[Partisan Ranger]

I'm pretty new to this board - came over here from the wonderful Lucianne.com at the recommendation of Standing Wolf.

I have a CCW in the great state of Virginia but I haven't purchased a handgun yet. I have come mighty close at a couple of gunshows and was at Old Dominion Sports in Winchester on Saturday, drooling over a Kimber.

We just bought our first house and there is always 100 things we need for the house that pretty much outrank a gun, at least in my wife's mind.

So the question is: What excuses/justifications have you used to purchase a firearm? And how well did they work? Did your wife go out and buy a couch in response? Thanks.

Partisan Ranger

[Soap]

I normally say, "Honey I'm going to buy ____." She says, "Okay!" Honesty is the best policy in my household. And if she says, "Honey, I'm going to buy ____." And I normally say, "Okay!"

Early on we realized that we are both very rational consumers; I don't give her unreasonable requests, nor does she give me unreasonable requests. Once you figure out what is reasonable/unreasonable...and agree on it, making any sort of purchase is no problem.

Welcome to the board BTW!

[Sheslinger]

"Honey, I really like this rifle. Can I have it?"

"But, sweetie, I thought the next one was mine..."

Welcome!!!

Sheslinger

[cslinger]

Oh I'm sure the excuses will come to you naturally at some point.

Right now I would just say buying a house gun is right up there with buying a house fire extinquisher or two. Doesn't have to be a high dollar model but something that serves both as a house gun and carry gun would be appropriate to start out and would be downright economical because you are trying to kill two birds with one stone. How about we fit you for a nice SIG 228 or 229. Not too big, not too small and will work for both situations.

The first gun should be easy......the twenty-first is where you really need to work on your justifications and excuses, because it is just to protect you or it's in case the other one breaks just doesn't cut the mustard anymore and Sheslinger is much too smart to buy the possibility of mutant ninja grizzly bears from the nuclear power plant scenario.

Chris

EDIT: Wow, Jules you beat me to the punch. You must have been typing at the same time I was.

[Sven]

Partisan Ranger:

I first saw Standing Wolf on Lucianne back when he was calling for us to nuke the terrorist savages.... when I saw a Standing Wolf on another forum (this forum), I knew it had to be the same guy.

It was.

I just had a long thread about some friction with my girlfriend over buying a rifle. In the end, we settled on a 'gun tax' of 10%... every $1000 I spent, she gets $100 in shopping money. It's a fair deal, from where I sit. ;)

Then again, we aren't married.

[Mute]

You should try to be reasonable but remember one very important thing. It's easier to ask for forgviness than permission. :D

[Partisan Ranger]

"Right now I would just say buying a house gun is right up there with buying a house fire extinquisher or two. "

Oh, my wife has that angle covered. That's when she trots out the, 'Well, we should just buy a home security system then.'

Believe me, I'm the last guy who is going to pick up the phone when I hear the tinkle of glass at 2 am. Oh, Mr. Security guy, please come save us, boo-hoo. Right....in that TV commercial, I keep waiiting for the husband to pull out a .45 out of the nightstand and blast the intruder to hell...

BTW, the Sig 228/229, are they similar to a Glock? I've thought about a Glock for carry, but the idea of having a gun locked and loaded in my waistband with no external safety makes me a bit nervous. A seller at a gunshow told me about a now-ex-cop who blew his *** off literally with a Glock.

Thanks for the ideas! Honesty, maybe I have to try that....

[Kharn]

Dont forget the words "Sale", "50% off" (MSRP prices are way, way high, especially if you are buying used), "Never going to see this price ever again" and "Here's some shiney metal and fancy rocks, please dont shoot me with my own (recently purchased) gun."

