Teacher roughed up by Homeland Security officers


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Manedwolf
April 8, 2006, 07:18 AM
So, how much MORE do they need to become like the SS before people start rebelling?

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(Jacksonville, Florida)

Thu Apr 6, 5:29 PM ET

A local school employee said a rough run-in with a couple of Homeland Security officers has left him with a strong sense of insecurity.

Leander Pickett, a teacher's assistant at Englewood Elementary, said he was manhandled and handcuffed by two plain clothed Homeland Security officers in front of the school Tuesday for no reason at all.

"I would like to treat people the way I would want to be treated, and yesterday I wasn't treated that way," Pickett said.

Pickett has been working at Englewood for two years, and his principal and colleagues told Channel 4 they have never met a harder worker or nicer guy.

"He's well loved by everyone because he's willing to do anything to help children," said the Englewood Elementary Principal Gail Brinson.

However, Tuesday afternoon Pickett's niceness turned to anger, disappointment, and betrayal when, as Pickett was directing bus traffic, he said he was handcuffed and roughed up and humiliated by the very people that were supposed to protect him.

"I walked up to him and said, 'Sir, you need to move.' That's when he said 'I'm a police officer. I'm with Homeland Security ... I'll move it when I want to.' That's when he started grabbing me on my arm," Pickett said.

However, Homeland Security tells a different story.

The department said the only reason the officers were at the school was because they pulled over to look at a map.

The department also said it's looking into what happened, and that Pickett's version is wrong. It claims he was antagonizing the officers.

Several people were outside of the school, watching the incident take place, and those witnesses agree with Pickett's story.

"Mr. Pickett asked the guy blocking the bus loading zone to move, and the guy told him he would move his car when he got ready to move it," said Englewood coach Alton Jackson.

"At that point I intervened and I went up to the gentleman and said, 'Mr. Pickett is an employee here,' and they said that didn't matter," said Englewood media specialist, Terri Dreisonstok.

"'We're with Homeland Security,' and on and on they went, and pretty soon, before you know it, he's handcuffed and slammed against a car," Brinson said. "All the children are watching, they're all upset."

After about 30 minutes, the men released Pickett.

"The part that really upsets me is all these students were watching, and that and it isn't good," Jackson said.

Pickett said he plans to sue.

"You now you hear these stories everyday and say, 'This will never happen to me,' but yesterday it happened to me," Pickett said.

"If this is Homeland Security, I think we ought to be a little afraid," Brinson said.

The central office of Homeland Security contacted Channel 4 about the incident and stated that it considers all allegations seriously and the matter has been referred to a neutral investigative entity.

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Kodiaz
April 8, 2006, 07:35 AM
Great Homeland Security. Another F-troop wonderful.

DunedinDragon
April 8, 2006, 07:46 AM
Hopefully this person, or any person here, that experiences such a thing will file appropriately through the FBI at the following site:

http://miami.fbi.gov/color_of_law.htm

Crosshair
April 8, 2006, 07:46 AM
I thought Super Troopers was only a movie?:fire:

spartacus2002
April 8, 2006, 08:40 AM
http://www.linke-t-shirts.de/images/buchcover/DLF61071.jpg

hksw
April 8, 2006, 09:31 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=38148&d=1144503076

Lupinus
April 8, 2006, 10:31 AM
and the sad part is if he fought back, he'd be sitting in a jail cell right now.

El Tejon
April 8, 2006, 10:37 AM
My favorite part of the story is how the DHS is "looking into it" but yet already they have ascertained (no doubt by use of The Force which is part of their Jedi training) that the teacher is wrong.:evil: :D

Just another day fighting the government.:banghead:

TheEgg
April 8, 2006, 10:59 AM
'I'm a police officer. I'm with Homeland Security ... I'll move it when I want to.'

Does anything else need to be said?:barf:

And what 'neutral investigative agency' is doing the investigation?

BATFE?
TSA?
FBI?

Some other bastion of truth and integrity?

Hmmmmmmm?

Snagglepuss
April 8, 2006, 11:04 AM
The price we pay for freedom?? :barf:

scottgun
April 8, 2006, 11:06 AM
Homeland Security was probably just scoping out some young girls. :barf:

Sindawe
April 8, 2006, 11:11 AM
Just another straw on the camels back. Don't worry though, the old girl is well broken to her harness. She'll complain a bit, but no real fuss will ensue.

Otherguy Overby
April 8, 2006, 11:38 AM
Sindawe:
Just another straw on the camels back. Don't worry though, the old girl is well broken to her harness. She'll complain a bit, but no real fuss will ensue.

I'm afraid you are right.

Now, just seen on Packing:
230rn:

Posted Apr 8, 2006 @ 10:16 am EDT

Auf Deutsch, bitte?
Eine kleine Lektion auf Duetsch
(A little lesson in German)

"State Security Police" = Geheimstatspolizei

Geheim = "Security"

Stats = "State"

Polizei = "Police"

OR

GEheimSTAtsPOlizei = GESTAPO

Are we there yet?

beerslurpy
April 8, 2006, 12:11 PM
What freedom are they supposedly protecting? I wasnt aware we had any left.

