carrol, a Bridgeport man who was riding with Mariani, was grazed by a bullet in the same incident.

On Friday afternoon, a police broadcast warned that sources said two hit men hired by the Outlaws motorcycle club were traveling north from the Southeast in a red Chevrolet Cavalier with California plates, and were carrying a cache of weapons, including pistols. However, there were no incidents at the wake Friday.

About a dozen Bridgeport police officers were staked out in the vicinity of the funeral home. However, police had said the presence was because of the high-profile nature of the case, which garnered national media attention.

The parking lot of Parente-Lauro Funeral Home on Bridgeport’s Washington Avenue was packed with Harley Davidson motorcycles, as men dressed in black leather jackets adorned with faded patches patted each other on the back, shook hands and smoked cigarettes.

Members of Hells Angels branches from far and wide, including Nevada, California, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, New Hampshire and Quebec, attended the wake, each displaying the red and white patch with the group’s name on their back. Members from other gangs, such as Crossroads and the Red Devils, also turned out.

"He was a true Angel if there ever was one," said Cliff Edwards, a Stratford man who was a friend of Mariani. "He will be missed. It didn’t have to happen this way."

Edwards also is a motorcyclist who belongs to the Teamsters Horsemen association. He said that he was at a Harley Davidson dealership in Bridgeport when Mariani bought a motorcycle there three months ago.

One mourner, Chris Ottinger, called Mariani’s slaying "senseless."

"It’s a terrible loss. He was the friendliest guy around," said Ottinger. He said Mariani’s wife, Natalie, is his daughter’s godmother.

Mariani was a past president of the Hells Angels Bridgeport chapter and a decorated Army veteran. He also was an ex-federal prison inmate who served time after a federal crackdown that netted the arrests of 37 Hells Angels and associates from Connecticut in the 1980s in a case that included 125 arrests and seizure of $2 million in drugs. He was released from prison in 1995, according to the U.S. Bureau of Prisons.

Some of the mourners didn’t know Mariani, but came out to show their support. A New Hampshire man, who did not wish to be identified, said he and his brother, both motorcycle enthusiasts, came to "give their respects."

Nicky Delgeo of West Haven said he saw Mariani and his friends around often at Black and Blue, a Bridgeport bar where Delgeo works.

"They’re good guys. They minded their own business," he said.

A woman who described herself as a family member of Mariani’s declined comment.

The slaying is being investigated as possibly gang-related, as Carrol allegedly told emergency responders that the four men in the car who fired at him and Mariani were members of the Outlaws motorcycle gang, a rival group to the Angels. However, police have not determined any motive for the shooting, including whether it was gang-related.

Regarding the police broadcast on the Outlaws issued Friday, state police Sgt. J. Paul Vance said the agency is working with local police departments and paying attention to all possibilities.

"We’re putting it out there in the interest of public safety," he said, about keeping local departments informed about the latest chatter. Vance added that there have been no breaks in the Mariani case.

The two biker clubs have harbored animosity for each other for a long time. In mid-January, reputed Hells Angel Wilfred Duquette, formerly of East Haven, was convicted of assaulting a rival with a ball-peen hammer and taking his Outlaws medallion outside the Brother’s Harley Davidson dealership in Branford.

Funeral services will take place 9 a.m. today.

Register reporters Robert Varley and William Kaempffer contributed to this story. Chris
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April 11, 2006, 07:48 AM
From the Hartford Courant

Justice Sought For Slain Biker
Condolences Come From Around The World For Hells Angels Leader
April 8, 2006
By GARY LIBOW, Courant Staff Writer Many of the roughly 170 electronic guestbook condolences for the slain Hells Angels leader known as "Bear" were resolute in their wish that "justice be served."

From as far away as Croatia, Austria, Germany and Italy, many of the condolences expressed hope that Roger Mariani, who was gunned down Sunday on the Connecticut Turnpike in West Haven and who will be buried today following a 9 a.m. funeral, rest in peace.

