The equipment snobs are going to be laughing at me.


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GRIFFIN1
April 3, 2006, 09:40 PM
http://home.sport.rr.com/rbgriff/sweeet-barska-scope.jpg

Barska 8-32x44 on a Savage 10FP. I put the sun shade on the scope to make it look even more ridiculous. I bought the scope from Walmart with the idea that I would take it back if it was junk. It seems like it's good enough to keep for now, but I should know for sure once I take it shooting.

I just hope I'm the only one at the range when I pull this thing out.

The gun, scope, and bipod all came from Walmart. I'll never buy another gun from Walmart. I was standing around the sporting goods counter for an hour and fifteen minutes while two managers and the regular worker tried to get the paperwork done.

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mustanger98
April 3, 2006, 09:49 PM
GRIFFIN1, I wouldn't be embarrassed by the looks of your rifle. I know I'm not real big on tacticool, but my Savage M11GL's wearing see-through mounts, a Harris bi-pod, and one of those elastic cuff type shell holders on the stock. These kinda cease to look like deer rifles when you get into bipods, but they should prove good in benchrest and anti-varmint applications.

I don't know about Barska scopes. I usually buy Simmons 3-9x32.

I've yet to buy a gun at Wallyworld for fear of the situation you just described. However, I do buy ammo there from time to time... mostly .30-30, .243Win, and .22LR. The girls behind the sporting goods counter seem to know something about .22's at the Wallyworld I go to.

rockstar.esq
April 4, 2006, 02:10 AM
Thing about equipment snobs is that anything that's affordable and works just as well will be looked down upon on general principal. Don't forget that many snobs believe in purchasing the absolute finest firearm for a particular application then they don't shoot it so as to protect their investment. I say get to the range and print yourself a respectable group. To me that's the final say on what's worth having. I don't know what caliber you bought but if you've got a .308Win I'd suggest you try the Black Hills Match ammo with the 168gr Sierra BTHP. Mine loves them big time!

beerslurpy
April 4, 2006, 02:14 AM
All guns are meant to be shot unless they are very old historical guns. Anything tacticool is a waste of money if it isnt shot frequently.

PATH
April 4, 2006, 02:32 AM
That looks like a nice rifle to me. If you enjoy it then let the snobs be damned! I hope you enjoy shooting it!

Fire4Effect
April 4, 2006, 02:33 AM
just don't cut the barrel down or you'll get flash burns on the scope... Other than that... have fun with it:D

swingset
April 4, 2006, 02:44 AM
I just hope I'm the only one at the range when I pull this thing out.


Sounds like you're already laughing at yourself...why worry about equipment snobs if you're going to have an inferiority complex at the range?

Shoot your gun and enjoy it. If it works, laugh all the way to the bank. If it doesn't, go buy better stuff.

I'm not at the range for style points, ever. If someone laughs at my gear, I can always elect to shoot at them. :neener:

Fire4Effect
April 4, 2006, 02:57 AM
Remember this...after all the laughing is done, the holes in the center of the target will laugh last...

LeonCarr
April 4, 2006, 05:41 AM
Hey GRIFFIN1,

I love it when guys with inexpensive rifles go to the range and outshoot the equipment snobs. Keep your rifle the way it is, find a load it likes, and shoot it until it becomes part of you. If something breaks or doesn't work right, replace it with something better when funds are available.

Somebody asked me once upon a time what the difference was between a rifle that shot 3/4 MOA, and a rifle that shot 1/2 MOA. I replied, "about 2500 dollars". :)

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

USMCRotrHed
April 4, 2006, 06:19 AM
A couple of weeks ago I took my fresh out of the box CMP Garand to a 600 yard match. I had milsurp ammo, my pad was an old camping sleep pad, and I borrowed someone's binoculars. They all had tricked out competition F class rifles with awesome scopes and all the cool equipment. I was welcomed by everyone there. They were happy another person showed interest in their event.