I for one am glad we have men protecting the Fatherland, and welcome our new authority-abusing overlords.

Sistema1927
April 8, 2006, 01:02 PM
So, they couldn't have moved thier car out of the bus lane and then looked at their map?

Just another bunch of JBTs who believe that their badge allows them to abuse the very people for whom they work.

Sam
April 8, 2006, 02:18 PM
Didn't know that "Homeland Security" had any troops of their own.
What fine agency did these critters really work for?


In answer to Manedwolf's question, whole lot worse. Most of them sheeps is just now getting to like KoolAid. Last time the nation dealt with folks like that, less than 5% had anything at all to do with it and only about 35% supported it.

Sam

antarti
April 8, 2006, 05:33 PM
But one better watch what he says about the government on an internet message board these days.

I think the teacher who was handcuffed said it just fine, although some of the posts here are both more entertaining and poignant.


"All the children are watching, they're all upset."

Good, it's about time they had a civics lesson too. They actually learned something useful about government while "in school". Must be the first time in 30 years that's hapened.

Autolycus
April 8, 2006, 08:22 PM
The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is
able to think things out...without regard to the prevailing
superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the
conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest,
insane, intolerable.
--H. L. Mencken

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Once a government is committed to the principle of
silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go,
and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures,
until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and
creates a country where everyone lives in fear
--Harry S. Truman

==========================================================

If you are a terror to many, then beware of many.
--Ausonius

Molon Labe
April 8, 2006, 08:28 PM
One day they're going to pick on the wrong guy.

Turkey Creek
April 8, 2006, 08:48 PM
Simple answer to the identification process- Homeland Security Forces should all be issued brown shirts to wear- Then we will know not to question them even if one decides to pat your wife or daughter on the derrier in the guise of a frisk- It's always been the same in any country when "little" people gain some governmental authority; they turn into thugs- As far as mincing your words for fear that the thought police may be watching, if they don't already have you down on their list then they're not doing their job- I've said it before about other topics and I'll say it again here- It's getting close, Lock and Load!-

NeverAgain26
April 8, 2006, 08:50 PM
Sue the morons. Enough of this Attitudinal B.S. from a bunch of low-life hacks :barf:

Maybe if everyone who gets treated in this shabby manner sues and it finally costs them enough money, the Gov't will do something about it.

Saul Levy

feedthehogs
April 8, 2006, 09:12 PM
the matter has been referred to a neutral investigative entity

Until that entity is a review board made up of everyday citizens, it will be white washed and thrown out.

When was the last time any government agency admitted to abusing the power granted to them by us?

finally costs them enough money, the Gov't will do something about it.


I don't want to see them get sued. Why?

Because they will pay off the guy with my hard earned money that is extorted from me each year.

ColoradoKid
April 8, 2006, 09:15 PM
Have we heard both sides of the huge news item.....??? maybe Mr. Pickett questioned the ethnic background of one of these agents...!!!!

wheelgunslinger
April 8, 2006, 09:28 PM
"The part that really upsets me is all these students were watching, and that and it isn't good," Jackson said.
Yes, it is good. People need to be outraged in order to catalyze change. There will be no outrage until the abuse strikes america square in the suburbs.
Pickett said he plans to sue.

"You now you hear these stories everyday and say, 'This will never happen to me,' but yesterday it happened to me," Pickett said.

"If this is Homeland Security, I think we ought to be a little afraid," Brinson said.


Excellent.

DevLcL
April 8, 2006, 09:34 PM
230rn:

Posted Apr 8, 2006 @ 10:16 am EDT

Auf Deutsch, bitte?
Eine kleine Lektion auf Duetsch
(A little lesson in German)

"State Security Police" = Geheimstatspolizei

Geheim = "Security"

Stats = "State"

Polizei = "Police"

OR

GEheimSTAtsPOlizei = GESTAPO

I think it's a little extreme to compare any American government agency with the GESTAPO's of Germany in the early 40's. If this scenario played out in 1940something Germany, the man would have been shot and the "media" teacher would have been taken away for torture. Then shot. It's quite different to be harrassed a little then to be killed, or worse. That's all I'm saying.

-Dev

Manedwolf
April 8, 2006, 10:22 PM
I think it's a little extreme to compare any American government agency with the GESTAPO's of Germany in the early 40's. If this scenario played out in 1940something Germany, the man would have been shot and the "media" teacher would have been taken away for torture. Then shot. It's quite different to be harrassed a little then to be killed, or worse. That's all I'm saying.

Well, the UK is one step ahead of us in this. And their troopers executed an innocent Brazilian electrician in the subway for apparently wearing a jacket.

Do we have to get to that point that some innocent American gets executed by overzealous, incompetent "homeland security" officers before we declare it's gone too far?

If so, please volunteer to explain to the victim's next of kin.

TallPine
April 8, 2006, 10:49 PM
Do we have to get to that point that some innocent American gets executed by overzealous, incompetent "homeland security" officers before we declare it's gone too far?

