Internet Registry of Meth Cooks?


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Jeff White
April 6, 2006, 12:47 AM
Perhaps it would just be easier to put all criminal history files on the internet.....
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/metroeast/story/F6DCB0AAAB967BD586257147004FE974?OpenDocument
Governor gets meth registry bill
By Leah Thorsen
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
04/05/2006

Those convicted of cooking methamphetamine in Illinois soon will face a penalty dealt to sex offenders - being listed on an Internet registry.

A bill to create the Methamphetamine Manufacturer Registry passed the House unanimously on Monday after being passed in the Senate in February, also without a dissenting vote.

The governor plans to sign the bill into law, a spokeswoman said Tuesday.

Such a registry would be among the first in the nation. Tennessee was the first to post an online meth database, and Oklahoma is considering one, according to published reports.

Tennessee's registry was launched in mid-December and lists the names of those convicted of meth-manufacturing crimes after March 30, 2005, said Jennifer Johnson, a spokeswoman for the state's Bureau of Investigation.

People can search by the county of the offense or by the offender's last name and first initial.

The proposed Illinois registry would be limited to those convicted of manufacturing meth, and would not include those convicted of only possessing the drug, said Rep. Roger Eddy, R-Hutsonville, one of the bill's sponsors.

Information including the offender's name, date of birth, crime and county where the crime was committed would be listed on the Web site. The legislation does not indicate whether photos would be posted.

Under the legislation, circuit clerks would be required to forward information about meth-manufacturing convictions to the Illinois State Police, who would be charged with maintaining the registry.

Larry Trent, director of the State Police, said Tuesday that staffing issues may make it difficult to maintain the registry but that he had not thoroughly examined whether that could be a problem.

Privacy issues also could arise, as they have with registries listing personal information about sex offenders.

Said Eddy: "I would much rather err on the side of public safety."

Eddy said the risk posed by meth is widespread and that people should know if meth cooks are living near them.

"We have sex offender registries to warn parents of the potential danger," he said. "This is just as dangerous."

The registry also could include addresses of where meth labs have been found to help people deciding where to rent a place to live, he said.

In the Metro East area, roughly half of all the meth labs busted by the Methamphetamine Response Team are rental properties, said Sgt. Joe Beliveau of the team.

Since being formed in May, the team of Illinois State Police officers devoted solely to investigating meth-related crimes has responded to roughly 180 labs and has made about 200 arrests in a 10-county area.

Beliveau said meth cooks can damage property and put their neighbors at risk.

Last week near Columbia, meth cooks started a fire in the kitchen of a rental home while trying to destroy evidence, he said.

"They're not thinking rationally and they're not concerned with the kids living next door," Beliveau said.

He said a registry of convicted meth cooks would be useful because so many are repeat offenders.

lthorsen@post-dispatch.com 618-659-3640

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Maxwell
April 6, 2006, 01:13 AM
At least now I'll know who to go to when I need a fix @_@


...seriously tho, not all criminals need free advertising for their deeds.
If they have no constitutional rights once convicted then just leave them in jail, hang em or escourt them out the country. I dont think we should be picking and choosing with the bill of rights, have all or have none.

Telling me "we couldnt lock him up but we'll put his name on the internet to warn you!" does not help.

mordechaianiliewicz
April 6, 2006, 01:24 AM
This is the dumbest idea ever!!! No one wants their children to be molested!

A whole lot of people want to take drugs

Offering tax payer assured marketing and advertisement is a very bad idea.

sm
April 6, 2006, 01:36 AM
Perhaps it would just be easier to put all criminal history files on the internet.....

Mr. White,

I agree with your sentiments. Along the same lines may I ask just what has been any result of Internet databases of Sex Offenders?

My concern with putting all criminal history files on the internet is :

1) Matter of Control, too easily used by Tyranny.

2) Leading to gun control and abuse further of our Rights.

Please forgive me for referencing our Sister Site TFL, I feel this thread is by Antipitas is not only related, just too important to not be read by members here that have not seen it.

Meth, Sudafed and Gun Laws (Part II)
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=204305

My concerns with Database?

