Firefighter Indicted On 19 More Firearm Charges


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gunsmith
April 6, 2006, 04:05 AM
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AP) DENVER A Denver firefighter already facing charges for allegedly selling illegal machine guns was indicted on 19 additional counts of illegal firearm sales.

Stan Ford, 36, was indicted Tuesday for dealing in firearms without a license, dating back to 2001, according to court documents that were made public Wednesday.

He is accused of selling .22 caliber revolvers, a .380 caliber pistol, a 12-gauge shotgun and other weapons, the indictment states.

When Ford was arrested on the original machine gun charges in November, the arrest affidavit described him as having anti-U.S. sympathies and ties to an unnamed domestic terrorist organization.

Ford's attorney, Will Hood, has denied those allegations.

Last month Hood tried to get statements Ford made to the FBI thrown out because he claims they were coerced, but the judge denied the request.

Ford faces up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine for each of the new counts if convicted.

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Cosmoline
April 6, 2006, 04:08 AM
Yet another example of sloppy, slap-dash reporting. Who can tell what's going on.

Autolycus
April 6, 2006, 04:09 AM
Why don't they ever tell you what domestic terror organization? I will bet dollars to donuts it is the NRA.:rolleyes: This kind of horsehockey makes me sick. Pehaps we can use this to start reapealing the infringments on our rights.

Henry Bowman
April 6, 2006, 11:02 AM
described him as having anti-U.S. sympathies Must be a Democrat. ;)

molonlabe
April 6, 2006, 11:35 AM
This may be true but selling a converted semi auto to full auto to an undercover agent is bad ju ju.




Trying to douse terror label
BACKGROUND | Stan Ford was arrested for alleged illegal gun sales. But the firefighter argues he's not a domestic terrorist, as a federal task force has claimed.
By Alicia Caldwell
Denver Post Staff Writer





"My friends are firefighters and cops. That's my community. That's my family." Stan Ford (Post / Karl Gehring)

Gun shows were his passion. The foundation of his 70-plus gun collection was competition weapons inherited from his grandmother. And he strongly opposes illegal immigration.

All of this Stan Ford admits. But he is offended that federal investigators are trying to make him out to be a domestic terrorist or subversive.

In an hour-long interview, Ford, a suspended Denver firefighter, spoke about what he says are outrageous allegations that he has sympathies with hate groups or others who would overthrow the government of the United States.

"This kind of insanity wouldn't have happened if 9/11 didn't happen," he said. "I think this is a sign of things to come."

Ford, who is facing federal charges of selling illegal, fully automatic machine guns, agreed to be interviewed with the understanding that he would not speak about facts of the alleged illegal gun sales.

Ford, 35, a seven-year veteran of the Fire Department, answered vehemently when asked if he was a "domestic terrorist."

"Hell, no," he said.

Ford said he belonged to a community of firefighters and police officers, many of whom socialize at gun shows, firing ranges and designated shooting areas in national forests.

He talked about some of his pristine, collectible guns as "unfired examples of history." He spoke of his politics - Republican. And he said he doesn't support the U.S. war in Iraq.

"If I don't believe in the war, does that make me an anti-U.S. person?" he asked. "I love my country. We are the greatest country in the world."

Ford was arrested Nov. 22 and charged with two counts of illegally selling a fully automatic machine gun.

The transactions began when Ford met a man who was an FBI informant in February 2004 at the Tanner Gun Show at the Denver Merchandise Mart, according to arrest records.

After several conversations and meetings, Ford in April 2005 sold the man a machine gun illegally modified to make it automatic, records show. Ford is accused of selling another fully automatic machine gun to the informant in August 2005.

In the affidavit for his arrest, a member of the Joint Terrorism Task Force wrote that the FBI had obtained

Denver firefighter Stan Ford has been charged in illegal weapons sales. The affidavit for his arrest also says he "holds anti-U.S. sympathies." Ford refutes this: "I love my country. We're the greatest country in the world." (Post / Karl Gehring)

information from the El Paso County Sheriff's Office in 2003 that implicated Ford.