Kharn

[dairycreek]

Early on in our marriage we sat down and made lists of things we each wanted (or had) to have. We agreed that we would work down each list one item at a time with the lists alternating. Thus once we had purchased number one on her list we would cross it off and then move to number one on my list, etc. There were some things we could agree on immediately such as the need for a kitchen stove before a rifle. It worked well as it assured that each of us got our "turn" and got the "stuff" we wanted. We've been married 42 years now and, at the beginning, it really did the trick. As we got older and as money became less of a problem we just decided to get what we wanted when we wanted it. But in the beginning the lists did the trick. FWIW. Good shooting;)

[pax]

I have never had to explain a gun purchase to my wife. That's because I have a husband, not a wife. ;)

Oh, my wife has that angle covered. That's when she trots out the, 'Well, we should just buy a home security system then.'
Okay, from that point, don't argue.

Simply ask questions: "If we get a home security system, what would we do when the alarm goes off?" (Call the security company, call the police, etc)

"What would we do while we are waiting for the (security company/police) to get here?"

Don't answer the question for her. Let her think about it, answer it however feebly, and mull it over. Let her stew on it for a couple of days.

When the subject comes up again, ask again. If you know the standard 911 response time in your community, tell it to her while asking the question: "911 response takes about 8 minutes. What will we do during those 8 minutes?" Then shut up and let her talk and think for another couple days. Do not argue and do not get sucked into justifying your answer. Make her justify her answer -- to herself, not to you.

When the subject comes up again, ask again. If you know of any Dial-911-and-die type horror stories, mention them when you ask the question. "Did you see that news article about the woman who was on the phone with 911 when the guy stabbed her to death? What should she have done while she waited for the police to get there?" Then shut up. Don't argue with her. Don't get drawn into a long conversation. Just let her think about it.

When the subject comes up again, ask again. If she's starting to get the idea, tell her that you would like to buy a gun because you would like to have some way to protect yourself until the police get there. If not, shut up and let her talk for awhile, then go back to step one.

Keep hammering that one question. Keep it a question and keep forcing the choices back on her.

pax

Free advice is generally worth what you pay for it.

[spacemanspiff]

partisan, you could also watch the movie "panic room" with your wife (if you havent seen it already that is) and then ask her if protection of the home is a valid concern.
if the answer is in the affirmative, then you do some research and realize home defense requires a good shotgun. but since a shotgun isnt concealable and your CCW likely doesnt allow for a longgun, then you do some more research with your wife and discover you need a handgun of an adequate caliber for self defense, and also find something your wife can comfortably carry for her protection.

btw, the kimber tle ii, verrrry nice. and elliot smallarms in FL has a good price. I just paid $699 (after shipping and ffl transfer was still under $750) from them, (504)833-3140, ask for David. they likely have decent prices on other Kimber models as well.

[cslinger]

Hey a security system is a great tool to let you know if somebody has broken in, the problem is what if they decide not to leave, then what do you do.

I have smoke detectors in my house, does that mean I shouldn't have fire extinguishers?

Take the following for what it is worth because I am one of the boards resident SIG-O-HOLICS.

For defensive purposes I like guns that are point and click. No external safeties, no smart guns, no locks etc. I also like having the ability to second strike the bullet if for some reason it doesn't go bang the first time.

Glocks are great guns but I don't like how light the trigger is. Not a bash just a personal preference. I think they require a little more training and a little more care in their use.

SIGs have quite a few things that I like.
They are extremely accurate.
They are the most reliable semi-autos I have ever used.
They have a decocker so I can carry in double action.
The first trigger pull is heavy enough to alleviate my fears of too light a trigger.
Although heavy they have smooth triggers by in large.
They hold their value reasonbly well.
They fit me well. I like the control layout.
Easiest Semi-Auto to field strip and clean IMO.
Safest semi-auto to field strip and clean as the slide must be locked back to break down.

Now the downsides are.
Price
Long trigger reset so they cannot be shot quite as fast as say a Glock or Walther P99
Tend to have a higher bore axis so getting back on target fast is tough for some people.

Basically if I were looking for a good all around home defense/carry gun I would go either SIG 228 in 9mm, SIG 229 in .40 or .357 SIG or a nice Double Action .357 revolver with say a 4 inch barrel, Ruger, Smith etc.