It's already happened ... remember the guy who got shot by air marshalls just because he wanted to get off the plane ...? :uhoh:

tellner
April 8, 2006, 11:26 PM
At the risk of a Godwin's Law violation, I wouldn't compare these guys to the Gestapo. For the most part the Gestapo were skilled professionals who did things by the book. It might have been a nasty book bound in human skin, but they followed it.

No, I think The Department of Homeland Security translates more correctly as the Committee for State (or National) Security - KGB in Russian.

orangeninja
April 9, 2006, 02:54 AM
Tin foil hats for sale...right here. Get your tin foil hat....It slices, it dices, it blocks all government scans...act now and you will get a little tin-foil badge to counter any JBT's who give you trouble and otherwise infringe upon your God given right to exist....

All this for only $6.66

But wait, there's more, free as your gift is a U.N. scanner, just hook this baby up to your television while on a channel of "white noise", drink one six pack of beer at 3AM and listen to the secret government codes coming over the airwaves.:evil:

Autolycus
April 9, 2006, 04:39 AM
:D to the post above.


The truth is that it is upsetting to see a trend of LEOs getting away with crimes. We have a DHS manager who is a pedophile, we have Air Marshals running drugs, LEOs in IL making machine guns, cops in CA shooting Airmen, LEOs breaking into the wrong house in MS, SWAT teams shootin Dr.'s in VA over gambling charges, and then we get to watch the courts let these people off. (Save the Air Marhsals and Pedophile; the pedophile is yet to be determined). The sad facts are the majority of Americans are allowing this kind of behavior to happen. And someone needs to speak up and be heard. We all need to. Its only going to get worse because we allow it to get worse.

gunsmith
April 9, 2006, 06:06 AM
I've met my fair share in NY City, and I'm very greatfull for it because they could have nailed me for possession with intent to sell.
Instead they made me dump my joints in the sewer:cool:
One cop took half of my 20 joints and let me keep the rest!
Told me to be more carefull:cool: another cop said "this smells pretty good"
and said he would let me go if I smoked it with him.

feeling and acting like you got more rights then civvies is a far cry from the third reich

I have met some hmeland security officers and they sorta seemed like security officers who lucked into a cushy gov't job...I was to busy to ask how they got hired...anyone know?
if you get LE rciprocity and good bennys I might try to get on.

Tim Burke
April 9, 2006, 07:31 AM
Y'all are kind of harsh on the Homeland Security guys. Maybe they were just looking for a date...:evil:

Erebus
April 9, 2006, 07:46 AM
It's already happened ... remember the guy who got shot by air marshalls just because he wanted to get off the plane ...?

DIdn't this guy spout off about a bomb and then reach into a bag when he was told to drop it?

Manedwolf
April 9, 2006, 09:24 AM
It's already happened ... remember the guy who got shot by air marshalls just because he wanted to get off the plane ...?

Well...that one, based on the final reports, seemed more like it was a "they HAD to" shoot. If he yelled something about "bomb", and instead of dropping his backpack, reached into it, they had to shoot. It was that or chance an airplane full of people and all the ones parked nearby, fuel trucks, terminal, etc...turning into a fireball.

The UK electrician, though, no, that was idiocy. They also already had him down, but shot him in the head at close range. It was more "execution" than "stop threat".

TallPine
April 9, 2006, 11:27 AM
DIdn't this guy spout off about a bomb and then reach into a bag when he was told to drop it?

That's the story of the two thugs that murdered him, but the other passengers heard no such thing :rolleyes:


But just keep making tin foil jokes and refuse to believe that the govt could ever do anything worng :barf:

TheEgg
April 9, 2006, 12:39 PM
maybe Mr. Pickett questioned the ethnic background of one of these agents...!!!!

Does not matter. If the "officers" were professionals, such a comment would not have triggered their ire. They would know better than to rise to the bait.

thumper723
April 9, 2006, 12:58 PM
The sad part, is that this is getting practically NO local media coverage. Three days after the fact, this is the first I hear of it and I live 5 miles away! :fire: :fire: :banghead:

c_yeager
April 9, 2006, 01:18 PM
"The part that really upsets me is all these students were watching, and that and it isn't good," Jackson said.

These kids are lucky. They learned a valuable lesson that usually comes much later in life, and they learned it in a less painfull way than most. They learned that people with badges arent necessarily on your side, and dont think for a moment that they will forget it.

The only way this would be a sad thing is if the lesson were erroneous, but it isnt. Its like getting the chicken pox, better it happens at a young age.

Nightfall
April 9, 2006, 02:14 PM
I have to admit, I continue to have problems with this concept of officials having to trample freedom in order to protect it... :barf:

carlrodd
April 9, 2006, 02:33 PM
i find it interesting that one of the other teachers thought that the most upsetting part of the whole ordeal was that the children had to see it. i would have thought that the most upsetting thing about the whole ordeal would have been that an innocent man was assaulted by government law enforcement agents. i'm glad the kids saw it...maybe it will engender some distrust of the government.

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