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telewinz
April 20, 2003, 08:19 PM
For $375 I can get an excellent Berreta 92FS with night sights and one hi-capacity magazine.

For about $325 I can get a CZ40 NIB.

The pros and cons just about cancel each other out, even the reloading costs. No other options apply, they are both world class pistols. My decision will be NLT Tuesday this week, please contribute your expert opinion and wisdom to make my decision.

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3 gun
April 20, 2003, 09:55 PM
I voted CZ. Two reasons. I like the 40cal better and I can't hit the broadside of a barn with 3 shots from the inside with a Berreta.

cratz2
April 20, 2003, 10:02 PM
No experience with the CZ40 and plenty with the Beretta and Taurus platform so that's how I voted. The Beretta design is a bit on the large for me to feel comfortable concealing but other than that I have zero faults with the platform in Taurus guise.

e5c03
April 20, 2003, 10:29 PM
While the CZ are a fine weapon, after 7 yrs in the Corp and using my #1 favorite ,,the Colt .45acp,we made the transition to Berretta's,and I did quite well on the national match course firing for the MCCP RP team
SEMPER FI

WhoKnowsWho
April 20, 2003, 10:37 PM
Since the CZ is new and you can get one at the same price later, I voted to jump on the used price for the Beretta.

Since you listed no particular reason for the purchase, I assume it is like my reasons, "because I want it".

boing
April 20, 2003, 10:46 PM
Beretta, because I don't have one and I'd like to familiarize myself with the sidearm of our Armed Forces.

MJRW
April 20, 2003, 11:24 PM
I voted CZ being unfamiliar with clip loaded berettas.

cool45auto
April 21, 2003, 01:00 AM
You need the Beretta!:D

Mike Irwin
April 21, 2003, 01:19 AM
The virtually mint circa 1972 S&W Model 19, 4" barrel, for $299..

:D

New_comer
April 21, 2003, 01:39 AM
If the CZ40 looks anything like the CZ100, I'd take the Beretta.

If it's a 75 variant, then I'm for the CZ.

Good luck! ;)

Skunkabilly
April 21, 2003, 01:56 AM
Can you get carbon fiber grips for the CZ? Well no, I didn't think so :D

Stevie-Ray
April 21, 2003, 02:12 AM
If that Beretta's indeed "excellent" as you say, it's a great deal. I'd opt for that.

firestar
April 21, 2003, 03:23 AM
I have owned both and the Beretta is a much better gun. I think the CZ-40 is a nice gun but it has some problems, the rear sight tends to get loose and even with Lock Tight it won't stay long, I have not found it to be very accurate, it is very snappy even for a .40S&W, no hi-caps, asscesories are hard to come by (grips, mags, holsters), the trigger is gritty and heavy in SA, the trigger is too long for me in DA, the plastic coating they put on it is not very durable and it looks really bad when it scratches or wears, and you really have to reload if you want to save some money. The 9mm can be bought for about as cheap as reloading and there is some surplus stuff on the market also.

Good luck but if it were me, I know which one I would grab. $375 with the hi-cap is not a bad price, the hi-cap would run you about $50 so you are talking $325 for an excellent 92 with night sight, sounds like a winner.

telewinz
April 21, 2003, 08:03 AM
I'm somewhat surprized at the large response for the 92FS, I'd thought its popularity had declined somewhat but it seems their are a lot of "true believers". I kinda shied away from the 92 because of its "looks" but my interest has increased after reading these posts. OK, is there any kind of trick to checking out the '92 for wear and tear unique to it? The slide is tight and the bore looks new. Thanks:)

Berg01
April 21, 2003, 09:06 AM
Of the two, I've shot the 92FS, and it is a good gun that you have to train with to be able to shoot it well.

My preference would be for one of the NIB CZ 75BDs that I've seen in my area for around $349.00, since I have a strong preference for a gun with a decocking lever, as opposed to a manual safety.

Traithe
April 21, 2003, 10:26 AM
I'd go with the Beretta. The hi-cap mag is worth around $50 alone and the night sights are worth around $150-$180 for sight and installation charges. so effectively your getting the base pistol for $175 or so. Also, like others have mentioned, it's the sidearm of the US Military and several police agencies. This means there are all kinds of accessories, spare parts, holsters and other goodies available for it. Not to mention, you should always be able to get the CZ at that price.

sig970
April 21, 2003, 01:57 PM
The Beretta hands down

10-Ring
April 21, 2003, 03:18 PM
I've got 2 Beretta 92's I like them alot. If it's one of the choices, don't waste time checking the polling results, go buy it before someone ele does!