Both guns are reliable to a fault, easy to use as they are simply of the pull the trigger gun go bang variety, safe as both have heavy first shot or all shots trigger pulls, accurate, easy to clean and maintain.

Remember I am a SIG guy so take what I have to say with a grain of salt. Any of the following companies also produce superior products and runt he price spectrum from very inexpensive to second mortgage.

HK Bring your checkbook and two forms of ID
Smith and Wesson (Don't like the semi's because of magazine disconnect "FEATURE"
Ruger very good gun for the money.
CZ probably a better gun for the money.
Walther, get the ones with the German proof marks.
Glock
Kimber I am not a 1911 for carry kind of guy but some good stuff here.
Sprinfield The XD is a fine little pistol and out Glocks Glock in IMO.
and so on.

Just do a little research and make sure you are buying from a reputable company and you are comfortable with the manual of arms and you will be fine.

Just because the finest combat handguns in the world are made by SIG, don't feel bad for buying one of the inferior guns I have listed above.:rolleyes:

Chris:D

[jade]

get a gun and a dog. you could get something good but cheap like a CZ. i still think dogs are the best warning. if you lose power, your alarm system won't work, but your dog will. so will your gun.

jade

[4 eyed six shooter]

Teach your wife to shoot and buy her a gun. I now buy my guns, and she buys hers. We both shoot each others guns so it works out great. We have more guns than if I was the only one buying them. It works and is fun to have the wife go shooting with you. There is also the peace of mind knowing that the wife has a CCW and can defend herself if necessary.
Best to all, John K

[Bowlcut]

If its going to be a house type gun, by all means if you can get her involved. After you do a little scouting at the stores, take her with you. Let her fondle the guns as much as you already have. If its truely going to be for the both of you, let her also make a decison.

As with everyone above its about keeping your butt out of trouble till the calvary show up. That should be your main point in the discussion with her. That it isnt a ends all type thing, its a stop gap till friendly's show up to help you.

But you really should let her be part of the decision. Get a few in mind then let her hold them as well. Something like a double stacked .45 mag'd pistola might not fit her hands. I would recomend soemthing like a Walther p99. Its plenty small enough with the interchangable backstraps that a woman can easialy wield it. Plust the no external safety is good for defence and you dont have to walk around with the hammer cocked. Make sure it has the eagle over N mark on every part of it tho. Sigs are fine arms as well, just they might be a tad large if your wife is a small framed lady

[AndABeer]

shoes

[LiquidTension]

"Honey, an alarm system is a good idea, but it's not a magical force field. It doesn't KEEP ANYONE OUT, it just lets us know that someone is here, probably with the intention of doing us harm."

"Which is faster honey, police response time or front sight...squeeze."

Also remind her that the police do not usually show up before a crime - they just show up to document the occasion.

I know it's a little different with a wife, but a past girlfriend made me use the "I don't feel the need to justify the use of MY money to YOU" speech when she wouldn't listen to reason :rolleyes:

Like Dalton says in Roadhouse: "Be nice. Until it's time to not be nice." Or something to that effect, anyway.

[.45Ruger]

Try telling your wife that this is really something you think you need to protect her and that new house. If you can try to pick up some overtime or do od jobs for money so that the expense of the gun doesn't come out of the budget.

[Selfdfenz]

"I just had a long thread about some friction with my girlfriend over buying a rifle. In the end, we settled on a 'gun tax' of 10%... every $1000 I spent, she gets $100 in shopping money. It's a fair deal, from where I sit.

Then again, we aren't married."

Sven, Sven, Sven.

Oh well, at least you now have the option to haul out the famous "jewlery tax".

Partisan Ranger

#1
You have asked the question that tries (married) men's souls. The right answer is not deemed such by the fact that it gets you this pistol on this occassion, but rather, the right answer is the one that allows you to enter the plain of unrepentant gun purchases for a life time.

#2
Verily, the only thing that drives a normal wife more crazy than seeing Acme Sporting Goods and House O'Guns in your check register is seeing their husband sitting still.

S-:p :p

....bought a house you say .....she has #2 covered forever, and ever and .....

