Homeland Security Official Arrested


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PinnedAndRecessed
April 4, 2006, 11:14 PM
MIAMI - The deputy press secretary for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security was arrested Tuesday for using the Internet to seduce what he thought was a teenage girl, authorities said.

Brian J. Doyle, 55, was arrested at his residence in Maryland on charges of use of a computer to seduce a child and transmission of harmful material to a minor. The charges were issued out of Polk County, Fla.

Doyle, of Silver Spring, Md., had a sexually explicit conversation with what he believed was a 14-year-old girl whose profile he saw on the Internet on March 14, the Polk County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

The girl was an undercover Polk County Sheriff's Computer Crimes detective, the sheriff's office said.

Doyle sent the girl pornographic movie clips and had sexually explicit conversations via the Internet, the statement said.

During other online conversations, Doyle revealed his name, that he worked for the Homeland Security Department and offered his office and government issued cell phone numbers, the sheriff's office said.

Doyle also sent photos of himself to the girl, but authorities said they were not sexually explicit.

On several occasions, Doyle instructed her to perform a sexual act while thinking of him and described explicit activities he wanted to have with her, investigators said.

Doyle later had a telephone conversation with an undercover deputy posing as the teenager and encouraged her to purchase a web camera to send graphic images of herself to him, the sheriff's office said.

He was booked into Maryland's Montgomery County jail where he was waiting to be extradited to Florida, the sheriff's office said.

There was no immediate response to messages left on Doyle's government-issued cell phone and his e-mail, and he could not be reached by phone at the jail for comment.

Homeland Security press secretary Russ Knocke in Washington said he could not comment on the details of the investigation. "We take these allegations very seriously, and we will cooperate fully with the ongoing investigation," Knocke said.

Doyle, who is the fourth-ranking official in the department's public affairs office, was expected to be placed on administrative leave Wednesday morning.



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PinnedAndRecessed
April 4, 2006, 11:16 PM
Jerk.

If he's guilty, of course.

Standing Wolf
April 4, 2006, 11:35 PM
The girl was an undercover Polk County Sheriff's Computer Crimes detective, the sheriff's office said.

Miles past dumb.

Sindawe
April 5, 2006, 12:11 AM
Miles past dumb.On the Internet, no one knows you're a cop. :D

My High School locker partner and former coworker in the Bloodmines of Boulder got popped in a similar sting a couple of months ago. While hitting on a nubile young thing is way cool when you're 14, its way icky when you're 40. :barf:

4v50 Gary
April 5, 2006, 12:15 AM
We can all sleep better knowing that our families & homes are safe under the watchful eye of Homeland Security. :uhoh:

Headless Thompson Gunner
April 5, 2006, 12:26 AM
Not only did he try to grab some underage girl off the net, but he used his real name and Homeland Security office and cell phone numbers.

How many other astronomically stupid dirtbags do we have working for us in Homeland Security?



Nah... This can't be.

Nobody is really that stupid, right?

It's gotta be set up or something, right?

Right...?

:uhoh:

Manedwolf
April 5, 2006, 12:30 AM
Glad he got caught. If he's guilty, I hope he goes to a REAL prison to become someone's special friend. I still have the rather un-PC opinion that the best "treatment" for pedophiles is best delivered in a caliber 9mm or higher. Before they take away some kid's childhood.

Scary to think this is what's supposed to be helping keep us safe, though. :barf:

Autolycus
April 5, 2006, 12:38 AM
Well well well...

Apparently any anti-gunner who says we should just rely on the police to protect us only has to read this thread. And this one:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=193264

Ryder
April 5, 2006, 12:39 AM
Again? They just busted one of those guys on TV not long ago for more or less the same thing (it wasn't a girl). Haven't they had enough time since creation of the agency to dream up things for them to do and stay out of trouble? What do these agents do? Was creation of this agency just a feel good publicity stunt like gun control? I have never crossed paths with one. Sounds like that's probably a good thing.

Clean97GTI
April 5, 2006, 01:29 AM
If we discovered that they used data from their job, I would absolutely wet my pants with laughter.