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Those attending services at the Parente-Lauro Funeral Home in Bridgeport and the burial at nearby Mountain Grove Cemetery also will notice a high-profile presence of local and state police and other law enforcement officers.

Hells Angels members from across the nation and abroad plan to attend, Bridgeport Police Lt. James Viadero said Friday.

"We expect a large number of attendees. We are going to have a special contingent of officers dedicated to that event," Viadero said. "We're not expecting any problems, but should one arise we will be prepared."

Some Hells Angels suspect members of the rival Outlaws motorcycle club are responsible for fatally shooting Mariani, 61, a member of the Hells Angels for more than three decades. Another biker, Paul Carroll, 39, of Bridgeport, was grazed by a bullet in the incident.

Two suspected Hells Angels members arrested in Enfield hours after the slaying were found by local officers with pages from a classified state police manual that identifies Outlaws by name and photograph.

Andover residents Jeffrey Richard and Trevor Delaware were apprehended Sunday in a vehicle close to the home of an Outlaws leader. The two had a loaded gun, six knives and other weapons.

Waterbury attorney Leonard Crone, who has represented several Outlaws, says the club is bothered by suspicions that the Outlaws may have been involved in the shooting.

"They insist that they had nothing to do with this incident," Crone said Friday. "It bothers them that the animosity now has festered in the state. They feel they had nothing to do with it, and yet that's the source of all this animosity and bad blood."

The Enfield arrest of the two suspected Hells Angels, who police say may have been seeking to retaliate, has his clients on edge, Crone said. "This has certainly added to a heightened sense of awareness," he said, adding that the Outlaws have moved at least one family member into a "safe house."

"That left a bad taste in their mouth," Crone said of the Outlaws. "...They're not afraid of anything."



Courant Staff Writer Jeffrey Cohen contributed to this report.

280PLUS
April 11, 2006, 07:55 AM
Hartford Courant April 8, 2006:

A federal lawsuit filed by members of the Outlaws Motorcycle Club accusing the state of using excessive force and making unreasonable seizures during a raid of a club Christmas party in 2003 can proceed, a federal judge has ruled.

Ruling on a motion to dismiss the lawsuit filed by the state, Judge Janet C. Hall did dismiss some claims, including those alleging that the state lacked probable cause for its original warrant and that its decision to employ a "tactical team" was excessive.

But in a 108-page ruling, Hall found there was enough evidence to move forward on other claims, including allegations that police unreasonably seized photographs and the club spokesman's address book. Hall also allowed allegations of excessive use of force to go forward.

In executing a search warrant for guns at the club's Waterbury clubhouse on Dec. 20, 2003, state police officers forced people to the floor, handcuffed revelers, ripped open Christmas presents, and injured some detainees, the lawsuit alleges.

The plaintiffs also allege that while state police said they were there with a warrant to find guns belonging to a club member, they were actually there to gather intelligence on the club. The lawsuit claims police individually photographed everyone at the party.

"If they wanted to find guns, they didn't have to do it in the middle of a Christmas party," said Kathleen Eldergill, the attorney for the plaintiffs. "Clearly, they went in the middle of a party and their purpose was to gather intelligence."

Attorney General Richard Blumenthal, in a written statement, said the ruling was good news for the state.

"This decision is significant in greatly reducing the scope and severity of the claims against the state police," Blumenthal said. "This decision confirms that the state had just cause for a search warrant - and executed its warrant without intent to harass or unfairly target those present at the time the warrant was executed."

State police officials said Friday there is no link between the information gathered during the Christmas party raid and intelligence on the Outlaws seized during the arrest of two Hells Angels earlier this week. The seized paperwork, which identifies Outlaws by name and photograph, was generated in the spring of 2003, half a year before the Christmas party, said state police Sgt. J. Paul Vance.

Last weekend's highway shooting in West Haven of two Hells Angels that left one man dead has revived interest in relations between the two organizations.

