feedback...looking to get .45acp under $600


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kmrcstintn
April 6, 2006, 10:05 PM
When I get a new job and get some $$$ built up, I will be looking for a good, reliable, rugged, accurate, and well supported (warranty, magazine availability, holster availability, etc) semiauto handgun for under $600 NIB or $500 in excellent used condition.

NOT a CCW piece...HOME DEFENSE (apartment), VEHICLE, and RANGE GUN...
I am putting all biases and dislikes aside for this one. Please state your recommendation(s) and why. Thank you for your input...just remember $600 for NIB and $500 for excellent used.

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salthouse
April 6, 2006, 10:19 PM
Ruger P90. You'll even have plenty of $$$ left over for ammo.

cslinger
April 6, 2006, 10:25 PM
Ruger P97 (More comfortable then the P90)
Ruger P345 (More comfortable then the P97 but has a wind sail for a loaded chamber indicator)

Possibly a CPO SIG P220, check out CDNN investments, download their flyer.

XD45 (Been hearing good things about this one and I loved my HS2000)

Glock 21 (BIG gun but lots of big bullets in a very reliable package)

There are a few.

Darkker
April 7, 2006, 12:18 AM
Buy a Springfield 1911. Either the mil-spec, or GI series. Despite what the snobs tell you. Even the ones that have made in Brazil stamped on them are great guns.
1911 parts and reliability. 45 power. Springfield has a rebate program right now that gets you lots of stuff.
I just bought another GI Widebody last week. Spent $450 New.
The Mil-Spec a month ago cost $398

Sergeant Sabre
April 7, 2006, 12:19 AM
Springfield GI or Mil-Spec model.

sithanas
April 7, 2006, 12:20 AM
Glock 21. 13 round mags standard, you can get +2 floorplates for 15+1 capacity.

XD45 looks good too.

30-06 lover
April 7, 2006, 12:32 AM
For the price...Glock 21 should be the ticket, but the grip size if quite large, so be sure to check it out before you buy one.

Personally, I would never get a pistol as my primary weapon for home defense. A shotgun is a much better defense weapon for the home IMO. I would buy an 870 for the home if defense is your only concern, but If you would like to go to the range and have fun shooting, go with the 45.

bluto
April 7, 2006, 12:36 AM
Check out Springfield MilSpec. I think its the best buy for the money out there. Comes with flared ejection port, decent sights. The new ones come with a spare set of cocobolo grips and a kydex holster. You can find them for about $550. All mine are nicely assembled, very accurate and reliable.

Black Majik
April 7, 2006, 01:22 AM
Top of the list would be the SA Milspec 1911, SA GI 1911, or SA XD. Either way, your money is going to Springfield Armory.

I love 1911s, so I try to suggest them whenever I can, but the XD45 sounds like a very strong contender.


Honorable mentions:
- Glock 21
- CZ 97B

Chuck123
April 7, 2006, 01:39 AM
Glock:

I several years ago I could only afford one handgun at the time so I must of spend over a year reading reviews, talking to policeman and seeing over and over were Glocks were get top awards and even one time I think in HandGuner magazine were Glocks got the top award for the past 10 years. I wanted a gun that I could count on for personnel defense with the highest ratings for reliability of any gun on the market and I could carry comfortably for 12 hours or more at a time. They do not weight a lot, so they do not fell as if you have been carrying a heavy brick all day, and some days I carry my Glock 23 for 12 hours or more. Glocks come in three sizes in almost every caliber, which is nice to be able to fit many people. Glock have a lot less parts that most guns. I bought the gun for self-defense and like a point and shoot gun. You train the right way and do not have to worry of the safety is on or not; three internal safeties on a Glock.

Also:

I had a Glock 26 for several years and now own a Glock 23. Only took me two days in the newspaper to sale my G-23 which I regret saling it now. I do carry concealed and for years tried to find out the best (for me) method of carrying a gun concealed, most natural draw and somewhat comfortable. I tried the shoulder holster, the outside the waist, the cheep off the shelf holsters, one plastic IWB and I do have the Galco holster. I have sold or given away most of those holsters and will be looking to sale the Galco holster if you read my meaning. You can look a rigrate.com for input and ratings of holsters also.

After going through all these different types of holsters; for concealed carry I totally recommend the line of Milt Sparks Holsters and for concealed the Milt Sparks Vera Max II. Cost around $100.00 to $125.00. No holster is God’s gift to mankind, but I can wear this holster for 12 hours and still feel comfortable. The Milt Sparks VM-II has received some of the highest ratings throughout the varies gun forums. It can be warn different ways.

A holster and a good gun belt is a must. I had a costume made gun-holster belt made for me in Scio, Oregon. The name of the company is A.E Nelson Leather Company www.nelsonleather.com. I had a piece of spring steel sewn into belt to make it so it will not turn or twist. The total cost of the belt was approximately $50.00 including shipping. In addition, I have never seen any other hand crafted; top quality belt offered for such a good price anywhere.

Chuck

MachIVshooter
April 7, 2006, 01:41 AM
If you are willing to go used, it is tough to beat the S&W 4506 and they can be had in the $450-$500 range. For new guns, there are a lot of options under $600. Glock 21 & 30, EAA Witness series, Baby Eagle, several basic 1911's (Springer GI & Mil-Spec, RIA, etc), Ruger P-series, XD, Taurus and so on. We might be able to help you narrow it if you specify action type and polymer vs. aluminum vs. steel for the frame.