Then I would feel a little sick.

horge
April 5, 2006, 01:47 AM
If we discovered that they used data from their job, I would absolutely wet my pants with laughter.
Then I would feel a little sick.

Hi.
I'm not sure I understand your comment: but then I'm not from there.
Your Dept. of Homeland Security has possession of what sort of data, exactly?
Is it of an extent that would allow a predator to locate a potential victim?
On the net? Just asking.

Thanks.

ElTacoGrande
April 5, 2006, 01:50 AM
Your Dept. of Homeland Security has posession of what sort of info, exactly?

Horge, the way things are set up now, the DHS has access to just about any information that is available anywhere. They have been given, both in law and in practice, authority to do whatever they "need" to do to protect homeland security. It sounds like this guy was in more of a PR position than an operational position. I wonder how much access he had. I'm pretty sure that guys who are in operational positions can get just about ANYTHING. All for our safety.

My question is always, who is protecting us from the protectors?

The RKBA: Now more than ever.

longeyes
April 5, 2006, 02:06 AM
"Homeland Security" is now a pick-up line? This has all the twisted kinkiness of Germany in the '30s.

Legion1776
April 5, 2006, 02:24 AM
"Homeland Security" is now a pick-up line? This has all the twisted kinkiness of Germany in the '30s.


LOL. It does.

Clean97GTI
April 5, 2006, 03:16 AM
Horge,
The DHS (Dept. Homeland Security) has access to vast amounts of personal data on US Citizens and people living in the USA. The man in question may not have gotten info on the "girl" he was talking to from his duties, but it may not be out of the question that he could get it.

LAK
April 5, 2006, 05:52 AM
Ah yes, one of the now millions of men of steel whom we can be certain will not abuse their powers.

It does seem though that if he was not set up and framed, he is extremely dumb.

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Michigander
April 5, 2006, 06:09 AM
Homeland = Fatherland

Don't Tread On Me
April 5, 2006, 06:40 AM
Ah yes, more (do we really need more) examples of the sickness and corruption that exists in government.


Why do some people insist on holding authorities in a higher regard? As if they are morally superior, have higher ethics, or respect for the law and decency?



Folks, THESE are the people that run this nation. These are the (types) people that make laws, policies and decisions.


This is why freedom is almost dead.

Declaration Day
April 5, 2006, 07:57 AM
Why do some people insist on holding authorities in a higher regard? As if they are morally superior, have higher ethics, or respect for the law and decency?

I don't hold authorities in a higher regard. I DO hold them to higher standards of conduct and think that they should face stiffer penalties for certain crimes.

Keaner
April 5, 2006, 08:54 AM
Ah, the Internet:

Where Men are Men,
Boys are Boys,
And 14 year old Girls are FBI Agents!

beerslurpy
April 5, 2006, 09:04 AM
What is ironic is that actual 14 year old girls dont appear to be soliciting sex on the internet and getting picked up by pedophiles. Rather, FBI agents appear to be soliciting sex with adults and inducing them to cross state lines for sex.

I cant say this for sure, but I am 90 percent sure I was agressively solicited by a 13 year old female FBI agent a few years ago. I told her she should be studying instead of having sex. But many men have been caught by this technique.

My point is that the FBI isnt really fixing a problem, it is more like they are using a perception of a problem as an excuse to create criminals. Real pedophiles (around here at least) appear to be molesting relatives and neighbors rather than people online, which is definitely not a problem for federal police. Also, any pedophile sophisticated enough to go online is probably sophisticated enough to know better than to think that the person on the other end of the line is really who they say they are.

HankB
April 5, 2006, 09:10 AM
If the story pans out, it sounds like the guy wanted to do to a youngster what the rest of the government is doing to the USA . . .

1940: "Von't you pleaze kommenzie mit me, Fraulein . . . I vork vor der Geheime Staatspolize, und I vill show you a gut time mit der schnapps und der muzik und den . . . "

2006: "Why don't you come with me little girl, I work for The Department of Homeland Security, and . . . "

Not only did he try to grab some underage girl off the net, but he used his real name and Homeland Security office and cell phone numbers. How many other astronomically stupid dirtbags do we have working for us in Homeland Security?I'm afraid t's not just in Homeland Security . . . :(

foghornl
April 5, 2006, 09:16 AM
And still, a lot of the Looney Left doesn't understand why many of us mistrust "The Gubmint"...