Just go out and shoot!

Schleprok62
April 4, 2006, 06:57 AM
Hell... you have nothing there to be embarrassed about... Nice rifle, and I haven't heard anything really bad about Barka scopes... yet... I have the Plinker 22 model on my Rem 597, and it's a great scope... haven't had to reajdust it yet... after about 1000 rounds od general plinking...

Just put some holes in some paper and give us a range report... :neener:

Oh, and that is a nice setup!! :cool:

redneck2
April 4, 2006, 07:15 AM
don't understand why anyone would laugh. Gotta start somewhere and few start at the top. At most places I've shot, guys fall all over themselves to help you out. Just make sure you don't interrupt their shooting or prep time.

Your biggest challenge on "entry level" equipment is maintaining integrity. I had a cheap Simmons scope. Wouldn't hold zero. Would creep as much as 4 inches at 100 yards. Unfortunately, I was new enough in the precision shooting game that I struggled way too long with a set-up that never could perform

IMO, you biggest areas of concern are (after your technique)

(1) scope integrity, including mounts
(2) quality of ammo
(3) rifle brand

If you don't handload, I'd suggest starting

And...the sun shade's there for a reason. It shades the sun (hence the name). Good thing to have. It's not just for looks.

USSR
April 4, 2006, 08:13 AM
Snobs? Since when is someone who wants and can afford something that excels under any and all circumstances deemed a snob? I'd call that guy a lucky SOB.

Don

db_tanker
April 4, 2006, 08:35 AM
The finest range moment I had was when I pulled out my 12" 223 TC with a Simmons 4x32 pistol scope on it...set up next to a fella that had a VERY nice Styer Mannlicher...Nikon Monarch scope...I even walked over to him and told him so...he was somewhat aloof but accepted the praise with SOME graciousness...not much...but some...then we proceeded to shoot some paper...he was somewhat annoyed that his rifle wasn't as loud as my muzzle-tame'd TC. :)


After it was all said and done...his little Styer with the Nikon glass was showing a decent group of about 1-3/4" groups at 100 with his 308...I told him handloads should tighten up the group.

He then looked upon my paper...I had a very good, very lucky day...

shot two 1-1/4 groups with three of the five touching and none out of the X ring.

Funny thing was, he didn't comment about my groups...

That TC setup, my first, cost me all of about 375 bucks...including the glass. I am sure that his rig was a shade over 2 grand...it's those types of moments that make it worth going to a public range now and then. :neener:

My friend, go forth and shoot thy paper with no shame. :D

d

PS...DAMN nice looking rig, brother. I would be proud to have it in my gun cabinet. :)

dfaugh
April 4, 2006, 08:51 AM
Especially since I've been eye-balling pretty much the same setup! Yes, I'd love to be able to spend more, but can't justify it. about the only thing that's kept me from buying it is the stock on the Savage, the synthetic stock on the couple I looked at just didn't "feel" right...Made well enough, just not to my liking. So when I do it, I have to figure on spending some more $$ on a stock.

As far as che...err, inexpensive scopes go, I've used inexpensive scopes for 30 years, mostly Tascos...I've looked at the Barskas and they seem quite decent for the money. The only person I know who has bought one (I think the same as yours) loves it, so far.

I suspect you'll find that this setup is capable of very,very good, and maybe stellar accuracy.

ball3006
April 4, 2006, 03:32 PM
is not directly proportional to the accuracy of the gun. I have outshot several multi thousand dollar guns at the range with my 90 dollar Mosin Nagant 91/30 with open sights.......I don't bother telling them that Tikka installed the barrel in 1943...hehehe.......Your rifle looks just fine to me.........chris3

mustanger98
April 4, 2006, 04:33 PM
I have outshot several multi thousand dollar guns at the range with my 90 dollar Mosin Nagant 91/30 with open sights.......I don't bother telling them that Tikka installed the barrel in 1943...hehehe.......