Rangegod
April 7, 2006, 09:30 AM
For your stated use and price range my # 1 non-1911 recommendation would be a CZ-97B. OEM mags are dirt cheep, leather is available from several sources, new springs a click away at Wolffs and it is outstandingly accurate. It will do anything a Sig 220 will at 2/3 the cost and with a greater mag capacity. (BTW, for those who take exception to that claim, I also own three 220s.)

Now as to 1911s; as much as I love them (currently have 13) Im not going to open that can of worms.

JAC

Juna
April 7, 2006, 09:44 AM
I suggest either a CZ 97B or a Ruger P345. Both are outstanding guns. CZs are great handguns, and Rugers are rugged and reliable as can be. Ruger really improved their ergonomics with the 345, IMO.

sanjuro
April 7, 2006, 09:49 AM
for 45ACP, you cannot go wrong with Glock OR Springfield-Armory (1911 or XD flavor)

trickyasafox
April 7, 2006, 11:31 AM
i ordered a park mil spec, total cost is 597, my gun prices locally are a bit high, so hopefully you can do better

Just_a_dude_with_a_gun
April 7, 2006, 12:03 PM
A springfield GI/Milspec if you NEED a 1911, or a ruger P345 if you want a
slightly lighter DA-SA with a rail.

ARTiger
April 7, 2006, 12:16 PM
I have a Ruger P90 which although inexpensive is not cheaply made. Great gun IMO. Some folks thinks it's a bit largish, but I have catcher's mitts for hands and it feels just right to me. Currently drooling over an XD45 though. Everyone I know who has one loves it and I like the higher capacity.

If you want a 1911 style, the Springfields also are hard to beat in that price range.

Dave Markowitz
April 7, 2006, 12:42 PM
Ruger P-90, P-97, or P-345. Of the three the P-90 is my favorite, and is my primary HD gun.

By all accounts the CZ-97 is a fine piece, but it's LARGE. It may not work well for you if you have small hands.

cookekdjr
April 7, 2006, 02:05 PM
I would check, in order:

Glock 21
Glock 30
SIG p220
Springfield Mil-Spec.

I would also consider:
CZ-97B.

xMetal
April 7, 2006, 02:43 PM
Lately it seems like I'm the only person who knows about it, but the gun I just got is right on target for what you want, if 1911 style is your choice. Full size, brand new, very accurate, looks great.

Para Ordnance 1911 SSP (PX745E)

I'm loving mine, though they don't appear to be the "hot pick." I personally found the military-style sites to be worhtless on the cheap 1911's like the Springfield. 3-dot sites, for me, are a necessity. Maybe something to consider.

ACP
April 7, 2006, 03:13 PM
S&W 4586. I just got one LNIB from my local dealer for $390, tax included.

All stainless steel, mid-sized (same size as my Colt Combat Commander), double action only, dovetailed Novak sights front and rear, checkered frontstrap, 8+1 magazine capacity. I've run 100 rounds through mine (not a lot, I know) in the past 2 weeks and it is very accurate and completely reliable. I use a Safariland OWB paddle holster and a Safariland Nylok IWB holster; NIB factory mags. are $29.99 each at CDNNInvestments.com.

Oh, and the S&W warranty can't be beat.

varoadking
April 7, 2006, 03:19 PM
XD45ACP

http://www.springfield-armory.com/index.shtml

Tomcat1066
April 7, 2006, 03:21 PM
XD45ACP is darn hard to beat. It's my next purchase!

Tom

TOADMAN
April 7, 2006, 04:04 PM
Glock 30...

Mizzle187
April 7, 2006, 04:42 PM
I just bought a XD45 and it is worth every penny. I love this gun. It is very accurate as well.

MICHAEL T
April 8, 2006, 11:34 AM
I just bought a like new Combat Commander I would look at used pistols also. Lots of good deals out their. Most people don't shoot all that much.

marklbucla
April 8, 2006, 11:57 AM
The more you hang out on this forum, the more you're going to want a 1911. Save yourself the trouble of selling off whatever .45 you get now in trade for a 1911. Just buy the 1911 first and save yourself the hassle.

Check out Rock Island Armory ~$300
or the Springfield Mil-Specs like others have said - $400-475

kmrcstintn
April 8, 2006, 09:01 PM
I found it!!! Here's the stats...I went by Gander Mountain to put some $$$ on the shotgun combo that I am buying back and I was scanning the cases and BAM! ;)

Very lightly used Glock 21 (gen 3 frame); factory night sights; 2-10 round mags; box; paperwork for a mere $459.99. Some guy had her for a while as a CCW and traded her on a new Springer XD-45 for the better ergonomics. There is virtually no tenifer black removed from the barrel...guess about 250 rounds...just broken in. The only major training area will be getting used to the grip angle since I am used to the "Browning" grip angle.

She's only $20 more than a NIB Ruger P345PR stainless. She's on hold so I can ponder this carefully since money is tight...I hope I can swing enough to get her on layaway! :scrutiny:

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