"Who Will Guard The Guards?"...as in if these are the people who are supposed to be making us safe and secure, what are they REALLY doing???

Other than surfing for porn and kiddies

dpesec
April 5, 2006, 09:33 AM
Beer, that almost sounds like entrapment.

Old Dog
April 5, 2006, 11:24 AM
Geez, guys, the moron was just a deputy press secretary in the public affairs department ... no doubt some former journalist whose job was simply to edit news releases for DHS. These perverts are all over; you want to make statements such as
And still, a lot of the Looney Left doen't understand why many of us mistrust "The Guvmint"...you don't understand the real problem. Internet porn solicitation has nothing to do with why we shouldn't trust the government. These perverts exist in all levels and all occupations in our society, not just government agencies. Why make this into a cause celebre against DHS when there are legitimate reasons to question the agency?

John Hicks
April 5, 2006, 12:04 PM
While I find his actions reprehensible (if true), I don't fault DHS for it.

Extrapolating the failures and problems of one person to an entire group is what the anti-gunners try to do to us. We should be above that.

DHS has its own problems, aside from hiring this idiot.

jh

Master Blaster
April 5, 2006, 12:19 PM
"I did not have SEX with THAT WOMAN"

Yeah we had some guy in the Oval office who liked the young girls as well, a subordinate at that. All that power just goes right to your head to your head.

Malone LaVeigh
April 5, 2006, 02:26 PM
OK the guy's probably scum, but does anyone have a problem with the fact that he's been charged with two counts that he couldn't possibly have committed?

Brian J. Doyle, 55, was arrested at his residence in Maryland on charges of use of a computer to seduce a child and transmission of harmful material to a minor. The charges were issued out of Polk County, Fla.

He couldn't have seduced a child or transmitted "harmful material" (whatever that is) to a minor because he was communicating with an FBI agent. Since when is it illegal to want to break the law?

garyk/nm
April 5, 2006, 02:43 PM
Intent, Malone, intent. That it got intercepted by an adult does not excuse him.

Camp David
April 5, 2006, 02:53 PM
"...The girl was an undercover Polk County Sheriff's Computer Crimes detective, the sheriff's office said..."

While I don't excuse this Homeland Security guy, it sure seems that more and more local Sheriff and state LEOs are prowling on-line... Some of this supervision is needed, I am sure, but what actual police duty is being neglected while police surf the net?

=> An additional question is jurisdiction and I am surprised nobody has yet raised it... a Sheriff posing as a teenager on-line is more than likely out of his/her jurisdiction as well as baiting potential law-breakers... I sense that one of these cases is going to the Supreme Court soon...

Sgt Stevo
April 5, 2006, 03:15 PM
I dont care if if it was neighborhod watch mom in canada, who turns this piece of human pond scum into the FBI.

I have little girl. Something has to be done to take down these inhuman pervert, waste of air, maggot infested, evil scroutbags.

I dont really dig the gov. I worked for them most my life. But this is a good use of gov money.

Find them , bust them, put there on TV, and put them in the general population in the worst prison you can muster up.

Then ,,,Mabe these freak of nature types will think twice...............:cuss:

Zedicus
April 5, 2006, 07:26 PM
If found guilty, this slimeball deserves to be hung from the highest tree by his nuts! :fire:

garyk/nm
April 5, 2006, 07:53 PM
If found guilty, this slimeball deserves to be hung from the highest tree by his nuts!
While not exactly High Road, I wholeheartedly agree.

Erebus
April 5, 2006, 08:03 PM
OK the guy's probably scum, but does anyone have a problem with the fact that he's been charged with two counts that he couldn't possibly have committed?

If it had been a real 13 year old girl and her mother had intercepted the pics prior to the girl seeing them would you say no crime was committed?

Should a prostitute or a John caught in a sting not be charged with anything?

A drug dealer that sells to an undercover cop?

Someone who thinks they are hiring a hitman but really dealing with an LEO?