"Stan Ford was described as a Denver firefighter who holds anti-U.S. sympathies and has ties to an unknown domestic terrorist organization," according to the affidavit.

Ford said prosecutors have never offered any proof of those allegations.

"I don't even know anybody of that kind of caliber," Ford said. "My friends are firefighters and cops. That's my community. That's my family."

While the allegation that Ford has anti-U.S. sympathies is in his arrest paperwork, it doesn't form the basis of any charges against him. Federal prosecutors are pursuing only weapons charges and declined to comment about the case.

"We'll litigate this in the courts," said William Taylor, chief of the major-crimes section at the Colorado U.S. attorney's office.

In hearings, prosecutors have introduced transcripts of recorded conversations in which Ford talked about illegal immigration.

He said, "People should be hunting down these people," according to a transcript.

In an interview Friday, Ford




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said he has been allowed to see only a portion of the transcript so he can't be sure of the context. But he said he thinks he was talking about the illegal immigrant who is alleged to have shot and killed Denver police Detective Donnie Young in May 2005.
"I take it pretty personal that they can kill a cop and run across the border," Ford said. "That doesn't make me a racist."

Raul Gomez-Garcia was extradited from Mexico to the U.S. in December to face murder charges.

Ford also spoke about how he became immersed in gun culture. He said he grew up outside Colorado Springs and learned gun safety from his mother. His grandfather was a hunter.

His collection began with his grandfather's 1897 12-gauge shotgun and his grandmother's competition rifles.

Ford was a member of Regis High School's shooting team but didn't start serious collecting until after college. In 15 years, he acquired more than 70 guns, many of them small-caliber weapons or collectibles.

Gun shows, he said, were like yard sales - places to find treasures.

He described with glee the time he found a Walther PPK, a small pistol used by movie character James Bond. The gun's serial number ended in "007," which is the code number for the fictional British secret agent.

"What a cool thing to put in my collection," he said.

When authorities searched Ford's home, along with his gun collection they found an estimated 40,000 rounds of ammunition, prosecutors said at a recent hearing.

Ford said he liked to shoot small-caliber guns, such as .22-calibers, at legally designated areas.

In explaining why he had so much ammunition, he said he would routinely use 500 to 1,000 rounds in two to three hours, shooting at cans and other targets.

Ford, whose trial is set for April 17, said that regardless of what happens, his life will never be the same.

He said he has received hundreds of calls of support, and he's grateful for them. People who know him would never believe he has ties to any subversive group, he said.

But for others, the label of "domestic terrorist" will be a difficult one to explain.

"I've worked 35 years to build my relationship in this community," Ford said. "It will take away the things I've worked so hard to achieve."

Staff writer Alicia Caldwell can be reached at 303-820-1930 or acaldwell@denverpost.com

Augustwest
April 6, 2006, 11:40 AM
One wonders if his sympathies are "anti-U.S." or anti-U.S. Government. I think a distinction can be made between the two...

Zundfolge
April 6, 2006, 11:41 AM
Gun shows were his passion. The foundation of his 70-plus gun collection was competition weapons inherited from his grandmother. And he strongly opposes illegal immigration.

What the hell does one have to do with the other? Talk about yellow journalism! :rolleyes:


I hate to be all "tin foil hatty" but this guy sounds like he's being set up as some sort of patsy, or this is the first step toward applying the "terrorist" moniker to any member of the "gun culture".


Sounds like he could be any one of us here in this forum (with the exception of the stupidity of selling a machine gun bit).

TexasRifleman
April 6, 2006, 11:52 AM
with the exception of the stupidity of selling a machine gun bit

And that one little bit makes all the difference doesn't it?

After that anything he says or does will be fair game for the spin the media wants to put on the thing.

TheEgg
April 6, 2006, 11:56 AM
While the allegation that Ford has anti-U.S. sympathies is in his arrest paperwork, it doesn't form the basis of any charges against him.

Red-meat. Put it in the paperwork and make sure it gets into the media to demonize the defendant, make it easier to get a jury inclined to convict him. Standard prosecutorial conduct in a lot of places.