This brings to mind a story I've related several times of the cast bullet match I shot back in August... one guy had a Browning HighWall .45-70 with a Browning rear sight that cost $450. I was shooting my old '94 .30-30 with the Lyman #2 tang sight... had the target aperture in... I outshot him across the bench and offhand standing both, then outshot him and everybody else in the bucket match. My old '94 only cost about half what that one guy's rear sight cost.

wanderinwalker
April 4, 2006, 10:49 PM
Looks like a shooter to me. What's wrong with the rifle? Shoot good ammo and it will punch nice, neat little knots. Isn't that enough? :cool:

I love shooting at Highpower matches with my "cheap" gear and factory Armalite rifle. Nobody ever told me you need $400 jackets, $500 spotting scopes and a rifle with every mod known to man to shoot Master-and-higher scores. The only thing that has put me in my place so far was shooting at Camp Perry. I'm not sure but I think my tired old barrel (I don't remember how many rounds) may have given up the ghost that week! :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, and you want to make equipment snobs get uppity? Pull out an old iron-sighted 1903A3 and punch groups as good as theirs. And then tell them that their trickled charges, weighed bullets, sorted cases and turned necks aren't needed for 1.5-MOA accuracy.

Good luck with the Savage. Hope it's a shooter! And Wal-Mart isn't the only place that can screw up paperwork, FWIW. :scrutiny:

whm1974
April 5, 2006, 07:06 AM
Snobs? Since when is someone who wants and can afford something that excels under any and all circumstances deemed a snob? I'd call that guy a lucky SOB.

In the first place these snobs are not buying that kind of equipment. They buy way overpriced stuff and cause prices to rise for the rest of us.

I have outshot several multi thousand dollar guns at the range with my 90 dollar Mosin Nagant 91/30 with open sights

I have heard this sort of thing from other people who have surplus rifles. A piece of equipment is no better then the person using it.

-Bill

USSR
April 5, 2006, 08:23 AM
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Snobs? Since when is someone who wants and can afford something that excels under any and all circumstances deemed a snob? I'd call that guy a lucky SOB.


In the first place these snobs are not buying that kind of equipment. They buy way overpriced stuff and cause prices to rise for the rest of us.

whm1974,

Would you care to explain how someone buying a Schmidt & Bender scope made in Germany and selling for about $2500 impacts the price you pay for a $250 scope? If anything, the sale of cheap scopes made in some third-world country have the effect of driving down scope prices. That's something that would be learned in a basic Econ101 course. I'm afraid what we've got here is a bit of that little green monster -- Envy. While I personally cannot afford a $2500 scope, I certainly don't begrudge someone who can. More power to them.

Don

garrett1955
April 5, 2006, 09:19 AM
looks ok.
but anyhow who the hell cares how it looks. If you can out perform the equip snoobs, with your budget black rifle I would be dang proud! It is always nice to pull some thing out that just a little cheaper and out perform the best.


now get out there and practice:)

Gewehr98
April 5, 2006, 10:05 AM
But, on those clear nights when you're not shooting, you can indeed amortize some of the cost of that rig by counting the rings on Saturn, and scoping out the face of the Moon. I'd take the bolt out, though, so as not to scare the kids and neighbors. ;)

Wanderinwalker, are you running a 1903 Springfield in a benchrest match these days? :eek:

Oh yeah, and you want to make equipment snobs get uppity? Pull out an old iron-sighted 1903A3 and punch groups as good as theirs. And then tell them that their trickled charges, weighed bullets, sorted cases and turned necks aren't needed for 1.5-MOA accuracy.