The night of the shooting, Enfield police arrested two men they identified as Hells Angels in a car with stolen plates. Police are investigating whether the men were on a mission to retaliate, they said. The men had a loaded gun, six knives, and pages from a classified state police manual that listed the identities and addresses of various Outlaws.

CTrider
December 24, 2009, 03:20 PM
With all this talk on here has anyone kept track of what has followed up? I happen to know both men that were shot. They were both nice guys, but they had their rough areas too. The survivor is now in jail for assaulting a 50something year old woman in a bar, this is far from his first charge. He happens to be someone that I considered a friend until I saw way too much I didn't agree with, we stopped talking about 10 years ago. It's too bad this garbage has to happen, but they live by the sword they will die by the sword, hopefully without too many innocents getting injured in the fallout.

The ice cream place used to be a fun place to meet on Sunday mornings and then take a nice ride to the north for lunch. I have seen a few fights there, but it is normally not the clubs or even the bikers starting it,I have seen a number of college kids trying to act tough and then threatening to call their lawyers when they are confronted. If you leave these guys alone, they will leave you alone, but at the same time you always have an idiot in the group no matter what type of group it is.

Was it a "gang war"? Who knows, as far as I knoiw there have been no follow up arrests made. We can all speculate on this but it isn't much different than closing your eyes and trying to aim.

Finally, I apologize for posting this so late after the last post but I just read the thread and joined after searching for something else.

dtrBG
December 25, 2009, 04:36 PM
Cool to see a thread from 2006. Must have being good back when threads weren't closed left & right for not being 100% firearm related.

Sam1911
December 25, 2009, 09:46 PM
I believe the applicable phasing is something like, "Just because an illegal act happens to be committed with a gun does not automatically make it "gun related" for the purposes of discussion here at THR," or words to that effect.

Still, amazing to see how much traction crap like this got here, even just three years ago.

-Sam

DMF
December 27, 2009, 01:37 PM
Wow, what's with the resurrected threads the last couple of days?

Anyway, since I missed this thread when originally discussed let me address a few things:

DILLIGAF?
?? Saying used by, and often put on shirts, sewn to vest/jackets, by people desperate to show how "bad***" they are. The reality being that if they are doing things like that to show how "bad***" they are they are really showing that they are just posers trying to look tough when they aren't. ;)

For starters, the Angels are a club, not a "gang."Talk about BS. That claim about the Hells Angels just being a "club" is total BS. While not merely a gang, they are most certainly not just a club. The Hells Angels along with a few other Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are more accurately a hybrid of a typical street gangs and organized crime.

OMGs, like the Hells Angels, are not really "clubs", just like La Cosa Nostra is not really a group for protecting the rights of Italians.

jahwarrior
December 27, 2009, 02:30 PM
let's hear it for thread necromancy.

and, who cares if these guys shoot each other to death? they're garbage, posing as a 'club' instead of admitting what they are: organized crime, involved in drug trade, extortion, racketeering, theft, and murder.

divemedic
December 27, 2009, 03:19 PM
I think it is funny that some get mad because of zombie threads, while others always get mad when others start new threads on subjects that have threads already. Make up your minds.

Also, at work we get briefings on area gangs once a year. The last one we got included information on motorcycle gangs. The dominant one in Florida along the I-4 corridor is the Outlaws. There are no MCs allowed to exist in the area, unless they pay dues (read: protection money) to the Outlaws, with the exception being the Blue Knights, and other LEO MCs. Wearing any colors whatsoever is likely to get you hassled by Outlaws. They have been known to pull over other bikers, and order them to remove their leather jackets, threatening them with violence if they refuse.

Even the firefighter one (Fire and Iron) pays dues to them. There is an Outlaw clubhouse less than 2 miles from my home, and I live in a nice neighborhood.

Friends of mine who ride have been pulled over by 4 or 5 Outlaws who are armed, and threatened.

The cops know about it, but little is done. I don't know why. The cop doing our briefing did not elaborate on why.

Art Eatman
December 27, 2009, 04:27 PM
This resurrection is certainly not related to laws pertaiining to firearms...

C'est finis.

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