[BlkHawk73]

First of all, Thanx for this thread. I just bought a P7M8 and have yet to make it known to the wife. I do like the "shoes" idea. With my last purchase, it wasn't too bad ($250) but for her to find out about this one ($1100) would be suicide on my part. I'm following this thread for my own benifit now!:p

[AnklePocket]

My wife has no problem with guns - just in the reckless spending of money. She's very good with the finances and I've learned from her example, but if there's a gun that I've got to have then it'll happen. I tell her that I'm just trading mine in for another that I'd rather have. Sometimes I do just that and sometimes I don't. Other than that I do exactly as I'm told.

[CAP]

Simply tell her self defense and preservation are required and buy the gun you can most afford now. Tell her after the buy if you have to depending on the wife.
Or don't tell her. :neener:

Any time in a relationship 1 partner mandates something to the other, one party is backed in a corner unless both parties agree, usually beforehand. Surely you have an idea how she might feel.

So tell you are doing it. And ask her to go shooting.
Or tell her you have done it, and ask her to go shooting.
OR don't tell her. (probably not recommended in a healthy honest relationship. )

But if it is a priority to you and not to her, therein lies the rub.

Good luck.
Yes I am married... Happily I think.
And no, I don't tell her what I buy/bought but I have offered and do offer her to look anytime she would like. :D

[Ladybug]

I'm with Pax.... but generally speaking any "non-joint" purchases I make, we usually agree on him getting something and me getting something ("YOU can buy that stupid canoe, if I can get that awesome gun" sort of thing)... works pretty well for me!

[Partisan Ranger]

Thanks for the advice, everyone! I will take it all into consideration. I like the idea of 'trading' purchases ie. I spend $500 on something, then next time she gets to do the same (not that we can afford to do that on a monthly basis!).

Actually, I think I have it figured out, based upon that line of reasoning. She is going back to school for a year to get her Bachelor's in Respiratory Care at Shenandoah University. I (I mean, we) have to pay $200 for a downpayment on her tuition and almost $300 for an English class she has to take at the community college. $500 right there!

My wife is actually pro-gun as I am (I think I've had an influence on her politically - I'm a conservative firebrand). She just likes to use the 'let's get a security system' ruse to get me to spend more money on the house. She knows that 911 and a security system are useless when a criminal scumbag is breaking your door down.

I've told her that I want her to get a CCW sometime herself. She isn't opposed to the idea. I figure a little .38 snubbie would do her just fine. :)


Partisan Ranger

[Scott Evans]

Start a holster business.

Each time you add a new holster to your line you will need to acquire the handgun that it is intend for so as to insure the proper fit.

“I don’t want to Honey ... but I need it for work …” :D


Works for me. :neener:

[Tempest]

Partisan Ranger - I'm from the area too. Stephens City. As a matter of fact, I bought my Mauser at Old Dominion Sports. :)

Look - it's simple. I'm a woman. I commute 63 miles each way to work every day. I break down near Mt. Weather, and I have no cell signal to even call for help. What's to stop some "helpful" motorist (read: psychopath) from taking advantage of me? My Mauser, that's what.

Your wife may not be in the same boat as I am - I don't know. All I know is this: the gun is THE most effective tool of self-defense available today. Are you getting a fire extinguisher for your house in case there's a fire? I would hope so. You also need a gun in case there's a home invasion. Think it doesn't happen in this area? Pull up the Winchester Star and compare two cases:

1 - Angela Dodson, who shot her estranged husband a year ago after he broke into her house, cut the phone wires and tried to break down the bedroom door where she cowered with her children.

2 - Terry Presgraves, who was fatally stabbed by 15 year old Matthew Van Emburgh during a home invasion.

One had a gun. One didn't. Get it?