Those reloading tricks of the trade aren't intended for 1.5 MOA, and if they are, it's to allow a sorry example of a bolt gun to shoot that well in spite of other problems. BTW, I'd love to find a 1903A3 that does 1/10" groups at 200 yards repeatably. I'll even buy that rig, or trade the owner a new Stolle Panda or Nesika Bay for it, because it's worth the weight in gold.

armoredman
April 5, 2006, 10:54 AM
I love shooting my $50 Enfield, and free Mosin, as well as the $150 Yugo SKS, and too heck with anyone who thinks they are too "cheap" to touch - they'll keep runnning LONG after thier uberexpensive tacticool supersniper falls to peices...

JohnBT
April 5, 2006, 02:02 PM
You don't really believe that do you? Expensive guns can last just as long and be just as reliable. And be just as accurate. ;)

Anyway, people really give me funny looks when I pull out a blue & wood Finnfire Hunter .22 with a silver Weaver T-36 mounted on it with one blue ring and one silver ring. I normally use a black T-36, but it has x-hairs and the silver one has a dot reticle (it was a steal, but only available in silver.)

John

wanderinwalker
April 5, 2006, 04:32 PM
Wanderinwalker, are you running a 1903 Springfield in a benchrest match these days?

Those reloading tricks of the trade aren't intended for 1.5 MOA, and if they are, it's to allow a sorry example of a bolt gun to shoot that well in spite of other problems. BTW, I'd love to find a 1903A3 that does 1/10" groups at 200 yards repeatably. I'll even buy that rig, or trade the owner a new Stolle Panda or Nesika Bay for it, because it's worth the weight in gold.

Nope, not at all. I'm a Highpower shooter; don't really care to get beat up at the bench with something like an '03.

I was just commenting on the shooters I've shot against who spend all of their time reloading and very little shooting. One night at our 300-yard prone league I outshot a fellow running a heavy Bushy Varmint AR with my Armalite Service Rifle. He asked me what my load was. I replied "24.5 of Varget and a 69." He said, "Wow!! That's what I use! I trickle the charges, sort my cases and do blah blah blah. How do you do it?" I laughed and said, "Run my progressive if I'm in a hurry, just toss the powder with the LEE measure if I've got some time." He just about fell over from the shock! ;) BTW, his rig wore a Harris bipod and big moonscope, and I shot with irons and a sling.

As for the '03, the same shooter once looked it over and pronounced it had a dark bore. I laid down prone at 100 and put 5 rounds into a nice 1.5" group and said, "Yeah, the bore's a little dark." :p
This was after enduring the lecture of how I should trickle my charges when using H4350 and I really needed to optimize the seating depth of my bullets. (The load is with Winchester primers, LC brass, a 168gr Nosler J4 and H4350. I just seat them as long as the mag will take them and run like I stole it! ;) )

armoredman
April 5, 2006, 04:42 PM
You don't really believe that do you? Expensive guns can last just as long and be just as reliable. And be just as accurate.
Depends on the rifle...I know my milsurps are not as accurate as your AR, but they work all the time in the worst weather, spotty or nonexistant maintenance, etc.:) If they were truely on par with anything out there, PD snipers would be equipped with Mosin 91/30s...kind of an interesting idea...:what:
Well, OK, I would rather have a DSA FAL, but I have not the cash...so I practice with what I have, and get as good as I can with it, for now. :o

whm1974
April 5, 2006, 10:07 PM
Would you care to explain how someone buying a Schmidt & Bender scope made in Germany and selling for about $2500 impacts the price you pay for a $250 scope? If anything, the sale of cheap scopes made in some third-world country have the effect of driving down scope prices. That's something that would be learned in a basic Econ101 course. I'm afraid what we've got here is a bit of that little green monster -- Envy. While I personally cannot afford a $2500 scope, I certainly don't begrudge someone who can. More power to them.


Look at what prices AR-15s and 1911s are going for, WAY TOO MUCH. Manufacters have lost touch with the fact not everyone is a benchrest shooter and is unwilling and/or unable to spend four figures for a gun.