Hutch
April 6, 2006, 12:09 PM
One wonders what sort of machine gun this guy sold. Y'know, in some places, semi-auto firearms that look scary are routinely described as machine guns.

merk
April 6, 2006, 12:14 PM
"Hell(,) no," he said.

Thats quite a strategically placed comma if you ask me.

LAR-15
April 6, 2006, 12:34 PM
He's going to get 5 years for an illegal machinegun?

Silly me, I thought it was 10? :confused:

Otherguy Overby
April 6, 2006, 12:37 PM
Hutch:
One wonders what sort of machine gun this guy sold. Y'know, in some places, semi-auto firearms that look scary are routinely described as machine guns.

Maybe the buyer had lace up boots.

After all the ATF in all it's "wisdom" has declared a semi auto rifle and a shoe lace a "machine gun."

Baron Holbach4
April 6, 2006, 12:45 PM
All the more reason to repeal the NFA and the 1968 Gun Control Act.

crazed_ss
April 6, 2006, 02:25 PM
If he was selling illegal machineguns, then he's in trouble regardless of his political views..Being such a firearms enthusiast, he should know better.. That's day one stuff. Maybe he doesnt agree with the law, but that doesnt mean you can just break it when you feel like. If you do, expect consequences.

1 old 0311
April 6, 2006, 02:45 PM
They talk about 'machine guns' but mention a .22 REVOLVER, A .380, AND A 12 GUAGE. Bet they were tough to convert.:evil: :evil: :evil:

Kevin

mordechaianiliewicz
April 6, 2006, 09:25 PM
This is probably the work of Denver city gov working with the feds. This is insane! They will try to get all of us.

He is a very Conservative man, who owns legal stuff, (arguably, probably I would bet a pre-ban AR was sold), and happens to dislike illegal immigration.

I would bet the extremist group is GOA, JPFO, or the Minutemen. Ooooh, scary. Yeah, civil rights groups=domestic terrorists.

Maybe if the federal government would try to defend our borders instead of shake down decorated firemen, we wouldn't have immigration problems.

<Sorry folks, sometimes I just gotta let out a rant when I see something this eggregious>

Standing Wolf
April 6, 2006, 09:58 PM
After several conversations and meetings, Ford in April 2005 sold the man a machine gun illegally modified to make it automatic, records show.

Reason number 53,821 I don't subscribe to any of the Denver "news" papers.

molonlabe
April 7, 2006, 09:08 AM
Maybe he sold one of these.:D

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/3777/stringtrick1ev.jpg

http://www.jpfo.org/shoestring.jpg

THE DRILL INSTRUCTOR
April 7, 2006, 12:38 PM
Hey I should try that....

No way! I don't want to get smacked in the face with my own weapon!
Is that really classified as an automatic weapon? To me it seems closer to those cranks you can mount on semiauto .22s.

Back on topic...

I think we really need to know if this involves an actual fully-automatic weapon or if it involves a so called 'assault weapon' that wasn't sold through the proper channels (i.e. no FFL, no documentation, etc.)

molonlabe
April 7, 2006, 01:15 PM
Yep, read the link below the photo for the response from the BATFE

Autolycus
April 8, 2006, 10:29 PM
If it was a shoestring, I still would not be suprised with todays state of affairs. We have a government gone overboard with an abuse of power.

manhattan23
April 9, 2006, 02:57 AM
Unless the shoe string made the rifle fire more than 1 shot per action of the trigger, its not a machine gun.

I don't see how an external -trigger mounted, modification changes the internal function of the rifle.

Those spring type bump fire doohickeys(mounted to trigger) are legal.
The staple in the FCG of a Mini 14 makes it fire with the pull and release of a trigger and is perfectly legal.

-M

c_yeager
April 9, 2006, 02:50 PM
When Ford was arrested on the original machine gun charges in November, the arrest affidavit described him as having anti-U.S. sympathies and ties to an unnamed domestic terrorist organization.

So we're actually arresting sympathizers and members of "unnamed organizations" again. I wonder if they bothered printing new indictments or if they just scrounged up some old ones and replaced "communist" with "terrorist".

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