[RustyHammer]

"Resistance Is Futile. You Will Be Assimilated!" :D

[Tempest]

Forgot to suggest. Have her check out Armed Females of America and articles such as this one (http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/firingline/wastedlife.htm) and this one (http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/takingaim/wrongwithwomen.htm)

No, I'm not implying you're a wife beater, nor am I engaging in shameless self-promotion. (Well, OK, maybe a little on the last one, but not really :cool: ). Both articles address the issue: the system will not protect you, and anyone who tries to say it will is not your friend.

Good luck.

[Roadrunner]

This may work for you, it did for me. I stopped complaining about all the shoes, purses and clothes that "she just had to have." Another good excuse, I mean reason, for her purchases, "well they were on sale." I told her I had no problems with her purchases as long as she didn't have any problems about my firearm purchases. She's happy and I'm happy. Hope that helps.

[Partisan Ranger]

You mean my wife isn't the only one who says "I just had to have it" and "it was on sale so I save 25%'? I thought I was the only one.

And regarding the system not protecting you....I read at a pro-gun site about a court case that showed that the police do NOT have an obligation to protect the individual, only 'the public.'

Positively hair-raising.

[Tempest]

Ranger, that's correct. They do not have any legal obligation to protect you. Show her those Winchester Star articles. They just might sway her.

Where in Winchester are you?

[Partisan Ranger]

We live between Route 7 and Route 50, off Greenwood Rd.

I've noticed a lot of crime stories in the Star. I have a hard time believing crime can be worse in Winchester than close to DC. I figured the Star just doesn't have anything else to run.

But my wife commutes on 7 to Ashburn, and there ain't nothing out there if you break down. I would like her to get her CCW too. She COULD carry openly if she broke down, but I doubt she wants a revolver dangling from her hip....

[Tempest]

I don't think crime is as bad in our neck of the woods as it is near DC. It's just the opposite, actually - it happens so rarely here that when it does, the Star beats it to death until there's no other angle to cover. The two stories I mentioned were biggies just for that reason. The thing is that if it can happen here, it can happen anywhere! That's why it's always wise to have a gun.

I commute East on 7 as well - all the way to Tysons. Your wife would be very wise to get a CCW. It's no hassle at all, and it takes a few weeks at the most.

[fish2xs]

Partisan Ranger,

You have a huge advantage over me. My wife has been sucked into 'guns are bad' and other left wing crap.
Yours is pro-gun. My wife calls herself democrat, but when I push her on certain topics, she clearly thinks
more conservative (although not nearly as much as I). She has just gone with the nice messaging and feels
that if all guns were outlawed, nobody will get shot.

She's also a fiesty italian - So as the saying goes "I married Mrs Right. I just didn't know her first
name was Always".

When I told her I wanted a handgun, she flipped. We argued directly and indirectly for a week at least
(directly = our situation, indirectly = general pro vs. anti). But I had 2 things in my favor.

First, I already owned a shotgun. So when she "didn't want guns in the house because they were unsafe",
I had demonstrable proof to the contrary.

Second, I crammed - and I mean crammed - on every possible response to every possible objection she could
make. I prepared - before I told her what I wanted to do.

After our week-long blowout, I bought a sig226 in 9mm. I had told her what I wanted to do, but I never
told her about actually buying it. No need to rub her face in it. That was over 6 months ago. Since then
I have been to the range many times, alone and with friends. I assume she knows by now that when she
sees me walk out with the case that I must have bought the handgun by now.

Be upfront - but remember, to ask permission is to seek denial.

Lastly, be smart. Don't buy a gun if you need car repairs or if your credit cards aren't paid off. Do what
the URL says and always take the high road. Your mileage will vary.

-phil

[ed dixon]

Gunstore guy volunteered what he figured was a one-time-use "I won it in a raffle." Thought that was kind of humiliating but didn't hear the rest since I had to stop off and pick up some ribbon for the basket of cheer I'm expecting to "win."

Skoal! Ed

[Frohickey]

Excuse is when you have done the deed already.

Reason is when you are asking to do the deed.

And remember...

Its easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission. :D

Yes, I'm not married.

[Stickjockey]

Last time I bought a gun, the only excuse I had was "But honey you've been asking me for one of these for a year and a half!":D

[Sgt]

Ok, take it from someone who has had to do this for the last 24 years.....