-Bill

Beetle Bailey
April 6, 2006, 01:19 AM
Well, if it will make you feel better, to me, you are the equipment snob! What with your fancy made-in-this-millennium rifle, with your high falutin' optical sight, and your space-age synthetic stock! :neener:

Okay, I am only kidding, but the last rifle I bought cost me $140 OTD (old Mosin Nagant). Enjoy your Savage. All the ones I've shot have been good shooters.

As far as equipment snobs go, to me you are not an equipment snob just because you have expensive guns. Neither are you an equipment snob if you have expensive guns but are out-shot by someone with lower cost equipment. It's when you won't even acknowledge someone just because your gun case cost more than their entire gun. . .

And as far as people buying the really expensive stuff, well, somebody has to keep these custom rifle builders employed and fed so they'll still be around when I save up the cash to get one for myself! ;) (Oh, and believe me, I will shoot the living blazes out of it :D ).

Navy joe
April 6, 2006, 02:14 AM
If it shoots well, don't worry about it. I was about to buy a Barska spotting scope, the tech specs on it looked good. I knew by the price that it was made off-shore, and would have bought it if it was made anywhere but China. Checked the company's corporate page, China, no deal. At least I know where Leupolds are made. That said, I am sure the scope and rifle will perform great. It is refreshing to me that someone with a little time and not much cash can go to a pit like wal-mart and come away with a competent rifle capable of hitting at pretty long range. Only in America.

USSR
April 6, 2006, 07:27 AM
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Would you care to explain how someone buying a Schmidt & Bender scope made in Germany and selling for about $2500 impacts the price you pay for a $250 scope? If anything, the sale of cheap scopes made in some third-world country have the effect of driving down scope prices. That's something that would be learned in a basic Econ101 course. I'm afraid what we've got here is a bit of that little green monster -- Envy. While I personally cannot afford a $2500 scope, I certainly don't begrudge someone who can. More power to them.



Look at what prices AR-15s and 1911s are going for, WAY TOO MUCH. Manufacters have lost touch with the fact not everyone is a benchrest shooter and is unwilling and/or unable to spend four figures for a gun.

-Bill

Bill,

Check the yellow pages to find a local community college where you can enroll in a basic Economics course. I'm sorry, but this is America and we have a free market system. Manufacturer's do not, nor should they, have to justify to the poor what their product sells for. If they try to sell their products at too high of a price and nobody buys them, they will soon go out of business. Rather than complain about items being priced out of your budget, why don't you get an education and/or training that will allow you to increase your earning potential? Sorry to be so blunt, but I get sick of some of the class warfare that seems to go on on this site. Reminds me of the Russians complaining that their neighbor has more cows than them. Stalin had the solution to that problem -- take away everybody's cows.;)

Don

MGKelly
April 6, 2006, 08:49 AM
As the old saying goes; It ain't the weapon, it's the person it's attached to...

The rifle pictured at the beginning of the thread is a nice rifle, I'd be glad to own it! It doesn't matter how much you spend or don't spend if you can't shoot it well. Get out and practice every chance you get and if some one sneers at your rig; you can have have confidence in your ability and the rifle won't matter.

When you look at what the Soviet sniper was equipped with during the German invasion and look at their record, you know it wasn't the rifle it was the shooter's ability to shoot the rifle.

Gewehr98
April 6, 2006, 12:30 PM
The U.S. Army sniper of WWII wasn't exactly running a 8-40x56mm Nightforce w/Lilja barrel, himself. Far from it, it was a 2.5x scope and a 2-groove barrel.

http://mauser98.com/1903a4-3.jpg

But he did alright, and I can keep 5 rounds inside 1" at 100 yards with his same issued rifle, over 50 years later. Take that Savage and practice. You'll do fine.

JohnBT
April 6, 2006, 12:47 PM
"Manufacturer's do not, nor should they, have to justify to the poor what their product sells for."

That reminded me of Arnold Jewell's response when he was asked why his triggers cost so much. "They cost what they cost."