Are all these people innocent because the people they were dealing with were not who they thought and wouldn't do what they were requesting?

mrmeval
April 5, 2006, 08:22 PM
As best I can tell from the article it's all an electronic fantasy.

There has to be a physical act on the part of the alleged perpetrator. Something to indicate they actually performed the acts on the computer.

Because of the ability to easily forge things that are electronic you need that.

If there were an araingment to meet. And he went. That might be enough but he'd actually have to meet with a 13 year old or someone who could fake it and get get them to acknowledge what they were there for.

Sending something via mail with prints on it could be acceptable.

The cost of setting someone up like that would be expensive, so Occams Razor should apply for us mere mortals.

grimjaw
April 5, 2006, 08:26 PM
If this was reminiscent of the 'Fatherland,' then it's likely the guy would never have been apprehended, much less prosecuted. So that's one plus. We have powerful people trip, fall, and get caught on a regular basis and they end up going to prison for it. Tom Delay might be the latest.

This DHS person was just a press secretary, and probably not responsible for investigation or enforcement.

Too bad they couldn't do as good a job on the white-gloved one, currently living (exiled) in Bahrain.

jmm

Hawkmoon
April 5, 2006, 11:37 PM
What is ironic is that actual 14 year old girls dont appear to be soliciting sex on the internet and getting picked up by pedophiles. Rather, FBI agents appear to be soliciting sex with adults and inducing them to cross state lines for sex.
That's not completely true. A couple of years ago I read about a 13-year old girl in (IIRC) Danbury, CT, who met a "older man" (late 20's? 30's?) on the Internet, then started meeting him for sex. He was real, she was real -- and then she was dead, because he strangled her and dumped the body.

I'm not certain, but my recollection is that he was also an illegal alien. Anybody remember that case?

[Edit]Found a link

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/23/60II/main523017.shtml

It says he was Brazilian, but it doesn't say he was illegal. Also doesn't say he wasn't.

Don Gwinn
April 6, 2006, 12:15 AM
I'm not sure what the civil liberties content is here. . . except the one or two posters who seem to think that this poor innocent guy didn't really intend to commit statutory rape. :rolleyes:
Entrapment is when the authorities talk someone into doing something they wouldn't otherwise do. When an agent pretends to be a 14 year old girl, and the subject arranges to travel across state lines with the stated intention of having sex with the "girl," he has not been entrapped.

Stetson_CO
April 6, 2006, 11:44 AM
www.perverted-justice.com has 47 convictions this year for this type of offense.

There is precedent and until the full chat log is released we don't know who messaged who first. But if you want an eye-opener, crate an dunderaged Yahoo ID, go into a chat room and just wait. Don't type anything but time it and see how long it takes to be solicited for sex


c):{

Thin Black Line
April 6, 2006, 01:26 PM
Real pedophiles (around here at least) appear to be molesting relatives and neighbors rather than people online, which is definitely not a problem for federal police.

+1. I've been investigating these for about 15 years now (just did an
alleged victim interview yesterday). I can tell you that convictions,
even arrests, are hard to get without some very strong evidence. I
would imagine the FBI probably has a good case against this guy.

That said (yeah, anyone who reads my posts knew this was coming),
I find it interesting how fast this guy was arrested compared to the
perps against the teenager who testified on Capitol Hill a couple days
ago about how he was enticed by online predators, even molested by
some in person. He later turned over 1500 (yes, that's two 0's) names
to LE of people who contacted him over the last 5 years and there
has been ONE arrest to date. Likewise, I've seen some rather slow
responses myself to local cases --not the fed's fault, but the local LE.
I've also seen juries...well, I'm not going to get into spineless people
who don't have the guts to make the really tough decisions.

But, hey, I'm glad the one at DHS was arrested!

seeker_two
April 6, 2006, 06:38 PM
I wonder if he'll get any Federal charges (esp. using gov't property for criminal activity i.e. work computer & cell phone) tacked onto the sex charges?... :scrutiny:

MechAg94
April 6, 2006, 07:22 PM
Stetson, I feel disgusted just thinking about what you described. Better to know about it though. I am tempted to try it, but I think I would rather not.

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