GET RID OF THE WIFE ASAP!!!!

The sooner you get rid of her, the more guns you will be able to afford.....don't even get me started on the kids......:rolleyes:

I should never have gotten married...jeez, I could own a gun shop by now!!:banghead:

[SteelyDan]

Well, it's pretty simple. "Here's $574 for you honey, I just bought a new gun." Guns are very expensive in my household.

[Jmurman]

Top Excuses to Give the Wife Unit For Buying A Gun

I used somthing that was and is the truth in Maryland...the govt doesnt want me to have one and they making every effort to do just that.

Now, that being said, I also make damn sure that she getsa whatever she wants whenever I get whatever I want. When I bought my Kimber, We got for her some new Kitchen appliances (stove, fridge, dishwasher) I am setting up a reloading system, and she will get outdoor furniture and a sewing machine.

Makes things a little smoother.

[telewinz]

I think the right excuse has been hit upon, but you can use it one time. "Borrow" the biggest, ugliest, dirty, dog you can find, take it home and explain to your spouse that it's for home security and cheaper than a gun. You will have permission for your gun purchase in miliseconds.:D

[Tempest]

Telewinz, AWESOME!!! Just make sure the dog is incontinent and has mange and fleas! :D

[Edward429451]

Having had the defense angle sewed up for quite some time now, I cant use that. So now I find myself using the 'investment. angle. Honey, do you realize that this gun will be worth 5 grand easy when they outlaw them? She let me take out a personal loan to buy an M1A that way. But the last time I tried this angle she caught on and said, right, like you'd ever sell one. Which is right.

So Now I cant use that angle anymore but there is a light at the end of the tunnel. She dont like having a car with more than about 80K miles on it. When she says you dont need that gun, you've already got one that's similar, I say, yeah, and their building cars now that'll go 200K miles. Then we talk business, She gets a 10000 dollar car, I get a gun. Seems pretty fair, its only money. She's happy, keeps up with the jones's or whatever and I get guns that'll outlast any of the junk cars out there.

Its only money and she's happy. What a concept. Works for me. (She'd probably make me buy her a new car anyway). Lieing to your wife would be bad juju. It's only money.

Oh, one thing that worked once for me was:
Honey, I want that gun.
We cant afford it, we need to pay bills.
Honey, we'll never be able to afford it cause the bills never stop. If we just Took the money and bought it the bills'll still be there and will let us pay em next week.
Sounds stupid but it worked. The utilities didn't get shut off so we lived right through it. Bang!:neener:

[Partisan Ranger]

Regarding bills always being there...exactly. Especially with this, our first house (new and nice but still needs a lot of stuff) I could literally put off the first gun purchase until I'm too old to lift it.

I am just going to do it here in the next couple weeks. I still want to go to another gun store or two and see how the guns I'm considering (compact for carry Sig, Glock, Kahr .40 or 9 mm probably) feel in my hand. I'm a lefty, so that's another thing to consider.

I'll probably buy off gunsamerica, they seem to have the best prices I've seen. Gun shops always seem higher, even though I have to pay for shipping/transfer online.

[RustyHammer]

Tell here "it's either guns or sex" ... depending upon how long you been married, she may even buy the gun for you! :rolleyes:

Besides, you're not buying a gun .. you're "investing in precious metals"! :neener:

[TechBrute]

I just buy them without asking. "Honest honey, it's just been in the back of the safe."

Seriously, my wife just leaves me alone and rolls her eyes when I buy a new gun. She did get excited about my new AR-15, though. They are banned in CA, where we just came from, and she wanted to shoot it because she said it would make her feel naughty. :evil:

[RandyC]

Just bring it home.

"It's a gun? ... It's a GUN?? ... I'm sorry, baby, I thought I was getting a nozzle for the water hose." :uhoh:

[Partisan Ranger]

Guns or sex? And this will net me a gun....how? :D

[Blain]

Best Reason so far!!!!!!