For a number of years I had a few guns that were each worth more than my car.

John

USSR
April 6, 2006, 02:09 PM
For a number of years I had a few guns that were each worth more than my car.

John,

Why, why, that's just plain snobbery.:D Speaking of Arnold Jewell, I've got a couple of his $200 triggers on my rifles and don't plan on repenting.

Don

mustanger98
April 6, 2006, 02:57 PM
I love my M11GL Savage.:D :cool:

50 Freak
April 6, 2006, 03:19 PM
I remember when I was in college, I scrimped and saved till I was able to buy a Remington PSS (when they first came out). Well, I couldn't afford a "real" scope so I put on a cheapie Walmart Tasco scope.

People used to check out the rifle at the range and comment on how it was a shame that I put such a crappy scope on a beautiful rifle. Then they wanted to show me their thousand dollar Leupolds or Swartzskis. Funny how they shut up real quick when I showed them the nice 5 shot cloverleaf groups I was consistantly getting with my rifle and cheap scope.

I kept that scope on for the next 9 years until I finally upgraded to a Zeiss. But that scope sits on my Enfield "sniper" and has never failed me once in litterally thousands of rounds. Best $40 bucks I ever spent.

Stiletto Null
April 6, 2006, 04:41 PM
Hell... you have nothing there to be embarrassed about... Nice rifle, and I haven't heard anything really bad about Barka scopes... yet... I have the Plinker 22 model on my Rem 597, and it's a great scope... haven't had to reajdust it yet... after about 1000 rounds od general plinking... That's good to hear, I'm thinking about getting one for my Romanian '69 trainer rifle. :)

Powderman
April 6, 2006, 11:50 PM
Hey--keep us posted on that Barska, would you?

I'm interested in seeing how well it performs.

GRIFFIN1
April 8, 2006, 10:51 PM
I went to the range today. Lucky for me, there was only one guy there, and he left about 10 minutes after I got there. I wish I could say that I was shooting half inch groups, but the truth is I was getting between 2 and 3 inch groups at 100 yards. I was using the cheapest Remington ammo Bass Pro Shop had, and I was shooting off the bi-pod in the picture above. I can now see why people complain about the stock on the savage rifles. Aiming the gun with the bi-pod on the bench would cause the front of the stock that's attached to the bi-pod to flex all over the place. I remember reading someone complaining about how a bi-pod caused their Savage to go from small groups to big groups. I guess I'll have to buy all that bench rest junk that I see everyone else at the range using.

The Barska scope held up just fine with the 60 shots I fired today. My shoulder was starting to complain at about 40 rounds.

Here are some possible reasons as to why I wasn't shooting .5 MOA.

1. ME. I'm still pretty new to all this shooting stuff. This is the first bolt action rifle that I've fired more than one round with, so I'm probably the limiting factor on this gun.

2. Bi-pod / stock Savage stock. Once I get some benchrest stuff, I should be able to rule out the bi-pod and weak stock.

3. Barska Scope. If I still can't get good groups after putting the gun on a bench rest, then I'll get someone else to shoot it that might have more experience than me. If they can't shoot it, then I'm going to buy a new scope.

I was at the range two weeks ago, and this guy was there shooting his custom target gun. I told him that I wanted to get a bolt action 308 rifle. He looked at me and said, "What are you going to do with that?" My response was that I just wanted to shoot at long range targets.

Today, as I was breaking in my new rifle, the guy that left 10 minutes after I got there asked me, "What caliber is that?" I said it was a 308. Then he said, "What are you going to do with that?" My response was that I was just going to shoot paper.