Sean Smith
April 21, 2003, 04:52 PM
CZ.

bigshark14
April 21, 2003, 05:09 PM
I would recommend the 92
I have one, it is a great 9mm

George Hill
April 21, 2003, 05:17 PM
Leaving the two different guns aside...
"with Night sites and hi-cap clip"
For only 50 bucks more, are you kidding? I'd be all over that.

Now, to the guns.
The CZ is a fine handgun, but the Beretta is a much better/higher level handgun. It's a step up from the CZ.

mephisto
April 21, 2003, 05:24 PM
I really like the cz-40. cant say why but it fits well in my hand and it shoots well.

Mephisto:evil:

TheFunnyMan
April 21, 2003, 06:04 PM
Keeping in mind that a member of your family already has a CZ 40, I think the answer is an easy one. As many have stated, the Beretta is a classic whith many addons easy to find. While I enjoy the CZ-40, it is extemely difficuly to find any accessories for it. Since I know you're an American Military Firearms accumilator, why not complete your collection and go for the only major 20th century military firearm your collection is missing.

GlocksRock
April 21, 2003, 06:04 PM
Get the Beretta.

telewinz
April 21, 2003, 06:16 PM
Their is only one way "the funnyman" would know that I have a "close" family member (son) with a CZ40. And he is an ROTC Cadet at Ohio University waiting to try out a '92 (that he's always wanted me to get). Again I am a little shocked over the support for the '92 over the CZ40, Guess I will be calling the guy at work tomorrow. See ya Curt, love. Thank you everyone for your informed advise, Im still interested in comments, yours too Curt.:)

gumshoe4
April 21, 2003, 08:31 PM
Personally, I think these two firearms are roughly equal in quality and reliability. The CZ has a frame-mounted safety while the Beretta has a slide-mounted safety, so your personal druthers may enter into that part of the decision depending upon what you prefer.

What made the difference for me is that I believe that the .40 caliber cartridge unnecessarily batters guns originally designed for the 9mm AND 9mm ammo is cheap and good personal defense 9mm ammo is available virtually everywhere.

Based on the guns you identified, I'd go with the Beretta.

Bob

stretcharmstrong
April 21, 2003, 08:53 PM
I like CZ's but I don't like the CZ 40 much. I voted for the Beretta.

556A2
April 21, 2003, 09:45 PM
If it was the CZ-75 instead of the CZ-40, I'd say flip a coin, but personally I would recommend the Beretta over the CZ-40.

boing
April 22, 2003, 04:33 AM
Again I am a little shocked over the support for the '92 over the CZ40

Well, it's one of those funkified CZ things, though. It's a CZ, yeah, but it's not what most CZ people go Ga-Ga over when they think of CZs. Like the man said, if it was a CZ-75 in 9mm, it would probably be a closer race.

(But I'd still vote Beretta, cuz I already have a CZ-75. :cool: )

jimbo
April 22, 2003, 09:43 AM
Beretta.

Akurat
April 22, 2003, 10:22 AM
Now, would it have been a new CZ75 in .40, I might have thought twice about my answer ;)

You will not regret the 92, I promise.

spankaveli
April 22, 2003, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Berg01
Of the two, I've shot the 92FS, and it is a good gun that you have to train with to be able to shoot it well.

My preference would be for one of the NIB CZ 75BDs that I've seen in my area for around $349.00, since I have a strong preference for a gun with a decocking lever, as opposed to a manual safety.Beretta de-cocks when you put it in safety.

Berg01
April 23, 2003, 05:11 PM
Beretta de-cocks when you put it in safety.

What I meant is that (given a choice) I prefer a gun with a springloaded decocker lever, like the Beretta "G" model, that can be fired in D/A mode once it is decocked, rather than the "FS" with a slide-mounted decocker / safety, whereas you first have to sweep-off the safety on to fire it D/A. Just my preference.

Handy
April 23, 2003, 06:37 PM
Buy the Beretta. Shoot the Beretta. If you regret it, sell the Beretta for a profit and buy the CZ with the proceeds. Compared to retail new pricing, $375 is a steal. The CZ is full retail.

You can't do that one in reverse.



3 Gun, have you considered practicing or lessons?

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