Do you REALLY want our home to fall victum to the ravaging rouge biker gangs???

[Hot brass]

I go buy what I want and put it in the gun safe.
Oh that old thing, I have had it for a while.

Or I just say honey I want so and so gun, until she she says "GO AND GET IT":evil:

[MiniZ]

I don't have to make excuses:

a) My wife doesn't pay close enough attention to the gun collection to know one from the other, or what is new vs. old.

b) We keep our money separate, so as long as I pay my share of the bills, she has no idea what I spend the rest on.

[standingbear]

well,this works; "darling princess(try to look concerned),i have to order some parts to fix my gun,it needs several things to keep it shooting safly or it could blow up"be sure to include princess and the part at the end that puts in her mind that shooting it now is /could be dangerous.then just hop in the car and get the gun you want and also sweeten her up with a wonderful gift on the way home.when she notices that it doesnt look the same,mention casually that you had to sell it cause it was unrepairable and you got such a great deal on this one.caution,dont try it more than 2 times as they catch on quickly.after that,switch-n-found technique(it just appears in the cabinet one day..)or just outright go shopping and let her buy whatever she wishes then tell her you need to go shopping too.finally,just ask her if shed like to go shooting with you,take her,then go out to eat at her favorite place and itll sink in..shell be buying guns too(with your supervision of course..lol)tell her its an investment and someday our son will have something to enjoy and pass on to his children(if youre not trying the above)

[RustyHammer]

When all else fails, ..... LIE!

:neener:

[Liota]

When hubby brings a new one home, I look him square in the face and say, "Where's mine?" or "Did you buy two?" :D


Liota

[F=ma]

Rustyhammer said:
Tell her "it's either guns or sex"
Now we know where Rusty's handle comes from!

:D

[Edward429451]

Yep. Its kinda lacking in class to say you should lie, where youngsters could read it and build morals on it.:rolleyes:

"I learned its ok to lie on the High Road today":rolleyes:

[RustyHammer]

.... depends upon how you define "lie" .... Attributed to Bill Clinton

<Edward429451 --> before you get torqued again ... that's a joke too! Shesh ... no sense of humor. Lighten-up dude. MMSA :neener:

[JeepDriver]

When all else fails, ..... LIE!

Best advise so far!

My situtation is a little easier. I work Flat Rate, So when ever I bill over 80 hours in a pay check I take the extra money and put it in a seperate account. When the account has enough for what ever it is I want I go buy it.

Between guns, ammo and Jeep parts the account never has money left in it!

[Edward429451]

Too subtle. Kids take almost everything at face value. Probably part of the reason some kids are so wacked out today. Gun owner/HighRoad mores should be a slight cut above those flavor jokes for posterities sake.

No offense but no retraction.;)

[Mythdragon]

You are protecting your family. simple as that.

If someone wants in, they WILL get in. Alarms be damned.
I dont particularly want someone wandering about my house untill the cops decide to show up.

Also, I dont want them going to jail, getting all pissed off about "How I put them there" and coming back to see me when they get out.

I've got two rules.
You break in, you get shot untill you are dead. (two to the chest, one to the head)
If you didn't bring a weapon with you, the cops will find one next to your body.

I'm not one of those people who waits and hopes for someone to break in. I rather go my whole life without killing anyone. But I value my life over that of the crack-head who breaks in. As a matter of fact, I value my TV over the crack-head's life. Those things arn't cheap you know. (TVs. not crack-heads)

If safety is a concern, you can buy a quick unlock safe for under 200. It has 4 finger grooves that you can punch in your combo in compleate darkness, and do it quickly.

As far as guns, out of the 18 I own, I'd most trust my life to my Glock 19 (9mm). over 2500 rounds and not a single problem. (I even bought it used).

Of course a shotgun is always nice and simple.
Use 7 1/2 birdshot. Wont kill them, but will sure make them wish they where dead. Then follow up with a 3" slug. After that your wife gets new carpet!

[42]

Home security device you say? Ok I will be 3 hours and need a700 dollars.