I got the feeling that both of these guys were worried about me owning a high power long range rifle. I don't really understand why they would act like that. I'm your standard 35 year old guy. I took a bath, shaved, and combed my hair before going to the range today. My ghillie suit was fresh from the cleaners too.

mustanger98
April 9, 2006, 12:23 AM
GRIFFIN1:
I went to the range today. Lucky for me, there was only one guy there, and he left about 10 minutes after I got there. I wish I could say that I was shooting half inch groups, but the truth is I was getting between 2 and 3 inch groups at 100 yards. I was using the cheapest Remington ammo Bass Pro Shop had, and I was shooting off the bi-pod in the picture above. I can now see why people complain about the stock on the savage rifles. Aiming the gun with the bi-pod on the bench would cause the front of the stock that's attached to the bi-pod to flex all over the place. I remember reading someone complaining about how a bi-pod caused their Savage to go from small groups to big groups. I guess I'll have to buy all that bench rest junk that I see everyone else at the range using.

It's been said a lot of times, and it's true, that you really need to try out several brands of ammo and see what your rifle shoots best with. Also, handloading really can give you the best accuracy if you tinker with your formula- bullet weight, seating depth, powder charge weight- and see what weight and speed work best in your rifle. I don't doubt what you're saying about the stock and bi-pod too, but it bears some looking into and not just writing off.

1. ME. I'm still pretty new to all this shooting stuff. This is the first bolt action rifle that I've fired more than one round with, so I'm probably the limiting factor on this gun.

True, and most good rifles shoot better than we ever will, but that's the human factor. If you're breathing, it's gonna create "wobble factor" and increase the group size and size of the "cone of probability".

2. Bi-pod / stock Savage stock. Once I get some benchrest stuff, I should be able to rule out the bi-pod and weak stock.

As I said, it bears looking into. The bi-pod may not be the problem nearly so much as the fore-end of the stock being too flexible. A different stock may well be in order.

3. Barska Scope. If I still can't get good groups after putting the gun on a bench rest, then I'll get someone else to shoot it that might have more experience than me. If they can't shoot it, then I'm going to buy a new scope.

I can't really comment much on optics, but I can see you have to be able to see your crosshairs or sights to be able to hit your target. But you also have to be able to see your target.

I was at the range two weeks ago, and this guy was there shooting his custom target gun. I told him that I wanted to get a bolt action 308 rifle. He looked at me and said, "What are you going to do with that?" My response was that I just wanted to shoot at long range targets.

This sounds hypocritical on that guy's part.

Today, as I was breaking in my new rifle, the guy that left 10 minutes after I got there asked me, "What caliber is that?" I said it was a 308. Then he said, "What are you going to do with that?" My response was that I was just going to shoot paper.

I got the feeling that both of these guys were worried about me owning a high power long range rifle. I don't really understand why they would act like that. I'm your standard 35 year old guy. I took a bath, shaved, and combed my hair before going to the range today. My ghillie suit was fresh from the cleaners too.

I don't know what peoples' problem is about a guy with a new .308 boltgun. Of course, the fact that you "took a bath, shaved, and combed my hair before going to the range today. My ghillie suit was fresh from the cleaners too" might have thrown them a serious curve as everybody knows .308 boltgunners are filthy stinkin' pigs bent on killing any living thing they can see clear out to the face of the moon through their scopes. [/sarcasm] Hey, I dress like a cowboy 24/7 even at the range and I get some strange looks on my choices of weapons too. Don't worry about them.

Stiletto Null
April 9, 2006, 07:53 AM
People look at me funny sometimes because I'm a lanky Chinese kid (college student, 6'3", 145lb :p) who always brings in "that freaking cannon" (M48 or M48A, depending on the day).

*shrug*

F*** 'em, it's a free country.

dm1333
April 9, 2006, 07:31 PM
My Barska 3x12x40 AO Airgun scope is pretty nice, especially when you consider I paid a whopping 35 bucks for it, on sale. I'm curious to see how yours holds up under a lot of recoil.

Stiletto Null
April 9, 2006, 08:01 PM
Oh right...

If it's stupid and ugly but it works, it's neither stupid nor ugly. :D

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