North Little Rock First To Test Meth Deterrent

http://www.kthv.com/news/search/resu...?storyid=24729

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Just as if one might be wrongfully / mistakeningly put on a Sex offender Database for touching a child without permission - as some jurisprudence may define - which if an adult grabbed the arm of a child without persmission to pull them out of the path of a motor vehicle 'technically' would fall under this definition.

What if a Parent bought Sudaphed, only though the Drug store only had one box left - snotty nose season with kids... so down the street buys another one or "up to the limit" of said jurisdiction (whatever applicable) and - however it happens, the incorrect amount is entered at either drug store.

RED Flagged, and now 'technically' defined under jurisprudence is now put onto a Internet Meth List.

This opening the door just a wee bit could also lead to the database being used to make note if a person buys Sudaphed, a box of kitchen matches, Lantern fuel for a Lantern, cookstove...The database does not know if the person is a Meth cooker, or someone with sinus woes getting ready to go camping for the weekend.

Antipitas in my opinion is correct in regard to how these mindsets , laws, and abuse could simply be used for Gun Control or any control of our Rights.

The Computer does not know, one writes the program, enters data, output is what the program is designed to output.

Regards,

Steve

Jeff White
April 6, 2006, 02:02 AM
Steve,
I was being sarcastic. I think this is a dumb idea and I don't see how it will do anything to help. I was merely commenting on the fact that our legislators in their haste to be seen as doing something, are coming up with this stupidity. I can think of some other really stupid laws I've come across lately, but that's a topic for a different thread.

Jeff

sm
April 6, 2006, 02:16 AM
...legislators in their haste to be seen as doing something, are coming up with this stupidity...

Mr. White,

I understand being sarcastic *grin*

We are on the same page, the snip quoted from your post - is exactly what goes on , be it Meth, Sexual Offenders, Evil Black rifles, .50 cal...etc.

I know, let us blame FEMA...NOLA is. ;)

ElTacoGrande
April 6, 2006, 02:37 AM
Yeah, this is free advertising for meth suppliers. I'm only in favor of it if they give a percentage of sales back to the state for providing this service!

Maxwell
April 6, 2006, 03:02 AM
I'm only in favor of it if they give a percentage of sales back to the state for providing this service!

:uhoh: :evil: x :scrutiny: = :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Optical Serenity
April 6, 2006, 03:06 AM
How about the death penalty for those found cooking meth? :)

JMusic
April 6, 2006, 09:32 AM
OK I'll take an alternate view here. Jeff when you take in the toxic fume issue for the neiborhood is it such a dumb idea? How about the person that wants to rent or buy the house next? Maybe it should not be so easy to access but having them in a register that can be accessed for a legitiment reason is not IMHO that bad.
Jim

Maxwell
April 6, 2006, 10:09 AM
How many of us have actually read the sex offender lists?
How many are going to keep reading the meth-criminal list every week, or go about running background checks on all of our neighbors?
How many can even name every person living within a 5 mile radius?

Failing to lock a dangerous criminal behind bars while quietly posting his name on a website does not help me!. At that, people still have a right to privacy and a sometimes also second chance in life.

If you feel the system does not punish them enough, increase the punishment.
Ignoring the constitution for a smidgen more security is something thats bound to backfire in the long run.

merk
April 6, 2006, 10:16 AM
Not like you cant spot them from a mile away anyways.

Those suckers stink man.

Soybomb
April 6, 2006, 03:09 PM
I think we should do this for prostitution too. Post pictures of the girls and list where they're commonly found. I bet it will shame them into quitting. :evil:

mp510
April 6, 2006, 03:17 PM
Lock these meth freaks up, but don't make a registry of them. Doing that, will tell people where to go to get their meth. Anyhow, I generally support making court records (criminal, civil, warrants, etc...) accessible over the internet. Just, I don't think this is a good idea. Sorta says "GET METH HERE"

exar
April 6, 2006, 03:44 PM
I think we should do this for prostitution too. Post pictures of the girls and list where they're commonly found. I bet it will shame them into quitting.
HAHAHA, that sounds like great idea!!:D

pax
April 6, 2006, 03:48 PM
Soybomb,

You get the prize for funniest post this week! :D :D

pax

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