... return. Wheres the kit, Here *clicl as chamber pushed in and shotgun chambers a round.* one for mty side of the bed one for yours.

[Factfind]

This is a flawed premise. We are the Kings of our castles..arent we??
Wait, I'll ask the wife if I'm right about this.

THUD

[give]

when the wife and i got our first place i told her,lets go for a ride,lol,ended up at a gun shop,she was not interested at first,but she then realized that home protection is top of the list,so we walked out with a F N police special,we looked at a lot of shot guns and that had to be the best ,not as long as normal shot guns,holds 5 easly,with out taking anything out,

[bikerdoc]

my first thought was to pass on this thread, then I thought I could Help. so I started typing and realized if you have to ask, convince etc then nothing I say will help so I ereased it all and my second thought is to go kiss my 55 y/o bride of many years and tell her I love her gun totin, rifleshooting self. I guess what I am saying son is if you all aint of the same mindset then things could get a little rough

[VHinch]

A 5 year old thread, really?

And the OP hasn't been online in a year, so I'd say the original question was answered to his satisfaction.

[CaptMac]

Offer to buy her a new vacum cleaner or a washing machine.

[Rokyudai]

Just get the purchase up to the closet with the biometric deadbolt before she sees it....err I mean if you have a closet with a biometric deadbolt. Not that I have one. HA....heck that's funny. I mean for those who NEEDED to hide something like a NIB Savage 30-06 with the fancy jeweled bolt, it would be good to have something like a closet with a biometric deadbolt. Not me though. I plan to survive my first year of married life.... ok nothing to see here, please drive through..... :uhoh:

[pyle]

My wife and I are completely open about money. We're quite frugal with our finances and things work well for us. Once when I was trying to talk her into letting me purchase a new gun my wife said - "I want matching funds to buy anything I want". Since I pay the bills, balance the budget, fill the IRA's, etc. - I found her reply to be quite clever. So anytime I want a new gun - it always costs me twice the purchase price (of the gun) as I have to allocate the same amount of money to her as I spend on the gun. This policy has many interesting effects:

1) I have to REALLY want any particular gun since I'll essentially be paying twice what it's worth.

2) Neither one of us feels bad about my gun purchase as both of us are making a purchase of equal value at the same time.

3) Our finances must be in good order for me to feel good about paying double for any gun.

Interestingly enough - this works really well for us so I like it. :p

[jmr40]

No excuses. Just buy gun and take it to a trusted friend. Have him bring it over later and thank me profusely for letting him "borrow" a gun and apologize for keeping it for so long.

Just kidding, I am responsible about my purchases and my wife could care less.

[jackmead]

They don't make ammo for that size gun anymore :evil:
I'm buying a black rifle to save a tree :D
I don't know how that oil stain got on the rug. :uhoh:

[SSN Vet]

wife : those darn squirells got into my bird feeder again.
hubby: well dear, a little .22 cal air rifle will do just the trick.

wife : the fox is back again, what if they go after my cat
hubby: well dear, I better get a .22 LR semi-auto

wife : I swear I saw a coyotee trotting down the drive way
Hubby: well dear, I'll need a .30-30 to take care of that.

I'm really really hoping for a Big Foot sighting in the very near future :rolleyes:

[Lew]

And the replies just keep coming........hilarious.

[blkbrd666]

The obvious, and it's right under everyone's nose. You MUST defend the shoe collection. Once you have the first line of shoe defense, you must get one for each room to be totally prepared. For example, let's say your sitting on the potty reading this month's American Rifleman and a shoe bandit breaks into the house...you NEED that magazine rack pistol. Or, you fall asleep on the couch and as you awake, the shoe bandit is dashing toward the bedroom...you NEED that couch cushion pistol. Or, you drive up from work and realize the shoe bandit is in the house...you NEED that car gun. Etc...

[springmom]

Thread necropsy is truly ick. Threads five years old really need to be left to moulder in the grave where they lay.

Springmom

[blkbrd666]

But...MOM!!! We weren't all here 5 years ago.